Jamaal Charles

[Maxmadden]

Why don't I like this guy?

I'm not pushing an agenda, but this guy doesn't impress me that much. I've seen several members pimpin him in the second round.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings here but I don't get it. Maybe in the 4th round but this is a good RB class and he just doesn't look that impressive or play as fast as his timed speed.

 

[TheCount]

How much have you actually watched of him? We can start there.

I think he's got good all around measurables and certainly produced in college. The one, in my opinion, true knock against him is how smart is he really? He's a mush mouth which leads many people to question his intelligence.

Certainly he won't be running for president anytime soon, but I think he'll be a fine RB.

 

[Maxmadden]

I've watched the youtubes vids and heard a couple of interviews, so I was taking it all together.

Watching the videos, he didn't seem to have great vision and while he has good speed, he doesn't seem as fast as his timed 40. Maybe it's just me.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Why don't I like this guy?

I'm not pushing an agenda, but this guy doesn't impress me that much. I've seen several members pimpin him in the second round.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings here but I don't get it. Maybe in the 4th round but this is a good RB class and he just doesn't look that impressive or play as fast as his timed speed.

Here's two scouting reports on him!

Jamaal Charles, 2008 NFL Draft Prospect
Running Back
5' 11" 200 lbs.
Speed: 4.42
Texas
Junior (declared)

NFL Draft Dog 2nd Team All-American Jamaal Charles will enter the 2008 NFL Draft as a junior. The speedy Texas Longhorn running back finished his junior season (2007) ranked 9th in the NCAA with 1,619 yards and 18 touchdowns this season. He also recorded an impressive 124.54 yards per game average.

Charles is one of the first "elite" juniors to officially declare for the draft. He received his grade from the NFL advisory council, and while it is hasn't been made available to the public, it was reportedly in the 2-3 round range.

"We appreciate everything Jamaal has done for Texas and want to wish him all of the best," Texas Coach Mack Brown said. "He has been a great player for us and more importantly a tremendous person, student and representative of our program."

I like how Charles finished games in the fourth quarter, he averaged 6.2 yards per carry this season. He had an early season fumbling problem, including a devastating fumble at the goal line in a 28-21 loss to Oklahoma, but he finished very strong, averaging 180 yards over the final five games.

Charles had a career-high 290 rushing yards in a 28-25 win over Nebraska in which he had 216 yards and three long TDs in the fourth quarter. He also had 161 yards and two touchdowns in Texas' Pacific Life Holiday Bowl win over Arizona State. He also emerged as a better receiver during that stretch, in which he caught 9 passes for 121 yards.

Charles has only average size at 5' 11" 200 pounds, but he has blazing speed, he was a four-time All-American in track for the Longhorns and ran a career-best 10.23-second 100 meters to win the Big 12 title as a freshman in 2006. Not only fast, but he has the strength to move the pile and break tackles. Once he hits the secondary, he will not be caught from behind.

Jamaal Charles' 3,328 career rushing yards rank fourth in school history, trailing only Ricky Williams, Cedrick Benson and Earl Campbell. Former Texas running back Selvin Young, a 2007 rookie standout with the Denver Broncos, is the latest example of a Texas running back making it big in the NFL. The positive history of Texas running backs in the NFL (minus Cedrick Benson) will only help Charles' status in the 2008 NFL Draft

Jamaal Charles RB 6'1 205 Texas
By: Robert Davis
Charles had an immediate impact for the Longhorns as a freshman, rushing for 878 yards and 11 touchdowns, while catching 14 passes for 157 yards and two touchdowns. As a sophomore, he earned All Big 12 honors after rushing for 831 yards and seven touchdowns, to go along with 18 receptions for 183 yards and a touchdown. Charles put it all together as a junior, rushing for 1,619 yards and 18 touchdowns, while adding 17 catches for 199 yards on his way to All Big 12 1st team honors.

Charles has excellent speed and can hit a hole and take it the distance at any time. He can turn the corner with ease and pull away from defenders, or put on a move and make the defender miss. Charles is also a solid interior runner, showing more power than you should think given his size. He runs tough and does not give up easily at the end of runs.

Size is a concern with Charles. He has only average size, and will need to bulk up a bit to be a feature back. He has also had some problems putting the ball on the floor in college.

