Jerry: Hurd or Austin #1 WRs?

[big dog cowboy]

jerry is the one making the decisions...like I have always told you guys...he doesnt know footballlllllllll! why must you fight me on this....look at this latest statement! you just make yourselves look foolish...dont let the homer glasses fool you!

OK I just reread what he said. How did that make him look like a fool?

 

[LD Fan]

If you look up the job description for a general manager you will soon find out it involves more than writing checks. Fans are amazingly arrogant. Just because they follow a team and indulge in learning a little about football from the outside in they assume they know what is best, and how good or bad a coach, manager, owner or player is.

If Jones truly believes Hurd or Austin could be developed into No. 1 receivers it would be based not only on his observations but from input or feedback from the present and past coaching staff which would include Parcells.

On the other hand he could be feigning for drafting purposes.

You mean like when Quincy was drafted or the heist Seattle pulled off for Galloway. I got it.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

You mean like when Quincy was drafted or the heist Seattle pulled off for Galloway. I got it.

:laugh2: :bang2: :laugh2: :bang2: :laugh2: :bang2: So funny but yet so disappointing. Didn't the QB coach of the Cowboys at that time, I forget who it was, have to teach Quincy how to throw a spiral. Also I didn't hear this from any other place at that time, but a friend told me that he saw an interview with the Georgia HC when Q was there, and this HC said if Q came back to Georgia and didn't go into the draft, that Q wouldn't have even started for Georgia in '01. Like I said I don't know if that's true, but it wouldn't surprize me. That's sound GM work right there. Jerry's always fallin' for dat foo's gold.:

 

[YoungBuck]

I think y'all are a little too quick to dismiss this comment just becuase these players wern't drafted. Sam Hurd may be a decent #3 posession WR, but Miles Austin has all the talent to maybe one day be that #1 guy.

I'll break this down

- For those that caught the ESPN "on the clock" episode with the cowboys, Mel Kiper thought Austin had enough talent that he could have gone as high as the 3rd/4th round. The level of competition scared a lot of teams off and he fell, not because he wasn't a top notch WR.

I think Kiper is an idiot and hate using him as an example, so I'll present another more trusted source:

Miles Austin, WR, Monmouth (NJ)

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Name: [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Miles Austin[/FONT]
College: [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Monmouth (NJ)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Number: [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]80[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Position: [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]WR[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Pos2:[/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Class/Draft Year:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Sr/2006[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]40 Time:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]4.47[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]40 Low:[/SIZE][/FONT] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]40 High:[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Rated number [FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]20[/SIZE][/FONT] out of 212 WR's[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]149[/SIZE][/FONT] / 1722 TOTAL[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]

- According to those like Grizz that were at training camp in Oxnard, Austin looked like he was having a really hard time adjusting from Monmouth to the NFL, and looked lost. Then in the preseason he was rarely used and finished with 1 catch for 40+ yds and a TD. Despite all that, he was such a hot prospect that Bill thought it was way too risky to sneak him onto the practice squad, and instead kept him on the 53 man roster.

There were more than one press conferences where Bill would gush over Austin's potential as a WR. I think he's a special player to watch develop, and as evident by the playoff game, he seems to have adjusted to the speed of the game.

 

[cowboyed]

You mean like when Quincy was drafted or the heist Seattle pulled off for Galloway. I got it.

So tell me LD and supercows what would you have done while we were were trying to work around the talent drain with free agency and the salary cap being in full swing back in the Quincy days.

As far as Jones being a better GM goes I am stating this in the context of recent history. Please name me a general manager who has a perfect draft selection history since the advent of free agency and the salary cap. While you are at it kindly enlighten me of how many GMs or owners positioned their team to win 3 Superbowls within the last 15 years besides the Patriots.

It is easy to focus on a handful of poor decisions Jones made but have convenient memory lapses about the right decisions that were made by Jones. I don't think Jones has been a stellar GM by any stretch but most certainly he has been improving. He has also been recognized as one of the top GMs and owners in the NFL.

Parcells was a great talent evaluator and most definitely helped build our team talent base. But in his 4 years as Cowboys head coach with unprecedented authority he had a number of serious drafting blunders.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

So tell me LD and supercows what would you have done while we were were trying to work around the talent drain with free agency and the salary cap being in full swing back in the Quincy days.

Uhhh.....not draft Quincy, nobody put a gun to Jerry's head to make him do that, don't make it sound as if he had no choice but to draft the "Q".

As far as Jones being a better GM goes I am stating this in the context of recent history. Please name me a general manager who has a perfect draft selection history since the advent of free agency and the salary cap.

Of course you are flying off the handle asking for PERFECT. How about just adequate. You seem to have trouble seeing that when Bill came here our drafts improved dramatically even with the blunders he made. I find it sad that Jerry who was a key owner to help develope the salary cap and free agency, manages his team as if he's clueless how to build a competitive team in this era. And when I say competitive I mean winning in the playoffs.

While you are at it kindly enlighten me of how many GMs or owners positioned their team to win 3 Superbowls within the last 15 years besides the Patriots.

This is a typical Jerry defense, and of course Jimmy had absolutely nothing to do with the dynasty, it was ALL Jerry's wheelin' and dealin'. So where are all the brilliant trades now, but I guess you think the Galloway trade was brilliant!

It is easy to focus on a handful of poor decisions Jones made but have convenient memory lapses about the right decisions that were made by Jones.

Please refresh my memory, besides hiring Jimmy or drafting Larry Allen. Oh and for the record Jimmy deserves a SB ring for that '95 team also.

