Jerry on Garrett: Not Impressed

[Super_Kazuya]

Yup that's it.

You have been roundly schooled by me, childsplay, garret and jones.

And I'm still waiting for any critical thinking from you or explanation that your best case wound up a coin flip.

I know I won't get it because you're all mouth and no substance.

I typically wouldn't resort to beating this down on you, but I hate people who put down honest work by people as they see as inferior. The irony is you offer nothing yourself except a link and partial story. Burger King workers have 10 times the integrity and class you do

And if you want to put money on my degree and qualifications, pm me.

lol, please... I'm still waiting for you to explain how you build in assumed first downs in to your phony 99.5% probability model. You've been running from that question for 10 pages. I know I won't get it, because you're all mouth and no substance. I have no idea about your qualifications, but generally the food is pretty good.

 

[TheDude]

lol, please... I'm still waiting for you to explain how you build in assumed first downs in to your phony 99.5% probability model. You've been running from that question for 10 pages. I know I won't get it, because you're all mouth and no substance. I have no idea about your qualifications, but generally the food is pretty good.

Thats rich.

Lets recap, I initially said 99.5% was significantly better than 95% as entire industries and science and production are built on trying to eliminate all risk or chance. You said No coach would know that and it didnt matter. I have infinite facts to support my position and your retort is basically "horseshoes"

You then champion your linked "95% WPA" as support that the team did the right thing...where in same article that % eroded to 53% in 4 plays. and 20 seconds (hint because the other team was given the ball.

I then show you where the my estimate of 99.5% was corroborated with last years stats of 99.35% conversion on all extrapoints. Mathematical fact. yet your retort is "phony 99.5%" "picked out of the air"

You asked the scenario. I said 2nd down wasnt the issue. You have to stay in bounds on first down. and keep the clock running. This was supported direclty from a Garrett quote provided in copy past and link. Next, The play on 2nd and 1 was to get the first down and fall down (wash TO #1 even with the botched 1st down stop of the clock). That makes it 1st and goal anywhere from the 5-1 yard line (drive started on the 15 so by my Burger King Math that would make the first down marker at the 5). 1st down kneel or dive. Wash last time out with 1:14 or so remaining. 2nd down takes it to 24 seconds, 3rd down takes it to 0:03. over.

Apparently our versions of running are vastly different. I have sat here and drafted picture after picture, painted numbers on the sections and given you brushes and paint and your response has been to drool all over it and play with your feces

We also have different definitions of integrity, class (still taking shots at fast food workers to prove some void and depression in your life), debate skills and overall human decency. I am very glad and comfortable to know this

So there is your mouth and substance and lesson for the day. You may have the last word (and Burger King reference) because you have made everyone in this thread dumber and dirty having to read you. It is funny that there is this continued warning of people offering nothing to the board except mindless "Dallas sucks, Garrett sucks, Jones Sucks" and here you come running to snatch the baton from their hand with "Its right because Dallas did it, Burger King" "I dont have to support my opinion because Im supporting everything blindly"

two sides. same coin

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Thats rich.

Lets recap, I initially said 99.5% was significantly better than 95% as entire industries and science and production are built on trying to eliminate all risk or chance. You said No coach would know that and it didnt matter. I have infinite facts to support my position and your retort is basically "horseshoes"

You then champion your linked "95% WPA" as support that the team did the right thing...where in same article that % eroded to 53% in 4 plays. and 20 seconds (hint because the other team was given the ball.

I then show you where the my estimate of 99.5% was corroborated with last years stats of 99.35% conversion on all extrapoints. Mathematical fact. yet your retort is "phony 99.5%" "picked out of the air"

You asked the scenario. I said 2nd down wasnt the issue. You have to stay in bounds on first down. and keep the clock running. This was supported direclty from a Garrett quote provided in copy past and link. Next, The play on 2nd and 1 was to get the first down and fall down (wash TO #1 even with the botched 1st down stop of the clock). That makes it 1st and goal anywhere from the 5-1 yard line (drive started on the 15 so by my Burger King Math that would make the first down marker at the 5). 1st down kneel or dive. Wash last time out with 1:14 or so remaming. 2nd down takes it to 24 seconds, 3rd down takes it to 0:03. over.

