jason campbell hurt

[skinsngibbs4life]

good news, definatly... Marcus Washington, on the other hand, seems to be a different story

Per a Jason La Canforora blog...

Posted at 11:38 AM ET, 08/19/2007

Campbell Update/Sunday Morning

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Jasno is off today, but he's still working the phones and spoke to a person with knowledge of Jason Campbell's status this morning...Here's what we know:
Campbell had said last night that he expected the knee to be stiff and sore this morning. The good news is that neither is as bad as they were tanticipating. There is little swelling and he's getting around much like he did last night, when you saw him walking into and out of the press room and climbing those two or three steps to the dais.
The feeling today is that they were incredibly lucky with this injury. They really dodged a bullet.
I'm heading in to work. Need to get me some coffee. I'll check back in later.[/FONT]

 

[AmishGangsta]

Right, they were 9th... do you call that an "offensive juggernaut"?? I call that "mediocre"...

You're telling me that, if the Cowboys had a top ten offense this year you would call that mediocre?

scintillating against the pass... not bad, mind you, but they are giving up just under 195 yards a game passing...

Well considering that in the first game the first string defense started in their own territory 3 times and only gave up 3 points, and in the second game they forced two shutouts followed by a drive that had at the most - 2 significant pass plays - which led to a field goal. I'd say most of that yardage was given up at the end of the game, you know, by players who are going to be cut in a few days.

And as I've noted, the two glaring deficiencies for the Skins' defense last year were the inability to sack the quarterback, and an inability to force turnovers... well, after two preseason games, they've got one of each...

Ok, you've got a point here, but I don't know how you're supposed to get fantasy football like sacks and interceptions when you're shutting teams down.

For sure, the Skins' defense won't be as bad as last year, it's clear that it's much, much better already at defending the run... but I don't see it as a top 10 defense... maybe middle of the pack...

We've been through this one before Considering they've had a top ten defense every year since Gregg has been here -- excluding last year -- I'd say the chances of them getting back in the top ten are realistic; we didn't have a fantasy football like defense back then either - ie massive sacks and turnovers.

 

[AsthmaField]

Ok, you've got a point here, but I don't know how you're supposed to get fantasy football like sacks and interceptions when you're shutting teams down.

I don't neccessarily disagree with you on most of what you wrote... however... when a defense is shutting down an offense, the good ones usually do so with sacks, tackles for a loss and turnovers.

I suppose you mean you stop the run and force an incompletion to get the offense off of the field. That does work and it will make a defense in the top 5 or 10. However, having been a Cowboy fan and seeing the 2003 (I think?) defense that was ranked #1 overall... I can tell you that without sacks, tackles for a loss and turnovers, a defense is far from dominating.

$0.02

 

[skinsscalper]

good news, definatly... Marcus Washington, on the other hand, seems to be a different story

Per a Jason La Canforora blog...

Good to hear. I have "hate for the Commanders" in my blood, but I hate to see ANY player go down for a significant amount of time in the pre-season. Besides, I want to see the Skins firing on ALL cylinders when we whip your ***es this year.

SS

 

[peplaw06]

good news, definatly... Marcus Washington, on the other hand, seems to be a different story

Per a Jason La Canforora blog...

What happened to Washington?

 

[skinsscalper]

What happened to Washington?

Dislocated elbow, I believe. Mike Espy is also out for the season (whoever that is).

SS

 

[WR17]

Dislocated elbow, I believe. Mike Espy is also out for the season (whoever that is).

SS

Mike Espy is the reciever that made Eli Manning look good in college.

 

[Bizwah]

Good news on Campbell. He really seems like a good guy.

Quite frankly, I'd rather face him right now, than Brunell or even Collins.

Losing Washington would be a HUGE blow. He's easily the best LB the Skins have.

Washington's defense is good. I think they are excellent in the back seven. Their front four is poor. So, they have to make up for a poor DL with smoke and mirrors....much like we did in 2003.

If teams figure out their blitzes (run and pass), they're in trouble.

 

[TunaFan33]

I hope Washington is OK, nonetheless. If his elbow injury was anything serious, we would have probably heard it 1000 X's by now.

