Javon Walker:"I really have no interest in ... playing for Green Bay again."

[theogt]

Tell it to Gene Upshaw. That's the system, you don't have to agree with it. Owners cut players because they can. Players can ask to have their contracts renegotiated but they don't have the power to demand a raise. So making a big fuss or holding out is a waste of everyone's time.

I think you just made his point.

 

[Paniolo22]

Absolutely worth our 2nd round pick.

Really!?! A reciever that had one good season then blew his knee out? I'd be weary of giving a 2nd rnd pick for that.

 

[ravidubey]

Really!?! A reciever that had one good season then blew his knee out? I'd be weary of giving a 2nd rnd pick for that.

I think he's had more than a single good season. He had a dominant year in 2004, but to me the key was that he doubled his production every year during his first three seasons. Some of that was Favre of course, but I saw a talented player. Throw in legit first round pedigree (though some had him slippping into the 2nd) and I'd say we have a winner.

 

[Paniolo22]

I think he's had more than a single good season. He had a dominant year in 2004, but to me the key was that he doubled his production every year during his first three seasons. Some of that was Favre of course, but I saw a talented player. Throw in legit first round pedigree (though some had him slippping into the 2nd) and I'd say we have a winner.

Maybe we could give GB a 6th for him like we did with Terry Glenn. Then I would be for it. A 2nd is too much to offer.

 

[sago1]

I'd certainly take Walker over TO. Normally I don't like players who sign contracts & then try to get out of them. It's different in Walker's case cause he forced sign 7 yr deal as rookie draftee. He wanted more money last year (made around $500,000 in 05 & probably $600,000 this year) but Packers unwilling redo contract. Since he was in 6th season of 7 year deal, I don't think his wanting more money was out of line. Realize Packers probably didn't want redo his contract cause they didn't want create a precedent, but after 05 season (even tho he unable play in 05) they could have quietly redone his contract to at least included incentives he could reasonable meet.

The only question is how much he will cost and has far along is his rehab. Packers can't get a 1st round for him cause of his injury, but 2nd is probable. I just hate trading any of our first day picks. On other hand, would trade 2nd pick in on 07 draft. Wonder if Packers would go for that.

On other hand, I also like WR Chad Jackson in this year's draft but it appears he probably goes late in first round. Of course depending on how many needs we fill in FA, we could select him but frankly I really think we going after LB in first round & probably OL in 2nd round. But you never know what will happen in the draft--except nothing goes according to plans after first 5 picks.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Packers | Walker wants out; doesn't plan to show up to training camp
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:53:39 -0800

Updating ongoing reports, Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports Green Bay Packers WR Javon Walker (knee) has no interest in playing for the Packers again. Walker said he has expressed his feelings to head coach Mike McCarthy and his agent, Kennard McGuire, has asked general manager Ted Thompson to deal Walker to another team. "I just don't feel like this is the best place for me to be right now," Walker said, who doesn't plan to show up for training camp. "If I had to go back there, I'd retire. I don't have to play," Walker noted while also stating he'd be willing to repay a portion of his signing bonus. The source of the bitterness is the team's refusal to discuss his contract, which has one year remaining. However, Walker said money is not the issue at this point.

 

[SALADIN]

I don't like people that play the pay me or trade me card- a contract is a contract

That knife cuts both ways. NFL organizations break contracts all the time.

But I'm sure that Aikman, Emmitt, and most recently Glover will agree with you.

 

[DLCassidy]

That knife cuts both ways.

Actually it doesn't cut both ways in the NFL. That's the point. If it did, the concept of a holdout would have some meaning.

 

[SALADIN]

Actually it doesn't cut both ways in the NFL. That's the point. If it did, the concept of a holdout would have some meaning.

Player ask the teams to "renegotiate" their contracts and teams ask players to "restructure" their contracts.

So actually it does

 

[ghst187]

wow - wonder if we could use ellis to trade for walker. wonder if we should explore it. of all the wr's names to go flying by so far this preFA period, walker intrigues me the most. but damn it to hell he's under 30 and never played for parcells, so we're likely to miss this opportunity.

I think that would be a good deal, esp since we might be able to sign McGuinnest to replace Ellis. McG would fit our 3-4 better and give us a pretty amazing 3-4 DL rotation.

 

[DLCassidy]

Player ask the teams to "renegotiate" their contracts and teams ask players to "restructure" their contracts.

