Jerry on Garrett: Not Impressed

[Idgit]

no, we have seen fans without commons sense make ridiculous claims for 5 long years.

No doubt, we've seen a bunch of really bad attempts to blame Garrett for phantom time management issues, phantom play calling mistakes, and just second-guessing every decision that doesn't work in general.

He's had three significant time management issues in games in his tenure that I can remember. One was in the AZ game in 2011 (?). Not the 'icing,' which is a stupid argument, but he botched badly the time management that led up to that kick. The second was the GB game in 2013 where he sort of threw Callahan (and maybe Romo a little bit) under the bus and then took over the play calling. And then last night, where he should have drained the clock and timeouts before giving the ball back to Cousins and Company.

There may be a few more out there that I've forgotten, but for the most part, it's a fairly limited number of games. That said, those kinds of mistakes by coaches and offensive staffs cost games, and games can cost post-season opportunities. If I'm an owner, I'd have a zero-tolerance stance on them, too.

Garrett and hs staff screwed up the time management at the end of the game last night, and it almost cost him. I hate to see it, it's something that he's got to get better at. Sure, it's something other teams do, too, from time to time. But the really good ones don't.

 

[Staubacher]

The list of excuses for this guy is a mile long and the only redeeming quality he has is that he can get guys who are professionals and paid millions of dollars to play hard.

Seriously it's the only thing.

Dwayne Harris plays just as hard (and better) in NY.

TNewman is still playing while collecting social security.

My God how do these guys carry on without Garrett's speeches and field trips?

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Would you say Garrett is good overall at game and clock mgmt?

Probably not, but I base that more on what I see in the first 58 minutes rather than trying to play the hindsight game in end of game situations where even the worst choice has you winning 95% of the time.

 

[Sportsbabe]

thank god people like you don't call the shots.

the run play on both downs was a solid all. Garret can't force a back to stay in bounds. questioning those play calls says more about you then it does the coach!

My heart fell out of my chest when they didn't force the Skins to use those timeouts.

Can't wait to hear what he says about that.

 

[CATCH17]

He doesn't have the locker room any more than 90 percent of NFL coaches out there. Is there dissent in Jacksonville? Houston? Etc etc? In fact they don't have monkeys and locker room media fights as far as I know.

Every NFL team plays hard 95 percent of the time. Garrett is not an exception for preaching that. He just isn't. The Skins played hard last night. It's not a new thing.

Seriously if all Garrett has is they play hard because 5 years ago the team took off a few plays under Wade then that is sad and pathetic.

Exactly....


This whole thing about playing hard and keeping teams in every game goes for about every team in the NFL.

Almost every team plays hard and almost every team stays in every game.

 

[Staubacher]

Probably not, but I base that more on what I see in the first 58 minutes rather than trying to play the hindsight game in end of game situation where even the worst choice has you winning 95% of the time.

Not hindsight and you know it. Go back to the game thread. Even Broaddus and other guys who usually carry Garret's water are saying it.

Garrett has made a ton of these errors and they were called out at the time not just later.

In fact we won so it is not blaming him for a loss he was stupid anyway

 

[Eric_Boyer]

No doubt, we've seen a bunch of really bad attempts to blame Garrett for phantom time management issues, phantom play calling mistakes, and just second-guessing every decision that doesn't work in general.

He's had three significant time management issues in games in his tenure that I can remember. One was in the AZ game in 2011 (?). Not the 'icing,' which is a stupid argument, but he botched badly the time management that led up to that kick. The second was the GB game in 2013 where he sort of threw Callahan (and maybe Romo a little bit) under the bus and then took over the play calling. And then last night, where he should have drained the clock and timeouts before giving the ball back to Cousins and Company.

There may be a few more out there that I've forgotten, but for the most part, it's a fairly limited number of games. That said, those kinds of mistakes by coaches and offensive staffs cost games, and games can cost post-season opportunities. If I'm an owner, I'd have a zero-tolerance stance on them, too.

Garrett and hs staff screwed up the time management at the end of the game last night, and it almost cost him. I hate to see it, it's something that he's got to get better at. Sure, it's something other teams do, too, from time to time. But the really good ones don't.

if you think he made a mistake by calling two running plays, what should he of done?

taken a knee three times and kicked a field goal?

that would of been stupid! a touchdown gave us the worst case scenario of overtime. playing for the field goal would of created the possibility of losing in regulation.

the Princeton guy is so much smarter then all of you!

