Jerry Jones coming up on TheFan105.3 in a few minutes

[Bluefin]

Point is that we haven't forever - hence the wasted cap money and draft picks expended on Roy Williams and a scrub like Hurd being thrown to twice to win a game.

If we had drafted a receiver instead of trading for Roy Williams, then he might been hurt or worse, a complete bust.

Sam Hurd was only in the game because a starter was injured and he's a good fourth receiver. Those guys are counted on more for special teams than they are regular offense.

And like I said before Jerry didn't answer the question about targeting certain receivers and not getting the chance to draft them where we had them slotted.

I know for a fact Jerry wanted to trade up in '08 to get James Hardy in the second round and couldn't find anyone in the war room to agree with his idea. Hardy hasn't set the league on fire yet with Buffalo and is currently on PUP, but it shows that we have at least looked at drafting the position.

Rumor has it we also really liked Greg Jennings in '06 only to see the Packers take him one spot ahead of us. We reportedly also liked Steve Smith in '07 along with Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi in the 2nd round this year.

It isn't simply about not drafting a position.

You can't just say you're going to take a position in a certain round no matter who might be available.

It depends on the players still on the board and your need at the position versus others.

 

[Bach]

It isn't simply about not drafting a position.

You can't just say you're going to take a position in a certain round no matter who might be available.

It depends on the players still on the board and your need at the position versus others.

We've only selected a WR in the 1st or 2nd rounds once in the last 15 years. I can't believe we've never had a need for a WR 14 of the last 15 years - or that none were available when we picked who were worth taking in the first two rounds all of those years.

Somehow we took a WR in the the first or second round 4 times in 5 years that Jimmy was in the draft room. But since he left only 1 time in 15 years. That's not just coincidence or misfortune.

 

[Bluefin]

So, since Jimmy left following the '93 season, we have yet to take a WR in the first round and have only drafted a receiver in the 2nd round once.

And we've traded 3 firsts and a third on the position, so it isn't like we've ignored it.

And I would much rather draft the position than trade for for it, but Jerry considers the latter minimizing risks.

In the five drafts that Jimmy Johnson was here for we selected 4 WR's in the first 2 rounds: Alexander Wright (2nd), Alvin Harper (1st), Jimmy Smith (2nd) and Kevin Williams (2nd).

I think I'd take Jimmy's philosophy over Jerry's any day.

Alexander Wright was awful and Kevin Smith was little more than a punt returner.

Alvin Harper was outstanding as a big play threat, but completely incapable of being anything more than that.

Jimmy Smith was a fantastic player whose career was nearly derailed by injuries before it even began.

So even Jimmy was only hitting at a 50% clip and we gave up on the best of the bunch because we thought his career was over.

It isn't all about identifying talent.

The players need to be mature enough to handle NFL life and any obstacles that present themselves.

TE Anthony Fasano was a complete dreg while in Dallas due to simply accepting he'd never be able to get past Jason Witten and it showed in his play.

He got a fresh start in Miami and has made the most of it.

Antonio Bryant couldn't handle having "FOBs" in front of him and all but forced the team to move him with his behavior. He then nearly smoked himself out of the league before getting a fourth chance with Tampa Bay.

 

[Bach]

And we've traded 3 firsts and a third on the position, so it isn't like we've ignored it.

And I would much rather draft the position than trade for for it, but Jerry considers the latter minimizing risks.

That's because Jerry is a moron.

Alexander Wright was awful and Kevin Smith was little more than a punt returner.

Alvin Harper was outstanding as a big play threat, but completely incapable of being anything more than that.

Jimmy Smith was a fantastic player whose career was nearly derailed by injuries before it even began.

So even Jimmy was only hitting at a 50% clip and we gave up on the best of the bunch because we thought his career was over.

It isn't all about identifying talent.

The players need to be mature enough to handle NFL life and any obstacles that present themselves.

TE Anthony Fasano was a complete dreg while in Dallas due to simply accepting he'd never be able to get past Jason Witten and it showed in his play.

He got a fresh start in Miami and has made the most of it.

Antonio Bryant couldn't handle having "FOBs" in front of him and all but forced the team to move him with his behavior. He then nearly smoked himself out of the league before getting a fourth chance with Tampa Bay.

Alvin Harper, Jimmy Smith and Kevin Williams were all solid picks and players. Alexander Wright was the only one of the four that didn't pan out.

That's 75% and not too bad. I'll take Kevin Williams over the majority of 2nd rounders Jerry Jones has taken over the last 15 years. We can only dream of most of 2nd rounders over that time being as good as Kevin Williams. He was a great return man and a quality #3 WR. He'd easily be a starter on this years team.

I love the way you try to downplay all four of them when 3 of the 4 made major contributions. Too bad Jimmy Smith got hurt and ended up making his for the Jags though.

 

[Hostile]

I would love to grab a WR in the 1st. Dez Bryant from Oklahoma State or Damien Williams of USC. The problem is, this is not a deep WR Draft. I won't be shocked if one isn't taken in round 1. There would be a 2nd round run though.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Jerry, still a *******. The same old 'it takes 2-3 years' excuse. How many other positions have we drafted over the years where it took the player 2-3 years, or never, to develop? And we've all seen WR's make an impact as rookies.

Typically rookie WR's do not make an impact. Jerry is right about that. The history in the league shows that.

That being said, I don't agree with the assessment that you shouldn't draft a WR high because they won't likely make an impact their rookie year. Not making an impact on your rookie year isn't always a big deal and relying on the FA market to help out is so much more riskier. So draft a WR in the first round, develop him for a year, hopefully if he's as good as the scouts say he is, then he'll hopefully turn in a pretty good 2nd year and then be ready to blossom in year 3.