I don't think Jones has been a stellar GM by any stretch but most certainly he has been improving.

So why are we having this argument? LOL!

He has also been recognized as one of the top GMs and owners in the NFL.

BY WHO??? Matt Millen??? If you don't think he has been a stellar GM, then why would those who know what they're doing recognize him as a top GM, he's good as an owner except the owner needs to fire the GM.

Parcells was a great talent evaluator and most definitely helped build our team talent base. But in his 4 years as Cowboys head coach with unprecedented authority he had a number of serious drafting blunders.

And even with his draft blunders his drafts were still head and shoulders better than any of Jerry's drafts, as I stated above.

 

[cowboyed]

TO SUPERCOWS:

I was never a big fan of Quincy Carter. I am glad Jones finally cut him. But certainly he had talent. If it wasn't for his off the field loco weed escapades and immaturity he would still be the starting quarterback of the Cowboys for a long time to come. Bill Parcells was solidly behind Carter so Jones getting Carter in the second round wasn't that far a stretch in retrospect.

Of course you are flying off the handle asking for PERFECT. How about just adequate. You seem to have trouble seeing that when Bill came here our drafts improved dramatically even with the blunders he made. I find it sad that Jerry who was a key owner to help develope the salary cap and free agency, manages his team as if he's clueless how to build a competitive team in this era. And when I say competitive I mean winning in the playoffs.

Again I stated that Jones wasn't the perfect general manager and that he has improved. I responded from that standpoint that you overlook all the other GM responsibilities. You are in the minority if you don't believe that Jones is doing an adequate, even good job at general managing these days. Also Jones has been honored as an owner and recognized within the Top 10 by Forbes and that goes beyond fan prejudice.

Before you undoubtedly pan Forbes keep in mind there are a lot of key responsibilities to general managing beyond picking players. Negotiating contracts, hiring coaches, and ensuring the franchise is well managed overall and continues to grow. This franchise is in the top 3 in terms of current value. That wasn't the case when he bought the Cowboys in 1989. Jones developed new revenue generation strategies to ensure the team would be consistently viable in the long term.

Now we are poised to play in a billion dollar stadium and have a bright future ahead of us including a stronger possibility to host a Superbowl game in the near future. This is largely due to the efforts of Jerry Jones not just as owner but general manager as well.

This is a typical Jerry defense, and of course Jimmy had absolutely nothing to do with the dynasty, it was ALL Jerry's wheelin' and dealin'. So where are all the brilliant trades now, but I guess you think the Galloway trade was brilliant!

Where did I state that Jimmy Johnson had nothing to do with our success or imply that Galloway was worth the price. But back then there were quite a number of people who wanted that deal done as well. In retrospect Galloway was not as productive as he should have been. Jones has already indicated that he would not do that again so give him some credit for acknowledging his mistake and moving on, unlike you who will haunt him into perpetuity.

So if the general manager hires a long shot college coach and is wildly successful with him in the NFL doesn't he deserve credit??? By the way how well did Jimmy Johnson do in Miami without that inept general manager and meddling owner?

BY WHO??? Matt Millen??? If you don't think he has been a stellar GM, then why would those who know what they're doing recognize him as a top GM, he's good as an owner except the owner needs to fire the GM.

You can be imperfect and still accomplish a lot. See Forbes let alone a number of analysts, commentators and writers.

Besides acquiring Larry Allen and Jimmy Johnson Jones also had a hand in acquiring Roy Williams, Dexter Coakley, Andre Gurode, etc.. You know, it really doesn't matter. Picking players has more often than not been a vote by committee affair with Jones casting the tie breaker. When Parcells came on board they deferred to his preferences. Some of that turned out very good and some of that turned out bad like Jacob Rogers.

So the bottom line from my perspective is that Jones has had an overall beneficial effect on this franchise with pockets of failure precipitated with the onset of free agency and the salary cap and the loss of key players and coaching talent. His inexperience at times made matters worse.

And even with his draft blunders his drafts were still head and shoulders better than any of Jerry's drafts, as I stated above.[/quote]

Parcells drafts overall have been more successful than failed but Jones has allowed Parcells to go at it. But hey let me adopt your glib and unfair mentality relative to Jones as follows...

Parcells is a colossal disappointment because despite his vast experience or credentials, the unprecedented coaching power and drafting and free agent acquisition authority he has proved to be clueless.

In his 4 year tenure Parcells proved he can't keep a team consistently competitive in the late stretches of each season. But when he is able to get into the playoffs the only thing he ensures is the team's early exit. This guy continues to validate that he is not a credible coach but that he does have a decent eye for talented players. Most of his success can be attributed to his assistant coaches like Belichick.

What a lucky guy Parcells was in reality....

 

[zrinkill]

You are wasting your time cowboyed ....... he made up his mind along time ago that Jerry is the devil ..... facts do not matter.

 

[cowboyed]

You are wasting your time cowboyed ....... he made up his mind along time ago that Jerry is the devil ..... facts do not matter.

I read you loud and clear zrinkill. What vexes me is the degree Jones gets bashed by certain Cowboys fans. Heck we know he has pulled some real idiotic moves once in a while. But overall I believe he has done an excellent job as an owner and now is demonstrating he can be an effective general manager.

This is admirable considering as old as Jones is he is still improving. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I admit I will always be forgiving of Jones because rarely do you get an owner and general manager who has such a passion for the team and the game of football. And unlike most owners he acknowledges the fans from their perspective and expectations.