 

[Cowboys22]

Its 100% on Garrett that his players don't know to go down before getting out of bounds in a situation where you are in winning field goal range and you want to run out the clock. The same goes for when you only need 1 yard to pick up a 1st down which will allow you to take the clock down to 3 seconds and kick the chip shot FG for the win but instead you run it into the endzone and give the other team more than a minute to come back and tie the game. Didn't a Seattle RB lay down on the 1 yard line a few weeks ago in a very similar situation? Its the little things that separate championship caliber teams from mere average teams. Garrett proves week in and week out that he doesn't get the little things that it takes to get a team to the top. The last 2 minutes of yesterdays game was just another shining example. He knows the Xs and Os of a 30 year old offense but he doesn't know the ins and outs of the entire game of football which to me should be the very first qualification of a head coach. Without it, he should never even be a candidate. High School coaches should not even be botching the final 2 minutes of a game like Garrett did last night.

 

[movaughn88]

There was 1:19 on the clock when McFadden takes the second and one carry in from the six. It is VERY reasonable to expect a veteran back, especially one who has been reminded of the situation, to fall down after getting the first down.

And I'm a (former) Jason apologist. That was indefensible game management.

Don't these two statements somewhat conflict? Just trying to figure out if you are faulting McFadden or Garrett.

I don't think any of us know what actually happened in terms of communication, that is one thing we all KNOW for certain.

Do you guys think a HC is supposed to somehow get his voice heard in the huddle in the 5 seconds that the play is being relayed to the QB? Does Garrett even have a direct voice feed override into Cassel's helmet? That sounds chaotic. I suppose he could interrupt the OC's thought process and take the 5 seconds to say "tell McFadden to get the 1st but not score a TD by any means" then that has to be relayed to Cassel and then to McFadden like some weird game of telephone.

Asking honestly, in a loud visitor's stadium how would this thought enter Garrett's mind and be conveyed to the RB in a reasonable amount of time between 1st and 2nd down?

 

[Staubacher]

Its 100% on Garrett that his players don't know to go down before getting out of bounds in a situation where you are in winning field goal range and you want to run out the clock. The same goes for when you only need 1 yard to pick up a 1st down which will allow you to take the clock down to 3 seconds and kick the chip shot FG for the win but instead you run it into the endzone and give the other team more than a minute to come back and tie the game. Didn't a Seattle RB lay down on the 1 yard line a few weeks ago in a very similar situation? Its the little things that separate championship caliber teams from mere average teams. Garrett proves week in and week out that he doesn't get the little things that it takes to get a team to the top. The last 2 minutes of yesterdays game was just another shining example. He knows the Xs and Os of a 30 year old offense but he doesn't know the ins and outs of the entire game of football which to me should be the very first qualification of a head coach. Without it, he should never even be a candidate. High School coaches should not even be botching the final 2 minutes of a game like Garrett did last night.

Yes Seattle did it a few weeks ago.

I can remember off the bat two times teams beat us doing it - Denver in the 51-48 game and I believe McCoy for the Eagles. Funny how Garrett doesn't remember those games he was THERE COACHING.

 

[Wrangler87]

I blame the coaching to a certain point, but Mcfadden running out of bounds was only trumped in stupidity by JJ Wilcox grabbing a facemask on a block on the Skins kick return. Seems like no matter who the coach has been the last 10-15 years we sure have an overabundance of dumb football players.

Why did they call a running play that took McFadden towards the sidelines? I think that is probably what Jerry was thinking when he said "tactically". The ball should have been run up the middle, taking the sidelines out of play. I don't totally blame McFadden.

By the way, remember when Marion Barber III played for the Bears and did the same thing while playing against the Cowboys. The Cowboys ended up winning in amazing fashion, only because Barber ran out of bounds.

 

[Miller]

I said we don't know what was said, and we don't.

yet your entire stance is based on not knowing. that is pathetic. you can hold onto irrational opinions, but I call people out for them. don't like it - too frigging bad!

You really need to attend the RIF meetings you have been skipping. As the commercial says "Reading really is Fundamental." Your stance is based on a what if..."we don't know." All I said was he should have been told and that is part of coaching...pulling them to the side and instructing. You then say my ENTIRE stance is based on not knowing...what, like yours? Can you see it now...look a little harder now...see the irony. Seriously, you are ruining a thread by carpet bombing a group with name calling. (Clue...not making you look smarter)

 

[Staubacher]

Don't these two statements somewhat conflict? Just trying to figure out if you are faulting McFadden or Garrett.