Apparently our versions of running are vastly different. I have set here and drafted picture after picture, painted numbers on the sections and given you brushes and paint and your response has been to drool all over it

We also have different definitions of integrity, class (still taking shots at fast food workers to prove some void and depression in your life), debate skills and overall human decency. I am very glad and comfortable to know this

So there is your mouth and substance and lesson for the day. You may have the last word (and Burger King reference) because you have made everyone in this thread dumber and dirty having to read you. It is funny that there is this continued warning of people offering nothing to the board except mindless "Dallas sucks, Garrett sucks, Jones Sucks" and here you come running to snatch the baton from their hand with "Its right because Dallas did it, Burger King" "I dont have to support my opinion because Im supporting everything blindly"

two sides. same coin

Once again, all of this is 100% pure garbage because you assume they get the first down in your alternate universe where they run the "first down but not touchdown" play. I am actually going to leave out the jokes that you are so sensitive to in hopes that you won't reply and we can spare the rest of the board and put this thread out of its misery.

 

[Tommy]

You're not taking into effect a first down and that is what I think some are discussing. If they run for a first and drop Wash has to use a TO on that play. Then you kneel on 1st and a TO. Then you get 2 full plays of running clock before 4th. That leaves almost no time. Not too tough for a pseudo coach.

I was responding to those who were saying we should have taken a knee when we first got possession with 1:26 left on the clock. Clearly, getting the first down and taking a knee was the ideal outcome. McFadden had already fumbled twice in the game so I don't want anymore on his plate than running hard and holding onto the ball.

Tell the truth HoustonFrog. If JG takes a knee for 3 plays at the 2yd line and we botch a FG attempt on the last play this place would be flooded with "JG is an idiot for kneeling" threads wouldnt we? Every move he makes is the wrong move according to CowboysZone.

 

[romothesavior]

Seriously can you two knock it off? This was a halfway decent thread until this pissing contest.

 

[Miller]

I was responding to those who were saying we should have taken a knee when we first got possession with 1:26 left on the clock. Clearly, getting the first down and taking a knee was the ideal outcome. McFadden had already fumbled twice in the game so I don't want anymore on his plate than running hard and holding onto the ball.

Tell the truth HoustonFrog. If JG takes a knee for 3 plays at the 2yd line and we botch a FG attempt on the last play this place would be flooded with "JG is an idiot for kneeling" threads wouldnt we? Every move he makes is the wrong move according to CowboysZone.

Gotcha. I know some say we couldn't just get a first and fall down...but it has actually happened and it would take the clock down to basically nothing. It just has to be discussed. As others have said, it really should not have come to that with the out of bounds play anyways. I just wanted to explain what others were saying. I don't think he would have gotten blasted because honestly the FG with no time was a right move and at the worst you move on to overtime. As it is it worked out...way differently than expected. Thanks for the educated response. Too much bashing in here.

 

[mrmojo]

All I have to say is remember Romo and the Seattle playoff game, anything can happen with a field goal attempt. I didn't like the tie management...especially the play before the 2 minute warning, but I had no problem with the TD. Who was to know we would allow them to return the kickoff and get a personal foul penalty.

 

[Miller]

All I have to say is remember Romo and the Seattle playoff game, anything can happen with a field goal attempt. I didn't like the tie management...especially the play before the 2 minute warning, but I had no problem with the TD. Who was to know we would allow them to return the kickoff and get a personal foul penalty.

I think that very rarely happens...Seattle thing. Even if it did you still had OT. I think people are just saying it was more prudent

 

[Novacek84]

If Jerry is finally waking up to the fact that his "hand picked" head coach is in over his head, then good on him. We wanted Jerry to be patient when he hired Garrett and he has been more than patient waiting for a payoff. But, last year aside,which seems to be an aberration, it is clear Garrett is not the answer. Can he motivate players? Apparently so. But his tactical/game management is atrocious and has been for several seasons. Maybe Jerry is starting to realize its over for Payton in NO and this is his way of starting to position himself to hire a new coach. Maybe he kicks Garrett upstairs? I don't know, but I do know that Jerry's comments about this coaching group are spot on.

 

[PAINFROMUKRAINE]

If Jerry is finally waking up to the fact that his "hand picked" head coach is in over his head, then good on him. We wanted Jerry to be patient when he hired Garrett and he has been more than patient waiting for a payoff. But, last year aside,which seems to be an aberration, it is clear Garrett is not the answer. Can he motivate players? Apparently so. But his tactical/game management is atrocious and has been for several seasons. Maybe Jerry is starting to realize its over for Payton in NO and this is his way of starting to position himself to hire a new coach. Maybe he kicks Garrett upstairs? I don't know, but I do know that Jerry's comments about this coaching group are spot on.

