Jerry on Garrett: Not Impressed

[Tommy]

Good breakdown. Here's something I have been thinking in my head all day. I wonder what you guys think. If we go with option, running out the clock and kicking a Field Goal and leaving them 10-15 seconds to go the length of the field to tie; would that be playing to win or playing not to lose?

I've wrestled with this question all day. One side of me thinks that it was the safer move and when watching the game I wanted them to just take a knee and go that option. I was frustrated when D-Mac scored cuz I felt this defense was due to for a letdown play after holding them in check for 59 mins. I wanted no part of the Commanders getting the ball back.

So I have been very adamant about Garret sucking because of his conservative decisions. So is it hypocritical of me to want them to play it conservative in that moment.

Or back to my original question. If playing for the field goal and giving them the ball back with 10-15 seconds would that be considered playing not to lose. As opposed to getting the TD would obviously be playing to win, or would it?

Thoughts

If the Cowboys take a knee on 3 plays and kick a field goal it would have left more than 10-15 seconds. My math comes out to 35-40 seconds. There was 1:26 on the clock when they started I believe.

If they kick the field goal and the Commanders come back in :35 with a field goal to tie this place would go into meltdown mode with the "Garrett plays not to lose" threads.

This time he "played to win" but still did it wrong according to our pseudo coaches here.

 

[TheDude]

Exactly. You are making up outcomes. Zero credibility. What a joke.

Good comeback. You offered no analysis and present incomplete data as "proof." Zero integrity. Must be about 19-23 - not that 19-23 year olds have no integrity just argue and put down fast food workers because they have little ability to hold a back and forth

You better change your avatar, your boy agrees with most lucid and sober people on this.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

If the Cowboys take a knee on 3 plays and kick a field goal it would have left more than 10-15 seconds. My math comes out to 35-40 seconds. There was 1:26 on the clock when they started I believe.

If they kick the field goal and the Commanders come back in :35 with a field goal to tie this place would go into meltdown mode with the "Garrett plays not to lose" threads.

This time he "played to win" but still did it wrong according to our pseudo coaches here.

You've got to use McLovin's win probability formula:

McFadden runs for 9 yards then stops on a dime and doesn't go out of bounds. *
TO Wash
McFadden runs for 2 yards against a goal line defense despite the team's horrible running all night long, picks up first *
TO Wash
Cowboys run clock down to :03 and kick field goal *

* indicates assumptions/outcomes that came straight out of McLovin's imagination

 

[Aliencowboy]

Well this gives me hope

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...-ball-security-dez-crunch-time-jerry-qbs-more







http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...erry-jones-on-playoff-hunt-i-look-at-it-as-48

Wow!! This is the truth and Jones called the coaches out!!

Last night was the first time all season that you saw wrinkles, variations, scheming (what other teams call coaching)mostly by the defense but also a little more on offense.

Think how many games Dallas actually has won where you said the Cowboys out coached the other team. None.

Effort and technique has its place but hopefully the days of no half time adjustments and blind faith in a system where everyone knows what's coming is over

Best news from Jones in years!

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Good comeback. You offered no analysis and present incomplete data as "proof." Zero integrity. Must be about 19-23 - not that 19-23 year olds have no integrity just argue and put down fast food workers because they have little ability to hold a back and forth

You better change your avatar, your boy agrees with most lucid and sober people on this.

Keep pulling scenarios directly out of your imagination. I think you can get to 99.99% if you try. What a joke, lol.

 

[TheDude]

Keep pulling scenarios directly out of your imagination. I think you can get to 99.99% if you try. What a joke, lol.

well you went from 95% to 52%. So keep supporting your eventual 50/50 coin toss. Definitely a joke here.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

well you went from 95% to 52%. So keep supporting your eventual 50/50 coin toss. Definitely a joke here.

In your imaginary scenario, how many yards did McFadden get on 2nd down when he got the first down necessary to make your baloney scenario work? How may times did Garrett clap? I want to know every detail on the way to 99.5.