I don't think any of us know what actually happened in terms of communication, that is one thing we all KNOW for certain.

Do you guys think a HC is supposed to somehow get his voice heard in the huddle in the 5 seconds that the play is being relayed to the QB? Does Garrett even have a direct voice feed override into Cassel's helmet? That sounds chaotic. I suppose he could interrupt the OC's thought process and take the 5 seconds to say "tell McFadden to get the 1st but not score a TD by any means" then that has to be relayed to Cassel and then to McFadden like some weird game of telephone.

Asking honestly, in a loud visitor's stadium how would this thought enter Garrett's mind and be conveyed to the RB in a reasonable amount of time between 1st and 2nd down?

We had two timeouts that could have been used after clock winding down to, you know, coach the team?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well this gives me hope

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...-ball-security-dez-crunch-time-jerry-qbs-more







http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...erry-jones-on-playoff-hunt-i-look-at-it-as-48

its one of the worst coachings I have seen. I have defended garrett as many of the other times was plausible and could be explained. but last night had no excuse. awful game by coaching staff

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Not hindsight and you know it. Go back to the game thread. Even Broaddus and other guys who usually carry Garret's water are saying it.

Garrett has made a ton of these errors and they were called out at the time not just later.

In fact we won so it is not blaming him for a loss he was stupid anyway

And you know that if Jackson had returned the kickoff 102 yards after the field goal, then people would be crying about that too. Again, 95%. It was not a tactical error.

https://live.numberfire.com/nfl/6313?play=177

 

[tyke1doe]

Seriously it's the only thing.

Dwayne Harris plays just as hard (and better) in NY.

TNewman is still playing while collecting social security.

My God how do these guys carry on without Garrett's speeches and field trips?

 

[JIGGYFLY]

No doubt, we've seen a bunch of really bad attempts to blame Garrett for phantom time management issues, phantom play calling mistakes, and just second-guessing every decision that doesn't work in general.

He's had three significant time management issues in games in his tenure that I can remember. One was in the AZ game in 2011 (?). Not the 'icing,' which is a stupid argument, but he botched badly the time management that led up to that kick. The second was the GB game in 2013 where he sort of threw Callahan (and maybe Romo a little bit) under the bus and then took over the play calling. And then last night, where he should have drained the clock and timeouts before giving the ball back to Cousins and Company.

There may be a few more out there that I've forgotten, but for the most part, it's a fairly limited number of games. That said, those kinds of mistakes by coaches and offensive staffs cost games, and games can cost post-season opportunities. If I'm an owner, I'd have a zero-tolerance stance on them, too.

Garrett and hs staff screwed up the time management at the end of the game last night, and it almost cost him. I hate to see it, it's something that he's got to get better at. Sure, it's something other teams do, too, from time to time. But the really good ones don't.

Baltimore game when he did not call a TO after having all the receivers run long routes and Romo dumped it off.

Thereby leading to a long FG try that was missed leading to a loss in OT.

Also not calling a play to line Baily up on the right hash when his kicks had been drifting left all game.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

You really need to attend the RIF meetings you have been skipping. As the commercial says "Reading really is Fundamental." Your stance is based on a what if..."we don't know." All I said was he should have been told and that is part of coaching...pulling them to the side and instructing. You then say my ENTIRE stance is based on not knowing...what, like yours? Can you see it now...look a little harder now...see the irony. Seriously, you are ruining a thread by carpet bombing a group with name calling. (Clue...not making you look smarter)

he could of been told. why don't you get that? you are placing blame on someone for doing something he may well of done.

you don't know, yet here you are. IGNORANCE!!!!

 

[Wayne02]

Probably not, but I base that more on what I see in the first 58 minutes rather than trying to play the hindsight game in end of game situations where even the worst choice has you winning 95% of the time.

You're a liar, no one is using hindsight, everyone was yelling when McFadden scored the TD without forcing the Skins to use any of their TO's and leaving over a minute left on the clock. You're just arguing just to argue at this point.

 

[Staubacher]

its one of the worst coachings I have seen. I have defended garrett as many of the other times was plausible and could be explained. but last night had no excuse. awful game by coaching staff

This year:

End of half vs Atlanta - bad clock mgmt led to ATL having plenty of time to score when we could have run it down to 20 seconds or less up 28-14 and momentum. We never recovered from that.

Seattle game - questionable use of time and timeouts at game end.

Last night - nuff said.

That's just 3 examples they happen at least 2-4 games every year if not more.