Jason Campbell...

[firehawk350]

If you all will recall, last year I got into quite a debate with Silverbear about the potential of Jason Campbell... I said that we'll know the mettle of Jason Campbell at the end of 2008. Well, here we are, 2009 and I wanted to poll CZ to see what you guys think of him. I understand that some fans' can't see past the jersey and will say "OMG, JASON CAMPBELL SUCKZ". Just understand that if that's you, then I won't take your response seriously and I won't be replying.

 

[zrinkill]

Overrated... Tony Romo - Put him on any other roster (one that doesn't feature a top-3 TE and WR) and I will bet he ends up below average.

You get what you give.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I think he made strides under Zorn and will improve more with being in the same system 2 years in a row finally.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

At this stage in his career, he seems to be the type of player that can succeed with a strong supporting cast, but I have doubts about his ability carry a team. Assessment as of 2008 would be a good QB for a run-based team who can take care of the ball and keep defenses honest.

My opinion could change in 2009 depending on if he progresses in the system.

 

[Danny White]

If you all will recall, last year I got into quite a debate with Silverbear about the potential of Jason Campbell... I said that we'll know the mettle of Jason Campbell at the end of 2008. Well, here we are, 2009 and I wanted to poll CZ to see what you guys think of him. I understand that some fans' can't see past the jersey and will say "OMG, JASON CAMPBELL SUCKZ". Just understand that if that's you, then I won't take your response seriously and I won't be replying.

I can sincerely say that I hope that Jason Campbell is the Redsk*ns quarterback for years and years to come.

 

[firehawk350]

You get what you give.

If TO gets released, we'll find out if that statement is valid... Romo definitely wasn't the world-beater everyone thought last year at this time.

 

[burmafrd]

Still a whole lot better then campbell.

 

[firehawk350]

At this stage in his career, he seems to be the type of player that can succeed with a strong supporting cast, but I have doubts about his ability carry a team. Assessment as of 2008 would be a good QB for a run-based team who can take care of the ball and keep defenses honest.

My opinion could change in 2009 depending on if he progresses in the system.

I disagree with one part. I don't think he has that long ball ability to keep safeties from creeping up. He throws far too flat and his long balls are more often interceptions than they are big plays. The only long TD I can remember off the top of my head was a blown safety blitz by the Lions.

 

[firehawk350]

Still a whole lot better then campbell.

I'm not going to argue that, I know Romo is better. But I would argue that Romo is the wrong QB for the Cowboys. Romo would do extremely well in a well-structure environment (like the Steelers). I don't know if Campbell can play to an elite level anywhere.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I disagree with one part. I don't think he has that long ball ability to keep safeties from creeping up. He throws far too flat and his long balls are more often interceptions than they are big plays. The only long TD I can remember off the top of my head was a blown safety blitz by the Lions.

I don't really think he has a great long ball either (I didn't mention the long ball as one of his strengths?). But, he can hit the other routes with enough frequency to keep teams from crowding the LOC. I suspect that he will be more comfortable in Zorn's system this year to the point that he will stop the check-down throws so much and target more of the intermediate ones, which is one of the biggest reasons why the safeties could play so close in 2008.

In my humble opinion, one of the biggest failings of the skins last year was that the starting WRs were not ideally suited for the WCO. I would assume that is why they drafted their two wide-outs last year, since they are more physical and better suited for the RAC yardage that the WCO emphasizes. (which reverts back to my thoughts on Campbell being as good as the talent around him, but not able to rise above it).

I am assuming that the Skins finally draft some O-line in 2009, so the onus falls on their two rook WRs from last season. If those two kids don't develop in 2009, then it will have to be the Clinton Portis show for the skins to free up the passing game.

 

[firehawk350]

I don't really think he has a great long ball either (I didn't mention the long ball as one of his strengths?). But, he can hit the other routes with enough frequency to keep teams from crowding the LOC. I suspect that he will be more comfortable in Zorn's system this year to the point that he will stop the check-down throws so much and target more of the intermediate ones, which is one of the biggest reasons why the safeties could play so close in 2008.

In my humble opinion, one of the biggest failings of the skins last year was that the starting WRs were not ideally suited for the WCO. I would assume that is why they drafted their two wide-outs last year, since they are more physical and better suited for the RAC yardage that the WCO emphasizes. (which reverts back to my thoughts on Campbell being as good as the talent around him, but not able to rise above it).

I am assuming that the Skins finally draft some O-line in 2009, so the onus falls on their two rook WRs from last season. If those two kids don't develop in 2009, then it will have to be the Clinton Portis show for the skins to free up the passing game.

I think his main problem is that he sucks at leading his receivers which is absolutely essential in a WCO. I heard Sonny Jergenson on the local sports radio around here saying that he has problems hitting anything that isn't facing him.

 

[zrinkill]

If TO gets released, we'll find out if that statement is valid... Romo definitely wasn't the world-beater everyone thought last year at this time.

I mean you do not give our QB any unbiased credit ...... why do you think yours deserves any?


I can be unbiased enough to say I think Campbell is a good young QB ..... You on the other hand cannot get past your Commander bias and can only call Tony "overrated"

You get only what you give on this forum.

 

[firehawk350]

I mean you do not give our QB any unbiased credit ...... why do you think yours deserves any?


I can be unbiased enough to say I think Campbell is a good young QB ..... You on the other hand cannot get past your Commander bias and can only call Tony "overrated"

You get only what you give on this forum.

I'm not here to argue with you about whether I was unbiased. The thread you took that from was LAST YEAR where people were swearing Romo walked on water. He was being talked about as being the second or third best QB in the league and that was obviously overrated. As to whether or not he's a below average QB without TO and Witten, well, that's my opinion based on conjecture. Obviously it's stupid to argue it because it's impossible to discern. It's my belief that he'll be below average though I have nothing to back it up. I admit that. I'm just saying it's my opinion.

