Jared Goff

[Frozen700]

Hopefully we get this dude

 

[texbumthelife]

Hopefully we get this dude

Well thought and and executed post. Two thumbs up.

 

[vicjagger]

Are we switching to a WC Offense?

 

[CATCH17]

Hopefully we get this dude

Wentz > Goff

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Wentz > Goff

lol, didn't take you long, huh

 

[CF74]

Are we switching to a WC Offense?

Isn't that sorta kinda what we run. Dink dunk, dink dunk?

 

[sbark]

Are we switching to a WC Offense?

Wentz is WCO and operates from under center..............Goff has been indoctrinated in the anti-nfl pro set.......the spread offense.........

 

[Frozen700]

Well thought and and executed post. Two thumbs up.

Yeah thanks, come again

 

[texbumthelife]

Wentz is WCO and operates from under center..............Goff has been indoctrinated in the anti-nfl pro set.......the spread offense.........

I keep hearing this argument about Wentz playing in a pro-style offense, but he plays an exceeding number of snaps from the shotgun in spread formations.

This is his tape from the FCS Championship game this year. He is in shotgun significantly more than he is under center.


He may have more experience under center than Goff or Lynch, but to say he operates under center as a rule is a real stretch.

He also needs a ton of work on his deep ball placement.

 

[sbark]

I keep hearing this argument about Wentz playing in a pro-style offense, but he plays an exceeding number of snaps from the shotgun in spread formations.

This is his tape from the FCS Championship game this year. He is in shotgun significantly more than he is under center.


He may have more experience under center than Goff or Lynch, but to say he operates under center as a rule is a real stretch.

He also needs a ton of work on his deep ball placement.

It was Wentz's 1st game back after missing 90 days with a broken wrist, NDSU smashmouth ran their way to the Championship game............JSU did what any smart coach would do giving the above 2 issues---they attempted to see if Wentz was sharp enough after the layoff and stacked the box continuously after the 1st drive .........

 

[CF74]

It was Wentz's 1st game back after missing 90 days with a broken wrist, NDSU smashmouth ran their way to the Championship game............JSU did what any smart coach would do giving the above 2 issues---they attempted to see if Wentz was sharp enough after the layoff and stacked the box continuously after the 1st drive .........

He looked better than Carson Palmer did recently lol

 

[sbark]

He looked better than Carson Palmer did recently lol

Looked darn good 1st half........2nd half JSU had nothing to loose trying to jump the sideline out patterns........Wentz should've had the ball in the air prior to receiver breaking to avoid the INt..........wasn't a bad decision, but was a late decision, ---hopefully a symptom of the long layoff and timing with the receiver

 

[texbumthelife]

It was Wentz's 1st game back after missing 90 days with a broken wrist, NDSU smashmouth ran their way to the Championship game............JSU did what any smart coach would do giving the above 2 issues---they attempted to see if Wentz was sharp enough after the layoff and stacked the box continuously after the 1st drive .........

They ran "smash-mouth" from the shotgun formation with Wentz throwing 29 passes? We are seeing very different things. They threw the ball, from shotgun almost exclusively until Wentz threw his second interception. Then, with a big lead in the second half, they started to pound the rock. That's ok, though. We can agree to disagree. Here is another clip:

This is Carson Wentz against Northern Iowa from before he was injured. Once again, he is in the shotgun formation far more than he is under center and even runs a significant amount of read-option plays. This is not an NFL style, under center offense. It uses NFL style concepts here and there, like 12 personnel, but this is a shotgun WC/Spread hybrid offense. Wentz spends most of his time in shotgun. The only reason people won't call this a "spread offense" is because they don't throw near as many screens as most spread offenses do.



I don't blame you at all for thinking what you do. The guys out there getting paid on draft sites are saying similar things. When you go back and watch tape, however, it couldn't be further from the truth. They're taking one extreme, Goff in the spread at Cal, and trying to paint Wentz into the other extreme. Wentz has the arm talent and the body, but his learning curve is going to be very large, regardless of the level of talent, because of how much NDSU ran the read-option and how much he threw from Shotgun. Think RGIII but less physically gifted (he may be more mentally gifted, only time will tell). If he gets to a team that wants to play like New England and doesn't care about a running game, he will be in a much better spot. He would rot in this offense.

As a side note, I REALLY wish Linehan/Garrett put in a middle screen like NDSU uses @ :38 in that second video!

 

[texbumthelife]

Looked darn good 1st half........2nd half JSU had nothing to loose trying to jump the sideline out patterns........Wentz should've had the ball in the air prior to receiver breaking to avoid the INt..........wasn't a bad decision, but was a late decision, ---hopefully a symptom of the long layoff and timing with the receiver

He looked alright. His accuracy and ball placement was spotty. He also stares down his receivers quite a bit--which is something he did before the injury too.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

He looked alright. His accuracy and ball placement was spotty. He also stares down his receivers quite a bit--which is something he did before the injury too.

