Jaylon Smith Activation/Practice Window? **merged**

[waldoputty]

Mechanically, I think people recover fine from ACLs with little or no impact to peak performance. The issue comes in when a guy doesn't trust his leg for planting and cutting, which happens commonly.

The other thing that happens a lot is players rely too much on their good legs and end up blowing out ligaments on that side, too, as a result. I don't think it's a thing you can do too much bout until you're on the field, running and hitting.

Having blown 2 right ACLs, though, I know it's mentally tough to overcome the protective bias. Getting both legs fully up to previous musculature helps a lot with that, though. Personally, I had my greatest success when I got my legs in better shape than they were ever in before my blowout. Prior to that, it was in my head quite a bit.

Wow, sorry to hear about the history.
Guess you enjoy your sports.
Good to hear that there is not much impact on peak performance.

 

[the_h0wey]

Yea but the other 60% it doesn't.

I trust your math

 

[Verdict]

It sounds like that

Teams have a six-week window (day after Week 6 to day after Week 11) during which the player can return to practice. If the player is not ready by then, the player either has to be released or moved to season-ending IR. Once a player returns to practice, teams have an extra three-week window before they have to activate the player to the 53-man roster (or release or IR him).

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016...l-roster-designations-injured-reserve-pup-nfi

I assume that practicing doesn't really mean practicing. As long as he goes to the active roster by the deadline he could probably play when he is healthy. Does anyone have info to the contrary? I mean for all intents and purposes he is probably technically able to practice right now doing what he is already doing physically.

 

[waldoputty]

It sounds like that


I assume that practicing doesn't really mean practicing. As long as he goes to the active roster by the deadline he could probably play when he is healthy. Does anyone have info to the contrary? I mean for all intents and purposes he is probably technically able to practice right now doing what he is already doing physically.

Not sure what Limited Practice exactly means in the daily injury reports.

But I suspect the team is holding out till the last minute before devoting a roster space to the 'potential' of having Jaylon back near the end of the season.
Obviously in case of injury.

 

[Verdict]

Not sure what Limited Practice exactly means in the daily injury reports.

But I suspect the team is holding out till the last minute before devoting a roster space to the 'potential' of having Jaylon back near the end of the season.
Obviously in case of injury.

My guess is that if Smith had a 50/50 chance of playing in the playoffs they would use a roster spot on him, provided it isn't strictly prohibited by the rules. If he had to pass some sort of objective physical by rule, then that would be a different story.

 

[Echo9]

I was wondering if anyone knows statistics of recent ACL surgeries for young players like Jaylon Smith.
Obviously, the concern is the ACL injury may rob him of some speed and quickness, despite how hard he rehabs. One of his calling cards is his 4.4 speed, obviously...

I know a lot of people think the ligament part is now trivial, but was curious about these stats.

Would appreciate if we stay on topic for ACL recovery assuming Jaylon's nerve fully recovers, but not about Jaylon's nerve recovery. Thanks.

But we haven't discussed the nerve angle much. I think that's way more important.

Kidding. Sorry 'bout that.

Anyway, from reports back in August, it looks as though the ligament aspect of the injury is fully healed.

 

[T-RO]

Having blown 2 right ACLs, though, I know it's mentally tough to overcome the protective bias.

I feel it!

I blew out my first knee in high school...and second in college. ACL back in the day pretty much meant your knee was forever in a brace and forever half useless. In the end for me... 4 ACL surgeries... 2 bum knees.

Yes...protective bias was incredible. For quite awhile I was worried my leg would fall.

 

[waldoputty]

Dont shoot me - here is another tweet - stars are aligning for an unlikely perfect storm (hopefully)









mike fisher ✭Verified account‏@fishsports
Nice sight: Jaylon Smith in weight room alongside Randy Gregory. Not ready to help #Cowboys but maybe nice enough they're helping each other

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dont shoot me - here is another tweet - stars are aligning for an unlikely perfect storm (hopefully)









mike fisher ✭Verified account‏@fishsports
Nice sight: Jaylon Smith in weight room alongside Randy Gregory. Not ready to help #Cowboys but maybe nice enough they're helping each other

Leader doing leadership things.

 

[waldoputty]

Leader doing leadership things.

