Jason Williams in Mock Drafts

[Bach]

I don't listen to any of them..... But others seen to want to, so I was only showing that there were several mock drafts that did have Jason Williams going in the 3rd round.....

Oh I see. It's just so confusing to know which mocks, experts, rankings and grades to listen to. It seems since the majority have given us a bad grade many on here have said they are all garbage.

But, upon closer inspection I didn't see Robert Brewster's name in any of the links you provided. So either he was a reach or will we now have to include these sites and mocks in the garbage pile too?

 

[speedkilz88]

Oh I see. It's just so confusing to know which mocks, experts, rankings and grades to listen to. It seems since the majority have given us a bad grade many on here have said they are all garbage.

But, upon closer inspection I didn't see Robert Brewster's name in any of the links you provided. So either he was a reach or will we now have to include these sites and mocks in the garbage pile too?

Brewster is on Rick Gosselin's Top 100. Are you really that dense its been pointed out over and over and over again and you still come back with the same crap?

 

[Bach]

Brewster is on Rick Gosselin's Top 100. Are you really that dense its been pointed out over and over and over again and you still come back with the same crap?

Ah. So Gosselin is correct and EVERYONE else is wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[speedkilz88]

Ah. So Gosselin is correct and EVERYONE else is wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up.

You really are thanks for clearing that up.

 

[theogt]

Ah. So Gosselin is correct and EVERYONE else is wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Is there some definitive guide somewhere such that we can have the absolute call on who is to be drafted where and that someone is a reach if drafted higher? Because it seems you've found this Rosetta Stone.

 

[Bach]

Is there some definitive guide somewhere such that we can have the absolute call on who is to be drafted where and that someone is a reach if drafted higher? Because it seems you've found this Rosetta Stone.

Apparently that ultimate end-all-be-all guide is Mr. Gosselin. Just ask your fellow posters.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

well, BACH, Goose is ranked the top mock draft/top 100 man every year

 

[Bach]

well, BACH, Goose is ranked the top mock draft/top 100 man every year

Therefore he must be the Rosetta Stone theogt is looking for.

 

[Doomsay]

well, BACH, Goose is ranked the top mock draft/top 100 man every year

He is very good, but he hasn't been the top mock draft guy in any of the past 3 years - he has had the highest average score over the period however.

 

[JohnsKey19]

If Williams gets invited to the combine and runs in the 4.4s while displaying quickness/explosiveness in other drills as he did at his pro day, he's a 3rd rounder in all the "experts" mock drafts. Probably a 2nd rounder in some. He would've generated quite a buzz at the combine and that would've carried his stock thru draft day.

 

[SMCowboy]

Ah. So Gosselin is correct and EVERYONE else is wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Well since Gosselin puts together his TOP 100 by talking with NFL personel to see what there draft boards actually are, then if you want to know if you "reached" within the TOP 100, then Gosselin is definately the place to look, because Gosselin sets his board off actual NFL boards. That said, it can't be, and won't be perfect, because all it takes is one team, to value a guy more than the rest of the teams, for a guy to go higher. But, if a guy is rated to go in the 3rd round by Gosselin, and you draft him in the 3rd round, it is definately NOT a reach, because Gosselin created his board off several NFL draft boards, so there are definately several NFL teams that rated a guy as a 3rd round prospect.

 

[Doomsay]

If Williams gets invited to the combine and runs in the 4.4s while displaying quickness/explosiveness in other drills as he did at his pro day, he's a 3rd rounder in all the "experts" mock drafts. Probably a 2nd rounder in some. He would've generated quite a buzz at the combine and that would've carried his stock thru draft day.

It would be great if he could make a claim on that Burnett 3rd down role in camp so we can shed Barbie.

 

[Bach]

Well since Gosselin puts together his TOP 100 by talking with NFL personel to see what there draft boards actually are, then if you want to know if you "reached" within the TOP 100, then Gosselin is definately the place to look, because Gosselin sets his board off actual NFL boards. That said, it can't be, and won't be perfect, because all it takes is one team, to value a guy more than the rest of the teams, for a guy to go higher. But, if a guy is rated to go in the 3rd round by Gosselin, and you draft him in the 3rd round, it is definately NOT a reach, because Gosselin created his board off several NFL draft boards, so there are definately several NFL teams that rated a guy as a 3rd round prospect.

So Gosselin gets to see other teams' draft boards before the draft? Interesting these NFL scouts and officials let some sports writer come and see their inside info.