Charles is a big play back, that can run it between the tackles. He may only have average size, but he more than makes up for that with his big play ability and speed. He should hear his name called in the second round when all is said and done.

He looks like Marion Barber with a little less power but with a LOT MORE SPEED, a LOT MORE, he's got vision, he CERTAINLY has the cutback moves and has power and speed, if he's still there in round 2 we'll jump all over him!
Here, this video sold me, look at the run at the 3:00 mark, that's a great run that shows his power, CUTBACK ablity, and flat out SPEEEEED!
Watch the whole tape and come back and tell me he's sitll only worth a 4th round pick and you woulnd't be happy with him in round 2.
My ONLY PROBLEM I have with him is his fumbles, but that's due to him not switching the ball to the proper hand when running to the sideline and is eaily coachable,, other than that this kid is gonna be a stud!
Here you go, LOOK then report back and tell me again you wouldn't want him running behind Barber getting 10-12 carries a game and don't think he's worth a 2nd rounder!
Look at the 3 minute mark and tell me he doesn't run as fast as he's timed again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIe8WsB1KZ8

Oh, I almost forgot, that highlight reel is ONLY from his FRESHMAN YEAR!

 

[Maxmadden]

Here's two scouting reports on him!

He looks like Marion Barber with a little less power but with a LOT MORE SPEED, a LOT MORE, he's got vision, he CERTAINLY has the cutback moves and has power and speed, if he's still there in round 2 we'll jump all over him!
Here, this video sold me, look at the run at the 3:00 mark, that's a great run that shows his power, CUTBACK ablity, and flat out SPEEEEED!
Watch the whole tape and come back and tell me he's sitll only worth a 4th round pick and you woulnd't be happy with him in round 2.
My ONLY PROBLEM I have with him is his fumbles, but that's due to him not switching the ball to the proper hand when running to the sideline and is eaily coachable,, other than that this kid is gonna be a stud!
Here you go, LOOK then report back and tell me again you wouldn't want him running behind Barber getting 10-12 carries a game and don't think he's worth a 2nd rounder!
Look at the 3 minute mark and tell me he doesn't run as fast as he's timed again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIe8WsB1KZ8

Oh, I almost forgot, that highlight reel is ONLY from his FRESHMAN YEAR!

Impressive highlight reel but the play at the 3:00 minute mark is sloppy tackling and a defense that thought the play was over, both corners were 20yds away before realizing the play wasn't over. He does have good speed but I just don't see the acceleration.

I could probably live with a 3rd round selection but I think there will be better backs available in the 2cond.

Possibly Ricky Williams and Benson have clouded my judgement but I don't see an NFL stud in Charles.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Impressive highlight reel but the play at the 3:00 minute mark is sloppy tackling and a defense that thought the play was over, both corners were 20yds away before realizing the play wasn't over. He does have good speed but I just don't see the acceleration.

I could probably live with a 3rd round selection but I think there will be better backs available in the 2cond.

Possibly Ricky Williams and Benson have clouded my judgement but I don't see an NFL stud in Charles.

How did Ricky Williams cloud yuor judgement?
Before POT got the best of him, Ricky was one of the leagues best backs!
Who are these better backs you speak of that you think will be available in round 2?
I don't think Charles will be there when we pick in round 2 anyway, I think he'll be long gone!

 

[Biggems]

so you never actually watched him play and yet you dog him out?

Charles frustrates me at times...mainly cause he had fumbling issues and some nagging injuries. However, he seems to have fixed the fumbling, thanks to Earl Campbell. He can run inside or outside. He has break away speed. He didn't really display it in college, but he can be a receiver out of the backfield. He also, did a solid job of blocking when it was asked of him.

go find a clip that shows the entire 4th quarter against Nebraska last year. Then get the 4th quarter against either Texas Tech or Oklahoma St......against Nebraska, he had nearly 300 yds in the 4th quarter.

 

[jimmy40]

Why don't I like this guy?

I'm not pushing an agenda, but this guy doesn't impress me that much. I've seen several members pimpin him in the second round.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings here but I don't get it. Maybe in the 4th round but this is a good RB class and he just doesn't look that impressive or play as fast as his timed speed.