Yes, lets hope some of Jaylon rubbing off on Randy to counteract the Hardy filth.
I feel pretty confident with Jaylon that it would not be the other way around.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Has there been any new development?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Could you imagine if both of them came back week 16 and bolstered our defense for a playoff run? *shudder*

Stanger things have happened, but the odds of either being ready to contribute this year are very slim. Both are more likely 2017 contributors

 

[waldoputty]

Could you imagine if both of them came back week 16 and bolstered our defense for a playoff run? *shudder*

Hello Mr. Brady, how do you do?
BTW, you need to score almost every possession to match our offense...

Nickel
CB1 Mo/Irving
LDE Tank
1Tech Collins
3Tech Mcclain
RDE Gregory *
CB2 OScan
CB3 Carr
LB1 Jaylon *
LB2 Lee
FS Jones
SS Church

 

[Jstopper]

Stanger things have happened, but the odds of either being ready to contribute this year are very slim. Both are more likely 2017 contributors

Before this season people would have said the odds of us going 5-1 with a rookie qb and rb were slim too. Just something to keep in mind

 

[Reality]

**** This the final warning! ****

Keep this thread on-topic!

Take the Off-topic discussions to the Off-topic Zone where they belong!

 

[Sydla]

Has there been any new development?

I don't believe so.

It's wait and see time as to whether he starts practicing by Nov 7th.

 

[Nightman]

He either keeps getting good news or he is the most positive up beat guy on Twitter

 

[Doc50]

Mechanically, I think people recover fine from ACLs with little or no impact to peak performance. The issue comes in when a guy doesn't trust his leg for planting and cutting, which happens commonly.

The other thing that happens a lot is players rely too much on their good legs and end up blowing out ligaments on that side, too, as a result. I don't think it's a thing you can do too much bout until you're on the field, running and hitting.

Having blown 2 right ACLs, though, I know it's mentally tough to overcome the protective bias. Getting both legs fully up to previous musculature helps a lot with that, though. Personally, I had my greatest success when I got my legs in better shape than they were ever in before my blowout. Prior to that, it was in my head quite a bit.

Yeah, it's easy for an athlete to lose his beast mode after such a serious injury, especially if playing a high contact position like RB or LB.

There's a study in the Aug 2014 Journal of Orthopedics regarding 13 NFL QB's with ACL repair. It was controlled, had strict inclusion and exclusion criteria, and followed the subjects for 5 years. 12 of the QB's returned to play (92%) in a mean recovery period of 13 months. Furthermore, measuring selected functional criteria, there was no significant deficit of performance when comparing the control group with the injured group. Of course, we wouldn't expect QB's (Romo and Meredith excluded) to endure as much contact as other positions.

 

[Doc50]

I was wondering if anyone knows statistics of recent ACL surgeries for young players like Jaylon Smith.
Obviously, the concern is the ACL injury may rob him of some speed and quickness, despite how hard he rehabs. One of his calling cards is his 4.4 speed, obviously...

I know a lot of people think the ligament part is now trivial, but was curious about these stats.

Would appreciate if we stay on topic for ACL recovery assuming Jaylon's nerve fully recovers, but not about Jaylon's nerve recovery. Thanks.

I guess the poster child for ACL recovery would have to be Adrian Peterson. He had the second best rushing total ever, the year following his injury. Another who was fully recovered after only nine months was Wes Welker. Both rely heavily on the speed, strength, agility, and durability of their legs. They had the absolute best of everything regarding surgery and rehab, and they're elite athletes, so the odds of complete recovery should be the most favorable.

So what about the difficult case of Derek Rose?
Unfortunately, proper tissue granulation and maturation just gets derailed sometimes, and outcomes can fall short of reasonable expectations. Some things are just out of our control.

The broad ACL recovery stats include high school, college, and pros. Amateur athletes are not privy to the very best care, may not be as highly motivated, may not be athletically elite, and are likely to have a window of competitive opportunity that starts to close with a serious injury. They are much more inclined to run out of time to full recovery (possibly up to 2 years), so that their team and, consequently their potential athletic careers, have moved on. Therefore, the return to previous level of performance is less likely.

So, upon review of several retrospective studies, the general statistics don't look as promising as we've seen in the NFL. The complete recovery median numbers are only 50-75% on average, compiling data from several sources. Reinjury median rates have been reported from 15-25%; this is another stat that is skewed by those who had less than comprehensive rehab and/or surgical care.

Earlier, I referenced one small but well-designed study of 12 NFL QBs, which demonstrated a full recovery rate of 92%. On a case-by-case basis, the complete return to pre-injury performance in the NFL has been in the 85% range.