 

[Miller]

Of course we're cool man. Please don't take me being confrontational personally. The nature of these threads is what it is.

Jerry said they won through willpower and not tactics. Garrett doesn't call the plays for the offense or defense. His mantra is mental toughness and execution under adverse circumstances. They did make plays in the second half. The defense hung in there despite still being unable to generate turnovers.

The tea leaves to me tell me to be more concerned about Marinelli or perhaps Linehan. Now I could really hope that his solution to that is Sean Payton. That would be outstanding but fire Garrett is not the wavelength i was getting from VR brass.

Then Stephen goes to bat for Linehan on the fan. That place is all over the place and inferring stuff from their comments requires all manner of salt.

That is my argument against the OP's interpretation of "not impressed" I think Jones got all manner of impression from that game.

Not personal at all but really glad you spelled out your position. We agree on about 90% of your post. Jones may be all over the place but the fact that he isn't singing wine and roses was a change for me. I think JG and whole staff were taking a shot and stand by that Jerry seems...maybe less impressed than Not. Thanks for clarification

 

[Zman5]

I see why all the outcry about giving the Commanders a sliver of hope at the end of the game.

I also think you can't micromanage things like DMAC running for a touchdown.

Or to hit the ground when he has a shot at a TD.

It's like the debate going on here where some say it's better to lose on purpose to get a higher draft pick.

You don't ask players to tank.

It not in their DNA.

So stop the silliness.

Frankly..the defense should have held and the Commanders should have been closed out by the defense.

Not on a questionable call by the special teams to get a fumble.

It was the Miracle at the FedEx if you ask me.

I don't blame Jerrah for being prickly about what he saw.

Another game like that against GB and it's all but over.

Coaches do tell players not to score, or go down immediately or take a safety. All dependant on the situation. No different than telling the player to go out of bounds immediately to stop the clock instead of trying to get extra yards .

It's situational football.

 

[CATCH17]

It was in the small print.......LOL

Lollll


I'm not even ashamed about it.

 

[cml750]

Wow Jerry, how does it feel to finally be sober and see the sad reality of the situation. I still don't expect the necessary changes in the off-season but it is encouraging that Jerry is starting to see his trainee isn't getting it. It will however be real interesting to see what Jerry does if Sean Payton becomes available. Payton's success with another team played a big part in Jerry making the mistake of promoting Garrett. Sadly we wasted too many years of Romo's career on that mistake.

 

[plymkr]

Wow Jerry, how does it feel to finally be sober and see the sad reality of the situation. I still don't expect the necessary changes in the off-season but it is encouraging that Jerry is starting to see his trainee isn't getting it. It will however be real interesting to see what Jerry does if Sean Payton becomes available. Payton's success with another team played a big part in Jerry making the mistake of promoting Garrett. Sadly we wasted too many years of Romo's career on that mistake.

Yeah i always thought Jerry regretted letting Payton get away and feels for some reason that Garret is the next Payton. Unfortunately for us Garret is not even the next Chan Gailey. I feel like Jerry didn't want to look stupid letting 2 good coaches leave and have success in other places. So he looked inept as a GM trying to not look stupid.

 

[khiladi]

Wasn't that the same offense that got blown out by Washington and is currently 4-8 just like the Cowboys, even with their franchise QB all year??

They had the most Turn over of any team in the league and Payton clearly said it was a rebuilding year and their franchise QB was injured the beginning of the year.

That being said, there problem hasn't been offense, which is ours.

 

[TheDude]

You've got to use McLovin's win probability formula:

McFadden runs for 9 yards then stops on a dime and doesn't go out of bounds. *
TO Wash
McFadden runs for 2 yards against a goal line defense despite the team's horrible running all night long, picks up first *
TO Wash
Cowboys run clock down to :03 and kick field goal *

* indicates assumptions/outcomes that came straight out of McLovin's imagination

or maybe just Garretts postmortem that agrees with everything I said

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/cowboys-corner-blog/article48718010.html

That has to hurt.