1600 yards behind a terrible offensive line with Greg Davis as OC. Yeah, Charles sucks.

 

[Biggems]

1600 yards behind a terrible offensive line with Greg Davis as OC. Yeah, Charles sucks.

if Charles was on a team that actually ran the ball, like West Virginia.....he would have had over 2000 yds easy.

Greg Davis runs that stupid gimmick offense with a gimmick running game....i am surprised Charles was as successful as he was last year.

 

[jimmy40]

if Charles was on a team that actually ran the ball, like West Virginia.....he would have had over 2000 yds easy.

Greg Davis runs that stupid gimmick offense with a gimmick running game....i am surprised Charles was as successful as he was last year.

When someone questions how fast Charles plays you have to wonder what the hell they were watching. Is it Charles' fault every freaking running play in Greg Davis' offense is designed to go 20 yards sideways? I remember some idiot saying Charles runs sideways too much, yeah, no kidding and he still had 1600 yards.

 

[Biggems]

When someone questions how fast Charles plays you have to wonder what the hell they were watching. Is it Charles' fault every freaking running play in Greg Davis' offense is designed to go 20 yards sideways? I remember some idiot saying Charles runs sideways too much, yeah, no kidding and he still had 1600 yards.

what about the 20 passes a game at the line of scrimmage, while throwing maybe 1 or 2 beyond 15 yds, while having a QB like McCoy and WRs like Sweed, Pittman, and Cosby.......and a TE like Finley. How about Finley using and abusing the OU secondary for an entire half, then not even being used the second half of a close game.

Greg Davis blows...............I am a huge Mack Brown fan, and I am huge on loyalty.....but I cannot stand Brown's loyalty to Davis.

 

[Maxmadden]

Sorry Horns fans I wasn't dogging him out. I just don't want him in the 2cond round. We'll see come draft day I hope your all right and he's long gone by our 2cond pick.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Sorry Horns fans I wasn't dogging him out. I just don't want him in the 2cond round. We'll see come draft day I hope your all right and he's long gone by our 2cond pick.

Why don't you want him in round 2 exactly?
you read his reports, you've seen him on tape, and you heard the fans of him who watched him all eyar tell you how good he is, and what's your reason for not wanting him in round 2?
you said he's not fast, but CLEARLY that's not true, so I just don't get it!
But to each his own, I hate Cason yet people in here love him, go figure!

 

[Biggems]

Sorry Horns fans I wasn't dogging him out. I just don't want him in the 2cond round. We'll see come draft day I hope your all right and he's long gone by our 2cond pick.

dont worry.....no need to get ur undies in a bunch over the subject. Charles is a Horn. Dallas doesnt draft Horns......so Charles wont be a Cowboy........

 

[silverbear]

Why don't I like this guy?

I'm not pushing an agenda, but this guy doesn't impress me that much. I've seen several members pimpin him in the second round.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings here but I don't get it. Maybe in the 4th round but this is a good RB class and he just doesn't look that impressive or play as fast as his timed speed.

Take a look at what he did in his last 5 college games, and you might begin to figure it out...

We're talkin' 116 carries for 897 yards (7.7 yards per carry, 179.4 yards rushing per game), plus 9 more receptions for 121 yards, making 125 touches for 1018 yards, or 203.6 yards per game)... and this wasn't done against a bunch of weak sisters, this came against Arizona State in a bowl game, against Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Nebraska... he scored 10 TDs in those 5 games too...

7.7 yards per carry sure sounds like he was playing to his timed speed to me... but if that doesn't convince you, take a look at his scoring runs-- 15 yards, 32 yards, 8 yards, 24 yards, 75 yards, 18 yards, 22 yards, 40 yards, 86 yards, 25 yards... he also caught a 62 yard pass that he didn't score on...

Hmmm, for a guy who doesn't "play fast", he sure does have a lot of long TD runs... 10 TDs, and the shortest one was 8 yards... I count 4 plays over 40 yards, 5 over 30, 8 over 20, in just 5 games...

In point of fact, it's hard to find a bigger home run threat in this draft... he's one of those players who's a threat to take it all the way every time he touches the ball...

 

[BIGWAY]

Take a look at what he did in his last 5 college games, and you might begin to figure it out...