Like I said-I HATE injuries-I don't care what team it is, or how much I hate them. It just makes your stomach sink to a VERY low level seeing someone get hurt.

 

[WR17]

Losing Washington would be a HUGE blow. He's easily the best LB the Skins have.

I agree losing Marcus is quite a blow to us. I don't agree with him being our best LB though. I'd rather have London in the middle than Marcus on the outside. I also think the effect of this injury will be minimized because of how great Rocky McIntosh is performing. Lemar Marshall at best is a decent starter and can hold it down if Marcus has to miss the first two or three games. We won't get the playmaking ability Washington brings but Marshall is a decent stop gap.

What we will miss is Washingtons ability to rush the passer on 3rd down. He was going to be used in his natural college position of DE this year on 3rd down. I'm afraid we don't have a legit backup pass rusher to his spot and will have to revert to Phil Daniels or Sucknaldo Wynn.

 

[DallasDomination]

Hope He's alright, sucks having your rivals starting qb go down before the season even starts.

 

[Bizwah]

I agree losing Marcus is quite a blow to us. I don't agree with him being our best LB though. I'd rather have London in the middle than Marcus on the outside. I also think the effect of this injury will be minimized because of how great Rocky McIntosh is performing. Lemar Marshall at best is a decent starter and can hold it down if Marcus has to miss the first two or three games. We won't get the playmaking ability Washington brings but Marshall is a decent stop gap.

What we will miss is Washingtons ability to rush the passer on 3rd down. He was going to be used in his natural college position of DE this year on 3rd down. I'm afraid we don't have a legit backup pass rusher to his spot and will have to revert to Phil Daniels or Sucknaldo Wynn.

You're right about Fletcher being more important to your team.

But from an outsiders perspective, I just don't fear him. Washington is a player to fear...especially from a pass rush perspective.

I'll have to wait and see about McIntosh. He's played well in the PS....but then again, so do a ton of other guys. He'll have to perform in the regular season.

If I were a Skins fan, I'd be worried to death about the lack of depth at DL, LB, OL, and WR.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Quite frankly, I'd rather face him right now, than Brunell or even Collins.

whys that?

 

[5Stars]

whys that?

Why do you think?!! :laugh2: He's nothing special...!


:dissskin:

 

[Bizwah]

whys that?

He's inexperienced.

And do note that I said RIGHT NOW.

I think we can throw things at Campbell that he's never seen before and fluster him into dumb mistakes.

 

[riggo]

And as I've noted, the two glaring deficiencies for the Skins' defense last year were the inability to sack the quarterback, and an inability to force turnovers... well, after two preseason games, they've got one of each...

For sure, the Skins' defense won't be as bad as last year, it's clear that it's much, much better already at defending the run... but I don't see it as a top 10 defense... maybe middle of the pack...

williams D's havent really gotten it done over the years with a ton of sacks and INT's.

i said before that i think the skins will be MUCH better on D this year, despite not addressing the D line. the skins were #1 thoughout most of the season 3 years ago before finishing third. 2 years ago- over the last 6 games of the season - they were the #1 rush D and #1 scoring D.

if you look at last season and where they were hurt, it was primarily the DB's and LB's. williams brings pressure from those areas rather than D linemen. with the back 7 dinged, he was forced to employ a different style- and it didnt work. credit cowboyszone posters for pointing out before the season that the skins didnt have depth- that killed them.

their D line got much of the blame, but the skins didnt get new D linemen. they got a tackling maching LB, starting their 2nd round pick at LB, and got a ton of DB's.

even though its preseason, you can see a huge difference in how the D is playing. fletcher and mcintosh look outstanding. as does landry and really all the DB's.

all that to say that i think the skins performance last year- given how they played the first 2 years under williams- was the exception rather than the rule.