"Now, in that situation the nine yards is a good, but keeping the clock running is paramount and we didn’t do that," Garrett said. "So it’s second-and-1 and they still have their two timeouts, so the thinking becomes, ‘We need to get the first down now.’ If we run it, they call timeout; we run it, they call timeout. All of a sudden we’re kicking a field goal and they get it back and we’re up three with over a minute, and in this league teams go down the field and kick game-tying field goals in those situations. So it was incumbent upon us to make a first down after that.

"We had a good discussion about how we should approach that next part of it. We have a play in place where you say, ‘Make the first down, but don’t score the touchdown.’


Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports...orner-blog/article48718010.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Miller]

If the Cowboys take a knee on 3 plays and kick a field goal it would have left more than 10-15 seconds. My math comes out to 35-40 seconds. There was 1:26 on the clock when they started I believe.

If they kick the field goal and the Commanders come back in :35 with a field goal to tie this place would go into meltdown mode with the "Garrett plays not to lose" threads.

This time he "played to win" but still did it wrong according to our pseudo coaches here.

You're not taking into effect a first down and that is what I think some are discussing. If they run for a first and drop Wash has to use a TO on that play. Then you kneel on 1st and a TO. Then you get 2 full plays of running clock before 4th. That leaves almost no time. Not too tough for a pseudo coach.

 

[TheDude]

You're not taking into effect a first down and that is what I think some are discussing. If they run for a first and drop Wash has to use a TO on that play. Then you kneel on 1st and a TO. Then you get 2 full plays of running clock before 4th. That leaves almost no time.

Bingo.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You're not taking into effect a first down

Translation: he's not making it up as he goes along like you and McBurger King.

So yes, if you mean if I get in your hindsight machine, and tell Garrett he will get a first down if he runs the ball, and he still scores a TD? Then yes, I fully agree that is stupid. What an Einstein like revelation you've come across.

 

[TheDude]

Translation: he's not making it up as he goes along like you and McBurger King.

So yes, if you mean if I get in your hindsight machine, and tell Garrett he will get a first down if he runs the ball, and he still scores a TD? Then yes, I fully agree that is stupid. What an Einstein like revelation you've come across.

Since the drive started at the 15, picking up a first down ends the game on time. An amoeba knows to go for a first down and keep the clock running. Can't ask for a better down than second and one.

But since you are a coward and run around like an 8 year old calling names and me out with no arguement. Let me say

Oh pssboy, come wait for the shake.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Since the drive started at the 15, picking up a first down ends the game on time. An amoeba knows to go for a first down and keep the clock running. Can't ask for a better down than second and one.

But since you are a coward and run around like an 8 year old calling names and me out with no arguement. Let me say

Oh pssboy, come wait for the shake.

LOL, I'm still laughing at your ineptness. To think earlier, I was actually considering that you were making sense. Never in my wildest dreams did I think you were factoring in your imagined outcomes into the equation. I gave you a bit of credit, thinking what am I missing? Turns out, you're missing a brain.

 

[TheDude]

LOL, I'm still laughing at your ineptness. To think earlier, I was actually considering that you were making sense. Never in my wildest dreams did I think you were factoring in your imagined outcomes into the equation. I gave you a bit of credit, thinking what am I missing? Turns out, you're missing a brain.

Yup that's it.

You have been roundly schooled by me, childsplay, garret and jones.

And I'm still waiting for any critical thinking from you or explanation that your best case wound up a coin flip.

I know I won't get it because you're all mouth and no substance.

I typically wouldn't resort to beating this down on you, but I hate people who put down honest work by people as they see as inferior. The irony is you offer nothing yourself except a link and partial story. Burger King workers have 10 times the integrity and class you do

And if you want to put money on my degree and qualifications, pm me.