Jason Garrett, Will McClay, and the Future

[xwalker]

I agree
Drafting a QB just to be drafting a QB is a recipe for failure
I just hope jerry can continue to draft the best player and not draft for any position
Many of the years people have wanted qb's there just wasn't qb's to take where we were
I would rather take a QB when there is a QB worth taking at the spot we are picking
There may be a time in the future you have to make a more urgent move but we are still a few years from that I think

Bridgewater at #32 in 2014 was interesting but that was a probably a couple of years early to spend 1st on a QB.

 

[xwalker]

I was surprised to see Hundley drop the 5th round.

The Packers took him at #147. The Cowboys took Russell at #163.

I think the Cowboys would have taken him at #163 if he had been there.

 

[perrykemp]

The Packers took him at #147. The Cowboys took Russell at #163.

I think the Cowboys would have taken him at #163 if he had been there.

It's a possibility down the road that Hundley will be available. Who knows if the Cowboys really think he has starting potential. He'll spend 4 years in GB holding a clipboard and then will move OR somebody will trade for him after a year or two him lighting it up during the preseason ala Hasselback, Brunell, Aaron Brooks, etc.

 

[xwalker]

It's a possibility down the road that Hundley will be available. Who knows if the Cowboys really think he has starting potential. He'll spend 4 years in GB holding a clipboard and then will move OR somebody will trade for him after a year or two him lighting it up during the preseason ala Hasselback, Brunell, Aaron Brooks, etc.

Yes that could happen; although, I could see Rodgers going to way of Barry Sanders and just deciding that he's done at some point before he is forced to retire.

 

[Bullflop]

It's always been a big gamble trying to strike gold on picking a QB in the draft. Now, it's moreso than ever with the draft prospects at that position having practically little to no well-rounded knowledge of offensive plays and reading defenses. It appears we're at a point where we simply can't let it dissuade us, though. Now's the time.

 

[dallasdave]

Stop right there. I'm sold.

 

[cowboyblue22]

for all the building garrett has three eight and eight seasons one 12 and 4 and this one looking to be eight and eight so I don't really think there has been any thing extraordinary being built here it may take years to find tony replacement. they have wasted the the time of a really good qb mostly wasted seasons with lots of bad free agent moves and draft picks.

 

[sureletsrace]

for all the building garrett has three eight and eight seasons one 12 and 4 and this one looking to be eight and eight so I don't really think there has been any thing extraordinary being built here it may take years to find tony replacement. they have wasted the the time of a really good qb mostly wasted seasons with lots of bad free agent moves and draft picks.

I think that your expectations of how quickly a team can be rebuilt or how good a team that is rebuilding can be are skewed.

Most teams win 4-5 games a season during rebuilding phases, and it usually takes 3-5 good drafts, some quality free agency acquisitions, and some luck to successfully rebuild.

Be mad at Garrett for playcalling, clapping, etc. I feel you there. But to be mad because we went 8-8 while he was working on building the roster that he wanted is misdirected.

Just my opinion.

 

[sureletsrace]

Thanks for all of the replies everyone.

Great opinions, insights, and perspectives.

 

[DC Cowboy]

They should not force it. They need to get a decent backup prior to the draft and then draft a QB is there is one that they really like.

I know I have said it before and I will repeat it once more. Seeing how our WR corp fell off without Dez, I would go WR and see IF we have anything in Showers. If Showers can show any improvement next year I would bump him up and cut ties with Weeden and Moore.

 

[xwalker]

I know I have said it before and I will repeat it once more. Seeing how our WR corp fell off without Dez, I would go WR and see IF we have anything in Showers. If Showers can show any improvement next year I would bump him up and cut ties with Weeden and Moore.

Interestingly, this summer a media guy asked Jerry what was his biggest positional concern on the team and Jerry said WR. It seemed like and odd answer at the time but maybe he was right; although, I guess he should have said backup QB.

 

[dallasdave]

Do you trust Jason Garrett, Will McClay, the scouting department, and really the organization as a whole in regards to finding Romo's successor?

On one hand, we have the organization that took 10 years to go from Troy Aikman to Tony Romo. We have the complete lack of even trying to get a guy in here to develop. We also have a lack of using any respectable amount of resources on drafting at this position, or even acquiring someone through Free Agency.

On the other, we have Will McClay, who has really been drafting well. We also have Jason Garrett, who showed interest in drafting Andy Dalton in 2011. He was picked by Cincinnati 5 picks before the Cowboys picked, who wound up drafting Bruce Carter. I remember Jason Garrett really having wanted Andy Dalton. One could argue that Andy Dalton is the best quarterback in the last 5 years not drafted in the first round, except for Russell Wilson.