 

[TunaFan33]

williams D's havent really gotten it done over the years with a ton of sacks and INT's.

i said before that i think the skins will be MUCH better on D this year, despite not addressing the D line. the skins were #1 thoughout most of the season 3 years ago before finishing third. 2 years ago- over the last 6 games of the season - they were the #1 rush D and #1 scoring D.

if you look at last season and where they were hurt, it was primarily the DB's and LB's. williams brings pressure from those areas rather than D linemen. with the back 7 dinged, he was forced to employ a different style- and it didnt work. credit cowboyszone posters for pointing out before the season that the skins didnt have depth- that killed them.

their D line got much of the blame, but the skins didnt get new D linemen. they got a tackling maching LB, starting their 2nd round pick at LB, and got a ton of DB's.

even though its preseason, you can see a huge difference in how the D is playing. fletcher and mcintosh look outstanding. as does landry and really all the DB's.

all that to say that i think the skins performance last year- given how they played the first 2 years under williams- was the exception rather than the rule.

IMHO-what really killed the Skins last year was their RED ZONE OFFENSE, more than anything else. Forget about their underperforming D, they lost 1/2 of their games due to becoming stagnant inside the 20 yard line, despite having good-looking drives going.

Sure-that 2nd game b/w you and us may have been a gift, but what if the Skins had made that ONE yard on their long, 8 minute opening drive? Failing to just ended up taking a whiff out of that team, it looked.

 

[riggo]

IMHO-what really killed the Skins last year was their RED ZONE OFFENSE, more than anything else. Forget about their underperforming D, they lost 1/2 of their games due to becoming stagnant inside the 20 yard line, despite having good-looking drives going.

Sure-that 2nd game b/w you and us may have been a gift, but what if the Skins had made that ONE yard on their long, 8 minute opening drive? Failing to just ended up taking a whiff out of that team, it looked.

the skins did have a habit of putting together drives and not scoring- they finished 4th in rushing, 21st in passing and only 20th in scoring. that was definitely part of it. in fairness to the O, the system - complex according to everyone- was new, brunell was ineffective so a virtual rook had to start, and portis was dinged before the season began and was mostly ineffective til they put him on IR. betts finished well, though.

even though the O had its issues, the D set records for all time ineptitude. in addition to not being able to buy a turnover, they finished 31st ranked (in yards). the D was supposed to be the strength of the team. i think with even a mediocre D, the skins would have won a couple more games.

 

[WR17]

If I were a Skins fan, I'd be worried to death about the lack of depth at DL, LB, OL, and WR.

Out of those, the only ones I'm worried about are DE, WR and OL. LB is a very strong forte for us. Lemar Marshall is a terrific backup to have since he can play all three positions and has performed solidly at two of them. Also I like our DT situation. We have a couple of young guys who can get the job done along with experienced vetsl ike Griffin and Salvea.

I'm worried about the offensive line but theres only so much you can do to replace a perrenial Pro Bowler.

I feel terrible about our DE situation. I like Andre Carter and after his awesome second half of the season, I think hes for real. The problem is, there is no one experienced or good enough to spell him as a pass rusher. I like Marcus Washington as a pass rusher on 3rd down but I fear we might be asking too much from a guy whos getting up there in age and body wear and tear.

The team has a serious flaw at the end and backup OL position but so do other teams at various other spots. Its something the coaching staff has to neutralize by strengthening the other positions. Its Gregg Williams job to mask our defensive end problem. How he does it, I don't know but I expect him too.

 

[AmishGangsta]

I don't neccessarily disagree with you on most of what you wrote... however... when a defense is shutting down an offense, the good ones usually do so with sacks, tackles for a loss and turnovers.

I suppose you mean you stop the run and force an incompletion to get the offense off of the field. That does work and it will make a defense in the top 5 or 10. However, having been a Cowboy fan and seeing the 2003 (I think?) defense that was ranked #1 overall... I can tell you that without sacks, tackles for a loss and turnovers, a defense is far from dominating.

$0.02

You definitely need to get sacks and turnovers to be a good team in the NFL.

I was just referring to the preseason games that I've watched, they got the pressure on the QB they just didn't have the sacks -- from the defensive linemen -- to show for it; in the preseason, your defense plays for such a small amount of time, it's kind of hard for them to compile sacks and interceptions. But he is right, that was a problem of our last season.