Jaws Ranks Romo - 10

[theogt]

It really sucks because this now impacts how many games we'll win in 2012.

 

[Aven8]

Put Romo on the Ravens teams all these years. They would talking about multiple SB's. Top 3, etc.

 

[Mountaineerfan]

Except they didn't. Their defense played a HUGE role in them winning.

yeah they both had good or great defenses but I didn't see troy polamalu throw that pass to holmes to win the superbowl. ben may be a slime ball but I'd take him. I don't like eeyore manning the way he mopes but his team sure believes in him.

 

[Nav22]

It really sucks because this now impacts how many games we'll win in 2012.

Yeah, this is meaningless compared to all those other posts that directly affected games!

Not one opinion that has been shared on any message board has ever influenced the outcome of a football game. Sorry if you thought otherwise.

 

[Nav22]

Put Romo on the Ravens teams all these years. They would talking about multiple SB's. Top 3, etc.

Agreed.

 

[JBell]

Except they didn't. Their defense played a HUGE role in them winning.

Eli and Ben WON the games though when it mattered. Since your memory could use some refreshing:

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[JBell]

I witnessed Eli making multiple throws right to defenders that were dropped, and a couple of prayers that were answered by great catches by his receivers. I also saw him get a ton of support from a defense that shut down a number of good/great offenses. Oh, and then there was that PR that muffed two punts deep in his own territory. The man has led a very charmed playoff life in his career. He didn't "will" his team to jack.

There were definitely missed opportunities by his opponents as you pointed out.

Eli made the most of his. That's why he's a champion.

I realize this is a Cowboys message board and we're "supposed" to hate everything Eagles, Commanders, Giants, and Steelers (and Niners, etc.), but take off the homer glasses and try to be a realist for a second.

 

[jobberone]

Even though Romo puts up much better stats while winning a much higher % of his games?

I'd love to hear one reasonable justification for ranking Jay Cutler ahead of Romo. Just one.

Yes, when I WATCH him play there are times he is a better QB than Tony is at times. He has a stronger arm. He is more accurate with certain throws than Tony is although the reverse is true as well. If both were on the sideline I'd start Tony. But I wouldn't hesitate to yank Tony for Cutler if he was on and Tony was having a subpar day.

Either QB is capable of winning a SB so they are going to generally be ranked fairly closely together. I think Tony can generate something from nothing better than Cutler but when Cutler is hot he is hot. Who's better will be determined more by their supporting cast than the differences between the two QBs. JMO.

 

[Bowdown27]

I figured tony would be around the top 10 but no way cutlet and flacco should be in front of him. It's absolute non sense.

 

[Picksix]

There were definitely missed opportunities by his opponents as you pointed out.

Eli made the most of his. That's why he's a champion.

I realize this is a Cowboys message board and we're "supposed" to hate everything Eagles, Commanders, Giants, and Steelers (and Niners, etc.), but take off the homer glasses and try to be a realist for a second.

Because you know me so well.



That's a lot of labels, assumptions, and generalizations in one sentence. So you think that's what I'm doing? Just plain hating on Eli because he's a Giant? Sure, why not? You're just calling it like you see it - which is exactly what I'm doing when it comes to how Eli has played in the playoffs. There's a difference between hating and being critical. I never said he was terrible, and that he had nothing to do with his team's success. He did lead his team on two SB winning drives. He has a good playoff completion percentage (61.5) and passer rating (89), and a TD/INT ratio of better than 2:1.

But acknowledging that he had significant help, and got away with multiple mistakes that could have (and should have) ended his team's season, doesn't make me any more of a homer or hater, or any less of a realist, than anyone on this board, including - and perhaps especially - you.

 

[Nav22]

Eli and Ben WON the games though when it mattered. Since your memory could use some refreshing:

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In each of those games, the Super Bowl-winning D played better than the Super Bowl-winning O did.

Pittsburgh's D held Arizona to 23 points and scored a defensive TD at the end of the 1st half. And the Giants D, in both Super Bowl wins against the Patriots, made the usually outstanding Patriots offense look downright pedestrian.

