Jason v Mike

[ElGatoGrande]

You can’t compare the two..

McCarthy is a legit NFL coach.

Garrett was in over his head and should’ve never had the job.

So the guy that was in over his head and built the playoff team over-performed while the legit coach who inherited the playoff team and drove it into the ground under-performed.

 

[rambo2]

Jason Garrett's last 4 years in Dallas:
41-26 with a 1-2 playoff record

Mike McCarthy last 4 years in Dallas: (depending the final game vs Commanders)
44-27 with a 1-3 playoff record

Side Note: The player that cost the Cowboys vs Bengals was given 3 days worth of hugs
Jimmy Johnson would have cut the player

That is one example why THE CULTURE is poor. No accountability.

They needed the player that made the mistake. Jimmy Johnson didn't cut Leon Lett and would never cut a player that he needed.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

Clappy Clown got to stay even after 3 seasons of 8-8 with a more talented roster than MM really ever had.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Jimmy didn't cut Leon Lett for costing a game so I would draw any conclusions by that basics..

He sure as hell cut Curvin Richards for fumbling. You guys don't know your history,, or you selectively ignore the parts that destroy your agenda.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So the guy that was in over his head and built the playoff team over-performed while the legit coach who inherited the playoff team and drove it into the ground under-performed.

What alternate universe are you talking about?

 

[DuncanIso]

Good comparison although IMO McCarthy is significantly better.

So…the one common denominator for our results is Jerry and his chubby son. Hmmm….maybe THEY are the problem no matter who the head coach is.

Not sure Mike is better man….

the 4th downs, play calling, clock mgmt…

that playoff loss was brutal.

 

[Creeper]

McCarthy is the better coach in my mind. Records are not the only factor because they coached different players against different teams.

MM is not perfect. He hs not great managing the final 2 or 3 minutes of the game. Some of his risky decisions are too risky and fail too often. And his teams tend to be poor at executing the details on both sides of the ball - and the penalties.

But Garrett's teams seemed guilty of many of the same issues. It is almost uncanny the way both coaches have some of the same issues - or maybe it is not them?

But MM is still better than Garrett calling plays, managing the game, even in the last 2 minutes.

One thing I have noticed is a lot of NFL coaches are bad managing the clock. It is not just a Dallas thing.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Jimmy didn't cut Leon Lett for costing a game so I would draw any conclusions by that basics..

Leon was a pro bowler. If you make a mistake like that fresh off the practice squad, you're gone. Jimmy once cut a special teamer for sleeping in a meeting.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I disagree . Wasn’t it Leon Lett who played in the snow in the end zone Thanksgiving vs Miami cost Dallas the game . Jimmy didn’t cut him . The players you cut if you want to send a message are on the “asthma field “ they aren’t trying or they aren’t cutting it .

Lett obviously had too much talent to cut he had a sure TD knocked from his hands in the SB against Buffalo …lots of expertise

We won 52-17. That TD was frosting on the cupcake we didn't need.

Leon was a game wrecker inside. Funny how people only remember his 2 biggest mistakes.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Jimmy didn't cut Leon Lett for costing a game so I would draw any conclusions by that basics..

Agreed. But he definitely cut the scrubs if they blew it!

 

[Runwildboys]

I disagree . Wasn’t it Leon Lett who played in the snow in the end zone Thanksgiving vs Miami cost Dallas the game . Jimmy didn’t cut him . The players you cut if you want to send a message are on the “asthma field “ they aren’t trying or they aren’t cutting it .

Lett obviously had too much talent to cut he had a sure TD knocked from his hands in the SB against Buffalo …lots of expertise

Well, the game was already over at that point. That's why you even see Lett laughing about it. I doubt even a JAG would have been cut for that one.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

What alternate universe are you talking about?

Just pointing out absurdities and contradictions since we're ascribing full responsibility to the head coaches. This MM lead team did not get any further than the JG teams as promised even though he inherited a playoff ready team, which begs the question , "what is the real problem?".

 

[Whyjerry]

Garrett’s teams never won big. Never adjusted. Any injury was a big deal and he never covered up for them. They had historically bad defenses under Garrett.

Garrett was a total fraud. There is a reason he is out of coaching at a prime age and no one is talking him up for a new job. Big Mike is way better.

 

[Hadenough]

I had plenty of savants tell me that Garrett was the one holding this perpetual all-star roster back,,, now I guess it's McCarthy.

Actually it's Dak! Both coaches have gotten this team to the playoffs. It's Dak that craps the bed and rolls around in it.

 

[Hadenough]

I told you people it was just a matter of time before Dak gets another coach fired. It should of been last year after the playoffs.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Jason Garrett's last 4 years in Dallas:
41-26 with a 1-2 playoff record

Mike McCarthy last 4 years in Dallas: (depending the final game vs Commanders)
44-27 with a 1-3 playoff record

Side Note: The player that cost the Cowboys vs Bengals was given 3 days worth of hugs
Jimmy Johnson would have cut the player

That is one example why THE CULTURE is poor. No accountability.

Johnson cut Roper because he knew he could send a message to the the bottom of the roster without upsetting the top of the roster.

Roper was a prime candidate because he wasnt even someone Jimmy wanted. He made that trade to help Wandstead, not because he wanted any of the players. Roper wasnt tied in to the other players personally, so no one would really be upset.

Johnson's brilliance was in fact his brilliance. Not his discipline. There are mountains of evidence about how undisciplined that team was

 

[RodeoJake]

Funny how my brain immediately went to Voorhees vs Myers

 

[BoyzBlaster]

This is a depressing thread

Agreed. The most depressing thing about this forum IMO is people still grousing about Garrett, Moore, Romo vs Dak, the Dez non catch, etc......i guess it's a sign of how bad the last 30 years have been and how low this team has sunk. It's like half the posters are stuck in a time warp and never moved on with life.

 

[cowboyed]

When comparing head coaches it is not just about wins and losses it's also about how well this team holds its own competing. I read recently that McCarthy had the same amount of blowout losses in his 5 year tenure than Garrett did in his 10 years. It seems we are more penalty riddles in recent years as well. I also recall when Romo was starting under Garrett there were several years of struggles with the offensive line. Let's put it this way, if you don't get to the post season or advance meaningfully you don't have a post season caliber offensive line or a smothering defense. The majority of this mediocrity and subpar performances falls on upper management including the owner/GM. They also pick the coaching staffing not just the players. When salary cap constrictions and player free agency liberation commenced it was all about curtailing dynasties and giving more teams a chance to compete and possibly win Super Bowls. The only teams in recent years to do so have been the Patriots and the Chiefs.

 

[Cmac]

Jason Garrett's last 4 years in Dallas:
41-26 with a 1-2 playoff record

Mike McCarthy last 4 years in Dallas: (depending the final game vs Commanders)
44-27 with a 1-3 playoff record

Side Note: The player that cost the Cowboys vs Bengals was given 3 days worth of hugs
Jimmy Johnson would have cut the player

That is one example why THE CULTURE is poor. No accountability.

Side Note #2: Fassell would have been relieved of duties with the fake punt decisions.