Jaguars Released Matt Jones *Merged*

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Holt runs much better routes.

Jones brings much more drama.

Who will Jerry pick?
 

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Despite your recent efforts to clean up your team, I see him as a perfect fit in Dallas. He covers one of your needs and he is from JJ's school, Arkansas.
 

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FootballFan86;2691605 said:
Despite your recent efforts to clean up your team, I see him as a perfect fit in Dallas. He covers one of your needs and he is from JJ's school, Arkansas.
I agree that on the field he would be a good fit. One thing when Jerry always gambled on guys with off field trouble is he always said that drugs was the one thing he would stay away from. I would guess that it partially due to the Quincy Carter fiasco. With the Arkansas connection he should know more than anyone about Matt Jones so who knows.
 

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speedkilz88;2691576 said:
Sorry there was a lot more information out there than that and its fact that Parcells wanted Spears with the first pick. Even on dallascowboys.com radio the guys on there were talking about taking Spears there and hoping Ware would be available with the second pick. Which would have never happened, Ware and Merriman would have been gone. Regardless, Matt Jones wasn't in their plans.

Again, you discuss all kinds of options in the draft room. You can say he "wanted" Spears but there is really no evidence of that - there is plenty to suggest they discussed the possibility. Anyone who has ever been in a serious decision making situation knows that discussions of alternatives are completely unproductive unless you have people arguing strongly for alternatives.

Of course, if I'm on cowboys.com radio, I'm doing whatever I can to keep it interesting because there were tons of reports Th and Friday of that week that we had settled on Ware if he was available
 

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AbeBeta;2691637 said:
Again, you discuss all kinds of options in the draft room. You can say he "wanted" Spears but there is really no evidence of that - there is plenty to suggest they discussed the possibility. Anyone who has ever been in a serious decision making situation knows that discussions of alternatives are completely unproductive unless you have people arguing strongly for alternatives.

Of course, if I'm on cowboys.com radio, I'm doing whatever I can to keep it interesting because there were tons of reports Th and Friday of that week that we had settled on Ware if he was available
There were plenty of reports after the draft that Jerry over-ruled Parcells to pick Ware over Spears.
 

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AbeBeta;2691637 said:
Again, you discuss all kinds of options in the draft room. You can say he "wanted" Spears but there is really no evidence of that - there is plenty to suggest they discussed the possibility. Anyone who has ever been in a serious decision making situation knows that discussions of alternatives are completely unproductive unless you have people arguing strongly for alternatives.

Of course, if I'm on cowboys.com radio, I'm doing whatever I can to keep it interesting because there were tons of reports Th and Friday of that week that we had settled on Ware if he was available

I remember Parcells talking on that particular draft weekend to reporters ... and he pretty much straight out said that he wanted Spears ... and that Jerry wanted to gamble by taking Ware first and hoping Spears would still be there.

... Parcells told the story in such a way as to give Jerry credit for making the right call. That's how it came off.

A reporter asked Parcells if he would have gambled the picks the way Jerry did, and Parcells flat out said no. Parcells seemed a bit stunned that the Cowboys actually got both of their guys.

(Of course Parcells can be an actor at times, but if so, that's the way he played it).
 

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speedkilz88;2691652 said:
There were plenty of reports after the draft that Jerry over-ruled Parcells to pick Ware over Spears.

Just as there were plenty before the draft that we'd settled on Ware.
 

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ZeroClub;2691672 said:
I remember Parcells talking on that particular draft weekend to reporters ... and he pretty much straight out said that he wanted Spears ... and that Jerry wanted to gamble by taking Ware first and hoping Spears would still be there.

... Parcells told the story in such a way as to give Jerry credit for making the right call. That's how it came off.

A reporter asked Parcells if he would have gambled the picks the way Jerry did, and Parcells flat out said no. Parcells seemed a bit stunned that the Cowboys actually got both of their guys.

(Of course Parcells can be an actor at times, but if so, that's the way he played it).

No one disputes that we wanted Ware/Merriman and Spears and had to decide what the best way to do it was. Of course, post draft comments are moronic b/c they are usually designed to make the draft look great and everyone look like a genius.

What BP said came on the heals of Jerry saying that if Spears wasn't there they would have taken Erasmus James. Do you really believe that we would have take James in that spot?
 

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AbeBeta;2691733 said:
No one disputes that we wanted Ware/Merriman and Spears and had to decide what the best way to do it was. Of course, post draft comments are moronic b/c they are usually designed to make the draft look great and everyone look like a genius.

What BP said came on the heals of Jerry saying that if Spears wasn't there they would have taken Erasmus James. Do you really believe that we would have take James in that spot?