Funny how Jerry the 'risk taker' shies away from taking this type of risk.





YAKUZA

 

[craig71]

I think draft strategy or lack of played into the reason that no receivers were taken in the first 3 rounds.It seemed that this team team drafted for need or backups from around 1994 up until atleast the Campo years.

Craig

 

[Bluefin]

I'll take Kevin Williams over the majority of 2nd rounders Jerry Jones has taken over the last 15 years.

That doesn't change the fact Kevin Williams was a terrible wide receiver.

K Dub never caught 40 passes or more than 2 touchdowns in a season.

Williams needed the Arizona Cardinals to triple cover Michael Irvin in the '95 finale where he went wild for 200 yards to finish the year with 600 yards.

Other than that aberration, he never had 400 receiving yard in a season.

Williams was a punt returner and we picked him one spot ahead of fellow Hurricane LB Michael Barrow.

I love the way you try to downplay all four of them when 3 of the 4 made major contributions. Too bad Jimmy Smith got hurt and ended up making his for the Jags though.

We gave up on the best of the bunch, but it just shows that drafting talent is only part of the equation. We didn't think Jimmy Smith would recover and gave up on him.

He was a great player.

I wouldn't downplay what Smith did in his career or Alvin Harper with us, I just wanted to say Harper quickly flamed out after leaving Dallas because he was only good at certain things.

 

[Hostile]

That doesn't change the fact Kevin Smith was a terrible wide receiver.

He never caught 40 passes or more than 2 touchdowns in a season.

He needed the Arizona Cardinals to triple cover Michael Irvin in the '95 finale where he went wild for 200 yards to finish the year with 600 yards.

Other than that aberration, he never had 400 receiving yard in a season.

He was a punt returner and we picked him one spot ahead of fellow Hurricane LB Michael Barrow.




We gave up on the best of the bunch, but it just shows that drafting talent is only part of the equation. We didn't think Jimmy Smith would recover and gave up on him.

He was a great player.

I wouldn't downplay what Smith did in his career or Alvin Harper with us, I just wanted to say Harper quickly flamed out after leaving Dallas because he was only good at certain things.

Kevin Smith was a CB.

 

[Bluefin]

So draft a WR in the first round, develop him for a year, hopefully if he's as good as the scouts say he is, then he'll hopefully turn in a pretty good 2nd year and then be ready to blossom in year 3.

Funny how Jerry the 'risk taker' shies away from taking this type of risk.

You do need to remember this is Jerry spin.

It was well documented that Jerry wanted to trade up in '08 to select WR James Hardy in the second round and he couldn't get anyone in the war room to agree with him.

And there have been others, some we've heard about like Greg Jennings, Steve Smith, Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi and there have undoubtedly been some others we'll never know about.

We will draft a wideout in a heartbeat if the right guy is there and there isn't a clearly superior value on the board.

Jerry just offers up the developmental aspect, which is typically true, as a ready made excuse after it didn't happen.

The next time we do take a receiver high, Jerry will have a decidedly different take on the position.

 

[Bluefin]

Kevin Smith was a CB.

Sorry for that, Pup.

Fin fixed the boo boo.

 

[Hostile]

Sorry for that, Pup.

Fin fixed the boo boo.

I'm tired too.

 

[Bluefin]

I'm tired too.

And now we're facing a Sunday with no Cowboys football...

Talk about a loooooooong day.

 

[Hostile]

And now we're facing a Sunday with no Cowboys football...

Talk about a loooooooong day.

I look at it as a day without the sky falling around here.

:hammock:

 

[Beast_from_East]

Can somebody please explain this apparent contradiction.......

Jerry says, "any time you talk about theses receivers you have to speak to Ogletree, number 85. He's got a great chance as the year goes along to make a bigger contribution. He can really separate and could be quite a compliment to what we're trying to do with our receiver core"

Jerry then says that we dont draft WRs high because they take 2 or 3 years to learn the postion and start contributing.....


So how does Ogletree have a great chance to make a big contribution in his rookie year, whereas we never draft WRs early because they cant contribute for 2 or 3 years??? If Ogletree can contribute to the team his rookie year, why cant a 1st round WR contribute in his rookie year???


Can somebody explain this apparent contradiction Jerry is talking about???

 

[Yeagermeister]

I look at it as a day without the sky falling around here.

:hammock:

 

[rynochop]

I guess thats the first i've heard that Ball was actually fined 5 large for that hit last week.

One of the worst calls all year, then they apparently review it and determine its worthy of a fine?? It was a BS call to begin with. Jerry should turn around and write him a check.

 

[Kaika]

I look at it as a day without the sky falling around here.

:hammock:

I'm surprised at you. You know this place, and the Day ain't over yet.

 

[Hostile]

I'm surprised at you. You know this place, and the Day ain't over yet.

The eternal optimist foiled again.

 

[dbair1967]

Can somebody please explain this apparent contradiction.......

Jerry says, "any time you talk about theses receivers you have to speak to Ogletree, number 85. He's got a great chance as the year goes along to make a bigger contribution. He can really separate and could be quite a compliment to what we're trying to do with our receiver core"

Jerry then says that we dont draft WRs high because they take 2 or 3 years to learn the postion and start contributing.....


So how does Ogletree have a great chance to make a big contribution in his rookie year, whereas we never draft WRs early because they cant contribute for 2 or 3 years??? If Ogletree can contribute to the team his rookie year, why cant a 1st round WR contribute in his rookie year???


Can somebody explain this apparent contradiction Jerry is talking about???

Pretty obvious, its called "we got lucky"