So actually it does

Not true. it's like this: I asked my employer for a new Mercedes and he said no. It was my right to ask but I had zero leverage. If he decides I'm not performing well enough he can fire me at any time. Or he can say "take a pay cut or we're going to lay you off". That's the NFL.

 

[theogt]

Not true. it's like this: I asked my employer for a new Mercedes and he said no. It was my right to ask but I had zero leverage. If he decides I'm not performing well enough he can fire me at any time. Or he can say "take a pay cut or we're going to lay you off". That's the NFL.

This is absolutely not true. The NFL is not 'at will' employment.

 

[BC IN DC]

Tell it to Gene Upshaw. That's the system, you don't have to agree with it. Owners cut players because they can. Players can ask to have their contracts renegotiated but they don't have the power to demand a raise. So making a big fuss or holding out is a waste of everyone's time.

It seemed to work for Hines Ward this past year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Although I like Jevon Walker, I wouldn't want to give anything up for him. I'm hoping he'll be released like T.O.

There would be a market for Walker if GB announced they were seeking a trade. GB would be foolish to cut him outright.

 

[SALADIN]

Not true. it's like this: I asked my employer for a new Mercedes and he said no. It was my right to ask but I had zero leverage. If he decides I'm not performing well enough he can fire me at any time. Or he can say "take a pay cut or we're going to lay you off". That's the NFL.

Not even a close comparison.

Hines Ward and Isaac Bruce are the perfect examples of my point.

Ward had been performed his contract and his employer decided to reward him by renegotiating/change and extending an already EXISTING CONTRACT.

Bruce’s employer decided that (for a few reasons), he wasn’t worth what he would be making this year. His employer asked him to restructure/change an already EXISTING CONTRACT.

And I’m sure that 3-4 years from now Ward will be in the same situation that Bruce found himself in this off season.

Sure you have a right to ask for something that wasn’t agreed on initially but so does your employer. Both sides can change the initial agreement so it works both ways. Both sides can take it or leave it.

 

[SALADIN]

Tell it to Gene Upshaw. That's the system, you don't have to agree with it. Owners cut players because they can. Players can ask to have their contracts renegotiated but they don't have the power to demand a raise. So making a big fuss or holding out is a waste of everyone's time.

Worked like a charm for Emmitt (twice!)...I'm sure it was well worth his time.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If BP and JJ are really making an ALL OUT RUN for a SB... then sign both of them... Terrell and Javon....

give them some money off the books
:money:

 

[NorthDalal]

NFL rookie contracts are generally no better than 5 years rental contracts.

Jevon will come at a reasonable price because of the injury.

There's no reason to over evaluate the value of draft choices just because we're approaching the draft, this 18th pick could just as easily turn into Ebeneezer Ekuban(18th) as Emmit Smith.

Of course he's worth a 1st, let alone a second. He's a bonafide #1 reciever with soft hands and a proven pro record.

Save the Second for Daunte Culpeper and let's go undefeated the seconfd 1/2 of next season as they round into shape.

 

[Hiero]

I'd take him. Not sure what it would take though. He is a bigtime playmaker at WR and is still in his prime.

 

[DLCassidy]

Not even a close comparison.

Hines Ward and Isaac Bruce are the perfect examples of my point.

Ward had been performed his contract and his employer decided to reward him by renegotiating/change and extending an already EXISTING CONTRACT.

Bruce’s employer decided that (for a few reasons), he wasn’t worth what he would be making this year. His employer asked him to restructure/change an already EXISTING CONTRACT.

And I’m sure that 3-4 years from now Ward will be in the same situation that Bruce found himself in this off season.

Sure you have a right to ask for something that wasn’t agreed on initially but so does your employer. Both sides can change the initial agreement so it works both ways. Both sides can take it or leave it.

This is really not that hard. In the NFL, as in real life, the employer holds the hammer. Employees in real life have the same 2 choices players in the NFL have- work/sign where they want and at the best wage you can get on the open market and leave at the end of the agreement if they find a better place to work. But anywhere along the way the employer can say "see ya- not working out".

This isn't baseball where you can loaf, underperform and be a malcontent and the team can basically do nothing about it because you have a guaranteed contract. To me, that's fantasyland.
A guy like Walker would have been underpaid last year if he was healthy. So what? That's the wage scale agreed on by the union based on where you're drafted. It's the same situation for every player. Agree/disagree whatever- it is what it is. Walker really has no right to complain about it. You finish your rookie deal and then you can cash in if you've played well. And if you haven't? The team can cut your ***. It's as American as apple pie.