I believed what Parcells said at the time. I have no way of proving that he wasn't lying, however.
 

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Immediately after we draft Ware Parcells compares him to Number 56. What more do you need to know?

Anything further is just sour grapes, and trying to sully his rep here.
 

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regarding Parcells and Spears/Ware, I don't think he was dead-set, and the immovable object many are portraying him to be

the reason he wanted Spears before Ware was because of the position, he was trying to assemble a front 3, which is very important in his version of the 3-4, Spears' position was more premium to him
 

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JerryAdvocate;2691798 said:
regarding Parcells and Spears/Ware, I don't think he was dead-set, and the immovable object many are portraying him to be

the reason he wanted Spears before Ware was because of the position, he was trying to assemble a front 3, which is very important in his version of the 3-4, Spears' position was more premium to him

Yup, that's how I remember Parcells presenting it.
 

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JerryAdvocate;2691798 said:
regarding Parcells and Spears/Ware, I don't think he was dead-set, and the immovable object many are portraying him to be

the reason he wanted Spears before Ware was because of the position, he was trying to assemble a front 3, which is very important in his version of the 3-4, Spears' position was more premium to him

and if that was his rationale, he really was senile

the most important position on any defense, especially a 3-4 is having an outside pass rusher

he apparently believed someone would grab Spears before our next pick and thought Ware would still be available...he was wrong on both accounts
 

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dbair1967;2691810 said:
and if that was his rationale, he really was senile

the most important position on any defense, especially a 3-4 is having an outside pass rusher

he apparently believed someone would grab Spears before our next pick and thought Ware would still be available...he was wrong on both accounts

no, senility is believing Spears is worth being taken ahead of Ware because he's the, "better prospect"

btw, Parcells' 3-4 is 2-gap where the front 3 clear the lanes for the OLBs
 

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DaBoys4Life;2691269 said:
I'd still take him over Austin he's actually produce in the NFL unlike Miles crapstin.

Miles Austin caught 3 TDs last year to Matt Jones' 2 TDs. Austin certainly wasn't the #1 or #2 receiving threat in the offense. Austin wasn't even #3 or #4 on the list while Matt Jones was probably the second or third receiving option on the Jags. Much fewer opportunities yet Austin produced more TDs.

Jones has shown some improvement and caught a lot of passes last year with 65 receptions. Where is the big play he was supposed to bring? He was hyped as that rare combination of large size and speed that would produce big plays. His career 13.0 yards per reception says differently. Last season he averaged 11.7 yards per reception with a long of only 35 yards. His career long is 49 yards. Patrick Crayton has a few plays over 50 yards long. Miles Austin had two in one game last year. Even Sam Hurd has a play longer than 50 yards.
 

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joseephuss;2691816 said:
Miles Austin caught 3 TDs last year to Matt Jones' 2 TDs. Austin certainly wasn't the #1 or #2 receiving threat in the offense. Austin wasn't even #3 or #4 on the list while Matt Jones was probably the second or third receiving option on the Jags. Much fewer opportunities yet Austin produced more TDs.

Jones has shown some improvement and caught a lot of passes last year with 65 receptions. Where is the big play he was supposed to bring? He was hyped as that rare combination of large size and speed that would produce big plays. His career 13.0 yards per reception says differently. Last season he averaged 11.7 yards per reception with a long of only 35 yards. His career long is 49 yards. Patrick Crayton has a few plays over 50 yards long. Miles Austin had two in one game last year. Even Sam Hurd has a play longer than 50 yards.

I think Jones had the physical tools to do some special things in the NFL but I also think he allowed drugs to get in the way. It's unfortunate but it happens. I have a good feeling about Austin. I believe this will be his breakout year. I want Austin to be the #2 WR, assuming he is ready of course. I think Austin might be a WR that can change things for our offense. I'm telling you, every time Austin was in the game, it just seemed like Romo was more comfortable. He made plays and Romo found him.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2691852 said:
I think Jones had the physical tools to do some special things in the NFL but I also think he allowed drugs to get in the way. It's unfortunate but it happens. I have a good feeling about Austin. I believe this will be his breakout year. I want Austin to be the #2 WR, assuming he is ready of course. I think Austin might be a WR that can change things for our offense. I'm telling you, every time Austin was in the game, it just seemed like Romo was more comfortable. He made plays and Romo found him.

I don't think Jones has the mental tools for the game. I thought that while he was playing QB at Arkansas. He just seemed like a dumb player. Still does. I also think his physical tools just aren't good enough to compensate with everything else he brings to the table. If they were then he would be averaging over 13 yards per reception. Alvin Harper only brought physical talent to the field and he had a high average yards per catch.
 
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