Those were the biggest factors in those wins for the Steelers and Giants, not the play of Big Ben/Eli. The Steelers O only scored 20 points against a mediocre Cardinals D, and the Giants won while scoring just SEVENTEEN points against a team that had arguably the best O in recent NFL history ('07 Patriots).

Thanks for refreshing our memories.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Its atleast debatable. We as fans may not like it but there are arguments for why Flacco, Rivers and Cutler are better than Romo. I wouldn't argue it but there surely is a argument. You can argue that River and Flacco play much better in December than Romo does.

 

[JBell]

In each of those games, the Super Bowl-winning D played better than the Super Bowl-winning O did.

That's debatable, but that's not what I'm arguing. My original statement was that Eli and Ben willed their teams to victory in their 2nd SB wins. I don't know what your definition of willing a team to victory is, but orchestrating two last minute go-ahead TD drives is my definition of "willing" a team to victory.

Pittsburgh's D held Arizona to 23 points

Is that supposed to be good?

That great Pittsburgh defense let Warner and the Cardinals take the lead on a long TD pass to Fitz with under 3 minutes. Ben had to bail his defense out.

and scored a defensive TD at the end of the 1st half. And the Giants D, in both Super Bowl wins against the Patriots, made the usually outstanding Patriots offense look downright pedestrian.

Those were the biggest factors in those wins for the Steelers and Giants, not the play of Big Ben/Eli.

I already pointed out how the Steelers D folded late against Arizona's offense.

The Giants defense definitely deserves a lot of credit for both of their SB wins (Especially the first one because that '07 Pats offense is one of the best of all-time).

But Eli didn't exactly Trent Dilfer his way to two rings.

Because you know me so well.



That's a lot of labels, assumptions, and generalizations in one sentence. So you think that's what I'm doing? Just plain hating on Eli because he's a Giant? Sure, why not? You're just calling it like you see it - which is exactly what I'm doing when it comes to how Eli has played in the playoffs. There's a difference between hating and being critical. I never said he was terrible, and that he had nothing to do with his team's success. He did lead his team on two SB winning drives. He has a good playoff completion percentage (61.5) and passer rating (89), and a TD/INT ratio of better than 2:1.

But acknowledging that he had significant help, and got away with multiple mistakes that could have (and should have) ended his team's season, doesn't make me any more of a homer or hater, or any less of a realist, than anyone on this board, including - and perhaps especially - you.

Maybe I was wrong for assuming that you were a hater, but can you blame me after you posted this:

I witnessed Eli making multiple throws right to defenders that were dropped, and a couple of prayers that were answered by great catches by his receivers. I also saw him get a ton of support from a defense that shut down a number of good/great offenses. Oh, and then there was that PR that muffed two punts deep in his own territory. The man has led a very charmed playoff life in his career. He didn't "will" his team to jack.

You acknowledged that Eli has led two game winning drives in your most recent post, yet here you state he didn't will his team to "jack".

 

[WoodysGirl]

Jaws' QB countdown: Tony Romo is No. 10

July, 1, 2012Jul 1
10:23
AM ET

By Dan Graziano | ESPN.com

The early part of the segment focused on a 20-yard completion Romo made to Dez Bryant on third-and-9 on "Monday Night Football" against the Commanders last year. Jaws raved about the way Romo "recognized the blitz, set the protection and held his cadence to minimize Washington's aggressiveness" and touted it as an example of Romo's excellent "anticipation vs. man-to-man coverage."

"There's an instinctive awareness to Romo's play that I've always liked," Jaworski said. "He's always been able to move within the pocket, and he's also very good at extending plays outside the pocket, especially moving to his left. That's not easy for a right-handed quarterback to do."

Jaws also looked at a pair of long touchdown passes to Jason Witten, including one against Seattle on which Romo held safety Earl Thomas in place by keeping his eyes looking right before throwing to Witten in the seam on the left side. He said that Romo's ability to manipulate safeties "jumped out" when he re-evaluated Romo for this project.

And then there's this:

"I've always sensed the perception of Romo was that he turned the ball over too much," Jaws said. "That is dead wrong. In his last two full seasons, he's only thrown 19 interceptions in almost 1,100 attempts. That, my friends, is outstanding. Romo is, without question, a top-10 quarterback."