Where is the truth here? Are we really inept at finding talent, or are we actually good at finding talent and haven't found the right guy yet?

Are we not even looking because we put too much faith in Romo's body and it's ability to hold up?

This is one of the more interesting dynamics and discussions for this team in my opinion, and probably the most important for the future success of the organization.

Do you think the Cowboys can see quarterback talent and want the right guy, or do you think they're rolling the dice against the future?

I'm not writing this to give an opinion. I want to hear yours. Everyone's.

The future is near will Dallas draft a QB or sign one to replace Romo ?

 

[Sasquatch]

for all the building garrett has three eight and eight seasons one 12 and 4 and this one looking to be eight and eight so I don't really think there has been any thing extraordinary being built here it may take years to find tony replacement. they have wasted the the time of a really good qb mostly wasted seasons with lots of bad free agent moves and draft picks.

I have to concur that one good season amid a few mediocre ones and one hanging in the balance does not suggest that anything has or is being built. Others have made legitimate points about the talent being seemingly better than in the past but without a consistent string of winning seasons that is just an indictment of the coaching.

Of course, I do hope that Garrett and McClay are amassing the pieces to make the team competitive over the next few years, but we need to actually win games for me to heartily endorse that proposition.

 

[xwalker]

I know I have said it before and I will repeat it once more. Seeing how our WR corp fell off without Dez, I would go WR and see IF we have anything in Showers. If Showers can show any improvement next year I would bump him up and cut ties with Weeden and Moore.

If they win some of the upcoming games without Romo, they will likely re-sign Cassel to be the backup next year.

 

[DC Cowboy]

If they win some of the upcoming games without Romo, they will likely re-sign Cassel to be the backup next year.

I would keep Cassel another year as well even if I saw improvement in Showers, the good thing is, he is willing to play ST and if he indeed shows improvement we could almost justify keeping him on the 53 man roster.

 

[rynochop]

I am struggling to find a single franchise who knowingly drafted their future QB while their current QB was still in his prime, outside of Green Bay. Almost everyone goes through a significant lapse of some sort, or they go aggressively after someone in Free Agency. Quarterback is the most difficult position to predict, obviously. I think they have genuinely wanted to and tried to address both potential starters and backups, but the chips just haven't fallen right.They wanted Garrapolo and Dalton but missed out. I think they sincerely believed Weeden would be a great back-up. He wasn't.

I think anyone sitting around coming up with some foggy ideas that the Cowboys have just chosen to ignore the QB position, hasn't really paid attention and/or doesn't understand how difficult it is.

Who replaces Peyton in Denver?
Who replaces Rodgers in Green Bay?
Who replaces Brees in New Orleans?

Quarterbacks don't grow on trees. Every one of these teams is looking at the same issues as we are. New England may even suffer if Garrapolo doesn't work out.

They have and will continue to try and address the Quarterback position, but not when it means handicapping a team that is very close to competing at a championship level right now.

The fact of the matter is, we have drafted and addressed Free Agency just about as well as possible the last several years. I am going to give the team the benefit of the doubt over the arm chair GM's on this one.

Great post..and nobody thought Rodgers was going to be as good as he is. Your first question needs to be asked everytime this topic is brought up.

 

[perrykemp]

Great post..and nobody thought Rodgers was going to be as good as he is. Your first question needs to be asked everytime this topic is brought up.

The year Rodgers came out he had about as much draft buzz as Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert type -- which is to NOBODY was projecting him as a once in a generation talent.

He certainly wasn't considered a "as close to a sure thing as this league has seen" like Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.

Very hard to project college QBs into the NFL.

 

[Longboysfan]

I think the College QB's have the desire.
But not the skill level.
Takes time for that.

 

[Doomsday101]

The year Rodgers came out he had about as much draft buzz as Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert type -- which is to NOBODY was projecting him as a once in a generation talent.

He certainly wasn't considered a "as close to a sure thing as this league has seen" like Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.

Very hard to project college QBs into the NFL.

True but the big advantage Rodgers had was going to Green Bay sitting behind Brett for a couple of years and then when he did hit the field he was surrounded by very good talent. Most QB end up being drafted by poor teams with little talent around them and are pretty much thrown to the wolves. Locker nor Gabbert were going to single handedly change the lack of talent on those teams. When Troy got drafted he faced a similar situation in Dallas a team pretty much depleted talent wise. He did have Irvin but Mike was recovering from major knee injury and he had Walker. Dallas trade of Walker and quickly putting talent around Troy was big in his development and the team success

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the College QB's have the desire.
But not the skill level.
Takes time for that.

True also takes time to put an OL in front of them, get them WR's and other aspects to help him out. We put so much on one player but how often when you look at top QB who are drafted go to the dregs of the NFL and have little support around them?