I see the same thing as you. His accuracy is a huge question mark for me. If you watch his film his ball placement is sketchy. He often makes his Wrs slow down and wait for the ball . Or throws too many right on the numbers making the receivers adjust instead of hitting them in stride. In the NFL that will not work. There is NO way I feel comfortable taking this guy top 15. @ 34 Id be okay . If they take him @ 4 I might lose it.

 

[sbark]

They ran "smash-mouth" from the shotgun formation with Wentz throwing 29 passes? We are seeing very different things. They threw the ball, from shotgun almost exclusively until Wentz threw his second interception. Then, with a big lead in the second half, they started to pound the rock. That's ok, though. We can agree to disagree. Here is another clip:

This is Carson Wentz against Northern Iowa from before he was injured. Once again, he is in the shotgun formation far more than he is under center and even runs a significant amount of read-option plays. This is not an NFL style, under center offense. It uses NFL style concepts here and there, like 12 personnel, but this is a shotgun WC/Spread hybrid offense. Wentz spends most of his time in shotgun. The only reason people won't call this a "spread offense" is because they don't throw near as many screens as most spread offenses do.



I don't blame you at all for thinking what you do. The guys out there getting paid on draft sites are saying similar things. When you go back and watch tape, however, it couldn't be further from the truth. They're taking one extreme, Goff in the spread at Cal, and trying to paint Wentz into the other extreme. Wentz has the arm talent and the body, but his learning curve is going to be very large, regardless of the level of talent, because of how much NDSU ran the read-option and how much he threw from Shotgun. Think RGIII but less physically gifted (he may be more mentally gifted, only time will tell). If he gets to a team that wants to play like New England and doesn't care about a running game, he will be in a much better spot. He would rot in this offense.

As a side note, I REALLY wish Linehan/Garrett put in a middle screen like NDSU uses @ :38 in that second video!

Looking at one game..............have to look at the run/pass splits over Wentz's career at NDSU.--They are a run 1st team, very old school. This game JSU was stacking the box against a team that on the 1st drive had just rammed it down their throat. from there on they stacked the box and NDSU reacted with what they thought Wentz was ok with in the passing game after missing 90 days............

Looking at 2014 season (Wentz full year) they were 3-1 run ratio in which he was operating from under center the vast majority.

 

[sbark]

He looked alright. His accuracy and ball placement was spotty. He also stares down his receivers quite a bit--which is something he did before the injury too.

Looked as good as Romo vrs Carolina after both had the 90 day plus layoff I guess...........

 

[texbumthelife]

Looking at one game..............have to look at the run/pass splits over Wentz's career at NDSU.--They are a run 1st team, very old school. This game JSU was stacking the box against a team that on the 1st drive had just rammed it down their throat. from there on they stacked the box and NDSU reacted with what they thought Wentz was ok with in the passing game after missing 90 days............

Looking at 2014 season (Wentz full year) they were 3-1 run ratio in which he was operating from under center the vast majority.

I looked at all of his 2015 games that were on Youtube. Even when they ran, they did so predominately from a shotgun read option look.

Where are you getting this 3:1 ratio from? Did you just make that up? I'll go an watch his 2014 tape, but I have a hard time believing there was anything close to a 3:1 under center:shotgun ratio.

Looked as good as Romo vrs Carolina after both had the 90 day plus layoff I guess...........

You mean against arguably the best defense in the NFL? That's the comparison you want to make? Are you going to blatantly ignore the other video I posted since it doesn't suit your argument?

 

[CATCH17]

I keep hearing this argument about Wentz playing in a pro-style offense, but he plays an exceeding number of snaps from the shotgun in spread formations.

This is his tape from the FCS Championship game this year. He is in shotgun significantly more than he is under center.


He may have more experience under center than Goff or Lynch, but to say he operates under center as a rule is a real stretch.

He also needs a ton of work on his deep ball placement.

Qbs in the pros play from shotgun a lot as well.

 

[texbumthelife]

Here is 2014 against Iowa. They definitely do not use a 3:1 ratio of under center to shotgun. In the third quarter, they play almost exclusively from the shotgun. Not only that, but he shows the same erratic accuracy and he's often late delivering the ball.


Here is 2014 against Coastal Carolina where they call the game very similarly.


I don't know if NDSU used to be more smash mouth, but they definitely ran the spread and shotgun formation quite a bit with Wentz. Maybe he feels more comfortable when they're spread out?

Also, Wentz puts the ball on the turf a lot. I am actually surprised it hasn't been talked about. Maybe it's because he tends to get it back.