Read more: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/40525/jaws-qb-countdown-tony-romo-is-no-10

 

[Nav22]

My original statement was that Eli and Ben willed their teams to victory in their 2nd SB wins.

My opinion: when you're only scoring in the 17-20 point range offensively and still manage to win the game, there's no way the QB/offense should receive more credit than the defense. Game-winning drive or not.

Those games never would have come down to any last drive heroics if the defenses had allowed Kurt Warner and Tom Brady to play like the MVP-level QBs they were.

Is that supposed to be good?

It is good. The Cardinals O had scored 30+ in each of their 4 previous games before the Super Bowl.

And when you consider that the Steelers D scored 7 points as well, the Cardinals offense's net points was actually just 16.

But Eli didn't exactly Trent Dilfer his way to two rings.

The point is that "rings" is a terrible barometer to use for measuring an individual player's worth in a team sport.

 

[MarkP88]

I'm not sure why a #10 ranking is such an insult. Sure, I love Romo, and I prefer him to Flacco and Cutler -- but I don't think ranking him at 10 is so horrible. All these guys are excellent players.

It's perfectly natural for folks to rank the guys who've had playoff success closer to the top. All this is totally subjective, even when the person whose opinion we're reading is well informed, like Jaws' is.

My two cents.

Mark

 

[ufcrules1]

Yes, when I WATCH him play there are times he is a better QB than Tony is at times. He has a stronger arm. He is more accurate with certain throws than Tony is although the reverse is true as well. If both were on the sideline I'd start Tony. But I wouldn't hesitate to yank Tony for Cutler if he was on and Tony was having a subpar day.

Either QB is capable of winning a SB so they are going to generally be ranked fairly closely together. I think Tony can generate something from nothing better than Cutler but when Cutler is hot he is hot. Who's better will be determined more by their supporting cast than the differences between the two QBs. JMO.

Good post. Cutler is one of the most underrated QB's playing right now. He always looks like a baby on the sidelines but that dude can play. I always hated him too but now I'm having to give him respect. I think he is becoming a great QB. Same goes for Eli, I never liked him but he has wow'ed me. He is elite period. Top 5.

 

[DFWJC]

I'm not sure why a #10 ranking is such an insult. Sure, I love Romo, and I prefer him to Flacco and Cutler -- but I don't think ranking him at 10 is so horrible. All these guys are excellent players.

It's perfectly natural for folks to rank the guys who've had playoff success closer to the top. All this is totally subjective, even when the person whose opinion we're reading is well informed, like Jaws' is.

My two cents.

Mark

I agree....

though it is a stretch to call Flacco "great" at this stage in career. Put him up against a decent (but not great) QB like David Garrard you'll not see much difference. In fact, DG has been better stats-wise with a much worse team.

 

[ufcrules1]

I agree....

though it is a stretch to call Flacco "great" at this stage in career. Put him up against a decent (but not great) QB like David Garrard you'll not see much difference. In fact, DG has been better stats-wise with a much worse team.

Flacco is dramatically underrated. He has his off games just like any other QB out there but I will tell you this... he outplayed Brady in the AFC Championship and under a ton of pressure threw a perfectly thrown ball to Lee Evans who simply could not hold on to it. Flacco is very calm and collected under pressure and has a rocket arm. His only decent WR right now is Boldin.

This is Flacco in the AFC championship game with 29 seconds on the clock and the game on the line. That is 100% Lee Evans not realizing the magnitude of the situation and LETTING the defender knock it out due to not paying enough attention.

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[Doomsday101]

Flacco is dramatically underrated. He has his off games just like any other QB out there but I will tell you this... he outplayed Brady in the AFC Championship and under a ton of pressure threw a perfectly thrown ball to Lee Evans who simply could not hold on to it. Flacco is very calm and collected under pressure and has a rocket arm. His only decent WR right now is Boldin.

This is Flacco in the AFC championship game with 29 seconds on the clock and the game on the line. That is 100% Lee Evans not realizing the magnitude of the situation and LETTING the defender knock it out due to not paying enough attention.

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So Evans was the cause and Flacco is off the hook, yet Romo was on the hook because Austin failed to locate the ball on a pass that would have sealed the Giants fate and put Dallas in the playoffs?