Again, since I'm sure you are going to ignore the part where that I said that LAST offseason, I said it LAST offseason where everybody was calling him top-3 or top-5. If you had a poll today, I guarantee you he wouldn't rate as highly as he did last offseason.

Also, in the same post, I gave props to Greg Ellis because he wasn't given his due for 13.5 sacks in a limited number of games (13 if I remember correctly). I am able to give relatively unbiased opinions of Cowboys players (I like Felix Jones a lot for example), it's just you don't like it when somebody other than a Cowboys fan airs criticism.

Furthermore, I never asked for an unbiased opinion. I just want Cowboys' fans opinions on him to see the issue from the opposite side. In that case, I'm asking for exactly what I've given. The view from the opposite side of the fence.

Lastly, I disagree with your assessment of Campbell. First off, I think you are placating to try to show yourself as better than I am and secondly, I don't think he's a good young QB. He's painfully average. Where he succeeds in protecting the ball, he more than concedes in stalling the offense. I would take a QB who can throw 30 TDs but gives up 15 INTs to JC who threw 13 TDs but only coughed up 5-6 INTs.

 

[zrinkill]

First off, I think you are placating to try to show yourself as better than I am

Well I said basically the same thing 7 months ago

Personally I think Campbell is an above average young QB with lots of potential.

As far as being "better than you" ...... you are a Commander fan ...... whats the point?

And I really could care less if you like your QB or not ..... I was merely pointing out how you want "honest" opinions ..... but give nothing but biased ones yourself.

 

[ajk23az]

Omg, Jason Campbell Suckz!!!

 

[CowboyWay]

I think his main problem is that he sucks at leading his receivers which is absolutely essential in a WCO. I heard Sonny Jergenson on the local sports radio around here saying that he has problems hitting anything that isn't facing him.

I"ve been saying this for 2 years. If you look at this throws, they are never hitting guys in stride. They claim to run a WC system, but all the passes are very short routes where the reciever turns around and waits for the ball.

This just won't work in this league. You have to hit guys in stride. I can only assume that Jason can't do this because when he tries, the balls aren't very accurate at all, and both coaching staffs (gibbs and zorn) both have him throwing these types of routes. They must know he's not accurate enough to do it.

His low interception rates are a direct result of constantly checking down, or throwing 4 yard passes. A qb shouldn't turn the ball over when he does that. I will say his Offensive line doesn't help him much either.

In all, I'd say he is painfully mediocre. He's certainly nothing that anyone needs to gameplan against. When you play the skins, you worry about thier running game, and not letting Santana beat you deep.

Campbell is just good enough that you don't want to let him just walk away at the end of his contract, but not good enough for you to shell out good money for him either. It will be interesting to see what the skins do with him.

 

[firehawk350]

Well I said basically the same thing 7 months ago

Well kudos for that, I hope you are right and we're talking about whether the $15M bonus he's given next offseason is fair. I think he's just average.

As far as being "better than you" ...... you are a Commander fan ...... whats the point?

*yawn*

And I really could care less if you like your QB or not ..... I was merely pointing out how you want "honest" opinions ..... but give nothing but biased ones yourself.

I want what your opinion is honestly of Campbell. I realize 99% of them will be biased. That's fine. I just am warning people who blindly wave the flag that they won't get a response from me so don't clutter up the thread when I won't respond to them. Regardless, I always give my honest opinion of the way I perceive things. Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm right. Regarding Romo (and Barber for that matter) being overrated last offseason, I was right. Regarding DeMarcus Ware two offseasons ago, I was wrong. I recognize I can't give unbiased opinions and I also recognize it's impossible to quantify the value of opinions in football which is why I seek a range of them.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

At the start of last season I thought that Campbell was a good, young, QB who might grow with the right people around him to coach him and such. As the first part of the season went on Campbell seemed to be making some strides and showing some good improvement. I thought maybe Zorn was the guy for him.

By the end of the year, however, it was pretty clear it wasn't so much Zorn, or Campbell at all. As long as Portis was running well, and keeping the defense off him, tired, and unsure then Campbell was really good, even great at times.

But when that wasn't there it was back to the same old, same old for Campbell where he seemed worried, rushed, and easily rattled. At this point I think he's a average QB who can do really well for you as long as no one puts the breaks on your running game. If they slow your running game down, at all, then Campbell will struggle a great deal and likely cost you a lot more games than he'll win for you.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I think he's improved every year. If he can make the same kind of improvement this year, then he'll be a top 10-12 QB which is good enough for me to want to re-sign him. It would be nice if our O-Line could block for more than 2 seconds. I really hope we take an O-lineman with our first pick.

 

[Cowboys22]

He's merely average although he can look really good at times. His main problem as I have seen for the past two years is that he refuses to throw the ball until he sees the WR being wide open. This leads to him holding onto the ball way too long much of the time. It leads to constantly checking down and/or getting sacked or hit an awful lot. Its also the main reason for his low ints. When you only throw it to the check down or wide open WRs, you're not going to throw many ints. He is also very erratic with his accuracy. There are time when he looks perfect and I start to say "oh no, he's satrting to get it and play well" but then he turns right around the next drive and doesn't even come close with any of his passes. He certainly has the physical skills to be a good QB but I think he is lacking in the mental part. I don't think he reads defenses welland when you combine that with holding on to the ball too long and his long time consuming windup throwing motion, its just doesn't seem to work much of the time. To me, he is just average and will wind up a good to decent backup for someone when the skins finally give up on him. I would love to see the skins give him a longterm big money big bonus deal.