And, it's good to know Gosselin is the end-all-be-all and we won't have to wait 3-4 years to see how it pans out.

 

[SMCowboy]

So Gosselin gets to see other teams' draft boards before the draft? Interesting these NFL scouts and officials let some sports writer come and see their inside info.

Do you have to try to be so dense, or does it just come naturally?

Here is a quote from his TOP 100: "The Top 100 is compiled based on conversations with NFL general managers, personnel directors, pro and college coaches and scouts."

Is he seeing the actual draft board, no.... But, does he get which round a player will be drafted in, and which players they like the most, ABSOLUTELY.

And, it's good to know Gosselin is the end-all-be-all and we won't have to wait 3-4 years to see how it pans out.

You really must try to be super dense, noone can naturally be this dense.....

Gosselin's board is only as good as the scouts and GM's who he gets the information from, so of course there will be players that the GM's and scouts like that will not make it.

If you want to argue that so and so is not a good player and the scouts are wrong. Then, argue away, scouts differ on is a player will make it or not at times, especially later in the draft.

But, don't argue that a player is a "reach" (if by reach you mean he was drafted higher than other teams felt he should go), when a TOP 100 that is setup by talking with GM's and pro scouts says that he not a reach. Not unless you want to look stupid that is.......

 

[Bob Sacamano]

pss, it's "dense"

 

[Bach]

Do you have to try to be so dence, or does it just come naturally?

Here is a quote from his TOP 100: "The Top 100 is compiled based on conversations with NFL general managers, personnel directors, pro and college coaches and scouts."

Is he seeing the actual draft board, no.... But, does he get which round a player will be drafted in, and which players they like the most, ABSOLUTELY.



You really must try to be super dence, noone can naturally be this dence.....

Gosselin's board is only as good as the scouts and GM's who he gets the information from, so of course there will be players that the GM's and scouts like that will not make it.

If you want to argue that so and so is not a good player and the scouts are wrong. Then, argue away, scouts differ on is a player will make it or not at times, especially later in the draft.

But, don't argue that a player is a "reach" (if by reach you mean he was drafted higher than other teams felt he should go), when a TOP 100 that is setup by talking with GM's and pro scouts says that he not a reach. Not unless you want to look stupid that is.......

It'll be interesting the next time we take a player in the top 100 that isn't in Gosselin's top 100. I'm sure he'll lose his expert/genius status real quick.

But I understand how it goes. 20 "experts" can say a pick a is a reach while one or two claim it wasn't so the vast majority of the fans will fall in line with the one or two they agree with.

Overall however, I posted the first of the week that I'd give us a C-/D+ and most everyone, including Gosselin, has given us a C or D grade or lower. And the general consensus is that ours was significantly lower than that of the Eagles and Giants in our own division.

 

[Bach]

pss, it's "dense"

 

[SMCowboy]

It'll be interesting the next time we take a player in the top 100 that isn't in Gosselin's top 100. I'm sure he'll lose his expert/genius status real quick.

But I understand how it goes. 20 "experts" can say a pick a is a reach while one or two claim it wasn't so the vast majority of the fans will fall in line with the one or two they agree with.

Overall however, I posted the first of the week that I'd give us a C-/D+ and most everyone, including Gosselin, has given us a C or D grade or lower. And the general consensus is that ours was significantly lower than that of the Eagles and Giants in our own division.

The only guide I listen to is Goose's TOP 100, because as I showed in another threat, even Walters Football who is usually in the TOP 3 mock draft sites year after year in the Huddle Report, that after the first 2 rounds, eve he gets the correct Round right only at BEST 30% of the time. So the truth is, those EXPERTS, don't have any idea when someone should be drafted, they throw names out, and every once in a while they get a name right..... To argue otherwise is arguing AGAINST the facts.....

 

[Bach]

The only guide I listen to is Goose's TOP 100, because as I showed in another threat, even Walters Football who is usually in the TOP 3 mock draft sites year after year in the Huddle Report, that after the first 2 rounds, eve he gets the correct Round right only at BEST 30% of the time. So the truth is, those EXPERTS, don't have any idea when someone should be drafted, they throw names out, and every once in a while they get a name right..... To argue otherwise is arguing AGAINST the facts.....

Good thing for us then that Goose is always right and the rest are all wrong.

 

[AdamJT13]

Good thing for us then that Goose is always right and the rest are all wrong.

The rest aren't all wrong. There are several others who are very credible -- mostly those who talk to actual NFL scouts instead of pretending to be one themselves. Gosselin, McGinn, Dougherty and Brandt, especially.