Jared Goff

[ghst187]

I'd be happy with either Goff or Lynch at four, going to need a trade back and several extra picks before I'm happy about Wentz in the first but not upset about that scenario

 

[texbumthelife]

Qbs in the pros play from shotgun a lot as well.

No one said they didn't. The argument was made that Wentz played from under center the vast majority of the time. That's simply not correct. The argument has also been made that one of his strengths is having played in a pro-style offense, which isn't entirely true either. In fact, he seemed to look more comfortable in the spread and they seemed to run it more, the longer he was at NDSU.

 

[texbumthelife]

I'd be happy with either Goff or Lynch at four, going to need a trade back and several extra picks before I'm happy about Wentz in the first but not upset about that scenario

Lynch isn't worth the fourth either. Lynch and Wentz should both be mid-late first round picks. Goff is the only guy in the draft with the tape, numbers and pedigree to warrant a high first round pick.

Lynch and Wentz could wind up being tremendous players in the NFL, but they both have a long way to go and a very steep learning curve.

 

[CATCH17]

No one said they didn't. The argument was made that Wentz played from under center the vast majority of the time. That's simply not correct. The argument has also been made that one of his strengths is having played in a pro-style offense, which isn't entirely true either. In fact, he seemed to look more comfortable in the spread and they seemed to run it more, the longer he was at NDSU.

He took numerous snaps under center every game. Taking a snap, dropping back, and throwing is clearly not foreign to him and looks smooth.

 

[reddyuta]

Most Qbs in College play almost exclusively in shotgun,this is not a concern at all.

 

[IAmLegend]

Confident Goff will be a Brown, unfortunately.

 

[waving monkey]

They ran "smash-mouth" from the shotgun formation with Wentz throwing 29 passes? We are seeing very different things. They threw the ball, from shotgun almost exclusively until Wentz threw his second interception. Then, with a big lead in the second half, they started to pound the rock. That's ok, though. We can agree to disagree. Here is another clip:

This is Carson Wentz against Northern Iowa from before he was injured. Once again, he is in the shotgun formation far more than he is under center and even runs a significant amount of read-option plays. This is not an NFL style, under center offense. It uses NFL style concepts here and there, like 12 personnel, but this is a shotgun WC/Spread hybrid offense. Wentz spends most of his time in shotgun. The only reason people won't call this a "spread offense" is because they don't throw near as many screens as most spread offenses do.



I don't blame you at all for thinking what you do. The guys out there getting paid on draft sites are saying similar things. When you go back and watch tape, however, it couldn't be further from the truth. They're taking one extreme, Goff in the spread at Cal, and trying to paint Wentz into the other extreme. Wentz has the arm talent and the body, but his learning curve is going to be very large, regardless of the level of talent, because of how much NDSU ran the read-option and how much he threw from Shotgun. Think RGIII but less physically gifted (he may be more mentally gifted, only time will tell). If he gets to a team that wants to play like New England and doesn't care about a running game, he will be in a much better spot. He would rot in this offense.

As a side note, I REALLY wish Linehan/Garrett put in a middle screen like NDSU uses @ :38 in that second video!

Wentz will have a bigger learning curve no doubt but thats why this is the perfect team to draft him
Here he has time.

 

[texbumthelife]

Wentz will have a bigger learning curve no doubt but thats why this is the perfect team to draft him
Here he has time.

I might agree if I trusted this staff, or anyone on it, to properly coach Wentz and improve his game. As it stands, I don't think he talent would transfer to this offense very well, if at all.

I do think he has great talent and his physical tools are undeniable. I love his mobility. Like I said, I just wouldn't invest that fourth pick on the kid. He doesn't have fourth overall pick tools, tape or pedigree.

 

[CCBoy]

I would laugh my arse off if Dallas could pick the very best offensive tackle in the draft, at pick #4.

 

[waving monkey]

To not draft because the staff isn't talented enough to train him is [ who ever]
is in so many ways wrong. It's glued into failure. It's football nihilistic if
there is such a thing.

 

[CATCH17]

I would laugh my arse off if Dallas could pick the very best offensive tackle in the draft, at pick #4.

Tunsil is so much better than everyone in this draft that I'd actually be fine with it.

 

[IAmLegend]