We're talkin' 116 carries for 897 yards (7.7 yards per carry, 179.4 yards rushing per game), plus 9 more receptions for 121 yards, making 125 touches for 1018 yards, or 203.6 yards per game)... and this wasn't done against a bunch of weak sisters, this came against Arizona State in a bowl game, against Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Nebraska... he scored 10 TDs in those 5 games too...

7.7 yards per carry sure sounds like he was playing to his timed speed to me... but if that doesn't convince you, take a look at his scoring runs-- 15 yards, 32 yards, 8 yards, 24 yards, 75 yards, 18 yards, 22 yards, 40 yards, 86 yards, 25 yards... he also caught a 62 yard pass that he didn't score on...

Hmmm, for a guy who doesn't "play fast", he sure does have a lot of long TD runs... 10 TDs, and the shortest one was 8 yards... I count 4 plays over 40 yards, 5 over 30, 8 over 20, in just 5 games...

In point of fact, it's hard to find a bigger home run threat in this draft... he's one of those players who's a threat to take it all the way every time he touches the ball...

Well said . Very self explanatory.

 

[BAT]

Sorry Horns fans I wasn't dogging him out. I just don't want him in the 2cond round. We'll see come draft day I hope your all right and he's long gone by our 2cond pick.

Then you have nothing to worry about. Charles will not be available when Dallas picks in the 2nd.

If the Cowboys acquire Charles, it will have to be with an earlier pick (#28, or a trade).

 

[burmafrd]

So how did he do against OK and MO and KS this last year?

 

[Maxmadden]

Thanks for all the good info guys, perhaps it will soften the blow if he somehow ends up here. Statistically speaking he does seem to merit consideration and he would compliment MB3. I don't know, I'm just not sold on the guy.

 

[Biggems]

Ark St
27 car
112 yds
1 TD
0 FumL
15 yds - Long

TCU
22 car
134
1 TD
0 FumL

1 rec
4 yds

UCF
22 car
153 yds
1 TD
0 FumL
46 yds - long

1 rec
7 yds

Rice
14 car
72 yds
3 TDs
0 FumL

KSU
17 car
72 yds
1 TD
0 FumL

OU
17 car
79 yds
1 FumL

But in the 1st half, Texas was using the passing game mostly. Charles really wasn't utilized until the second half. Unfortunately his fumble happened at the 4 yd line, and if he doesn't fumble, he scores a TD.

That fumble caused Earl Campbell to have some words with Jamaal on how to carry the football.....and after that conversation, Jamaal fumbled only once the remainder of the season.

Iowa St.
7 car
44 yds
1 TD
0 FumL

1 rec
7 yds

Baylor
16 car
56 yds
0 TD
18 yds - Long

2 rec
36 yds
31 yds - long

Nebraska
33 car
290 yds
3 TDs
0 FumL
86 yds - long

Ok St
16 car
180 yds
3 TDs
0 FumL
75 yds - long

3 rec
29 yds
16 yds - long

Texas Tech
23 car
174 yds
1 TD
0 FumL
35 yds - long

A&M
17 car
92 yds
1 TD
0 FumL
19 yds - long

4 rec
81 yds
62 yds - long

KU - didn't play them

Mizzou - didn't play them

CU - didn't play them

Arizona St.
27 car
161 yds
2 TDs
0 FumL
48 yds - long

2 rec
11 yds
9 yds - long

Greg Davis is a horrible OC......ask any UT fan. None of us like him. He totally misuses our awesome talent. If we would have simply ran the I with Charles as our back, Ogbonnaya as our FB, Sweed and Cosby as our WRs and Finley as our TE....our offense would have been so much better and consistent. Also, Charles probably would have gotten over 2,000 yds rushing.

Instead, Davis uses a lot of gimmicky plays, short passes, and stupid running plays. He rarely utilizes backs as receivers out of the backfield.

It wasn't until the 4th quarter of the Nebraska game that he finally figured out how to utilize Charles. Once he figured it out, Jamaal exploded the rest of the season.

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE GREG........

BTW, Sweed had some nice stats as well, playing with a bad wrist, until he finally landed on it funny and had to opt for surgery to repair it.

If Dallas were to draft Charles and Sweed, I think they and all the doubting Cowboys fans would end up being extremely pleased with the production that occurs.

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