I keep seeing that Garrett should be kicked upstairs. Why? What qualities has he shown to be a TOP GM in this league. How the heck can he give any input on hiring a Head Coach when his hiring of Defensive Coordinators (Ryan, Kiffin, etc.) has been simply atrocious.. Furthermore, his Draft Day interactions with Jerry's daughter simply show that he cannot completely concentrate on the serious tasks at hand. Sometimes a "clean break" is the best option for all parties involved. I would just love for JG to move on to "greener pastures" instead of staying in Dallas.

 

[khiladi]

I keep seeing that Garrett should be kicked upstairs. Why? What qualities has he shown to be a TOP GM in this league. How the heck can he give any input on hiring a Head Coach when his hiring of Defensive Coordinators (Ryan, Kiffin, etc.) has been simply atrocious.. Furthermore, his Draft Day interactions with Jerry's daughter simply show that he cannot completely concentrate on the serious tasks at hand. Sometimes a "clean break" is the best option for all parties involved. I would just love for JG to move on to "greener pastures" instead of staying in Dallas.

He would probably be good in marketing or sales tickets for suites because people like to have beers with him, so I'm told..

 

[Doomsay]

Yeah i always thought Jerry regretted letting Payton get away and feels for some reason that Garret is the next Payton. Unfortunately for us Garret is not even the next Chan Gailey. I feel like Jerry didn't want to look stupid letting 2 good coaches leave and have success in other places. So he looked inept as a GM trying to not look stupid.

Hopefully, NO keeps losing.

 

[PAINFROMUKRAINE]

He would probably be good in marketing or sales tickets for suites because people like to have beers with him, so I'm told..

I disagree. JG talks to much process crap and customers will get bored hearing him speak while they are enjoying their beers. He would really deter customers/fans from buying suites and season tickets. Jerry would be way more interesting to have a beer or scotch with. He would not stop talking and I am sure he has more stories then anybody in Texas.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I disagree. JG talks to much process crap and customers will get bored hearing him speak while they are enjoying their beers. He would really deter customers/fans from buying suites and season tickets. Jerry would be way more interesting to have a beer or scotch with. He would not stop talking and I am sure he has more stories then anybody in Texas.

Who would translate? I never know what he's talking about.

 

[mrmojo]

I keep seeing that Garrett should be kicked upstairs. Why? What qualities has he shown to be a TOP GM in this league. How the heck can he give any input on hiring a Head Coach when his hiring of Defensive Coordinators (Ryan, Kiffin, etc.) has been simply atrocious.. Furthermore, his Draft Day interactions with Jerry's daughter simply show that he cannot completely concentrate on the serious tasks at hand. Sometimes a "clean break" is the best option for all parties involved. I would just love for JG to move on to "greener pastures" instead of staying in Dallas.

Well Jerry's daughter is distracting I don't blame him for that

 

[plymkr]

What does Jerry's daughter look like?

 

[dallasdave]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/12/08/jerry-jones-cowboys-fortunate-get-win-vs-skins

 

[dallasdave]

Link to interview
http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/12/08/jerry-jones-cowboys-fortunate-get-win-vs-skins

Thanks

 

[Beast_from_East]

If Jerry is finally waking up to the fact that his "hand picked" head coach is in over his head, then good on him. We wanted Jerry to be patient when he hired Garrett and he has been more than patient waiting for a payoff. But, last year aside,which seems to be an aberration, it is clear Garrett is not the answer. Can he motivate players? Apparently so. But his tactical/game management is atrocious and has been for several seasons. Maybe Jerry is starting to realize its over for Payton in NO and this is his way of starting to position himself to hire a new coach. Maybe he kicks Garrett upstairs? I don't know, but I do know that Jerry's comments about this coaching group are spot on.

I just don't understand how an NFL head coach in basically his 6th season on the job continues to make such elementary mistakes. Like Jerry said, it was high schoolish the way we looked out there.

Of course Garrett is not going anywhere with that new extension, but at least it was refreshing to hear Jerry acknowledge publicly what a lot of us fans have been saying. Its not just a group of fans being Garrett haters, there are legitimate mistakes Garrett is still making regarding situational football and clock management that is not getting better.

Maybe Jerry does need to hire a "clock and game management" assistant and give him full control over at the end of games because Garrett is just not getting it, and considering he is basically in year 6th on his reign, I fear that if he has not learned by now he never will.

 

[dfense]

Garrett on Jerry... "Ditto"