Jerry Rice says he is not the best WR ever

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skyboy;3266991 said:
News is loosely defined as something your audience needs to know or something your audience wants to know, and this is neither of those things. This is a blog entry, at best. Save stuff like this for your blogspot site, Rosenthal. People come here for actual NFL news, not some blurb made by Jerry Rice that has nothing to do with, you know, actual "news."
Just FYI, but PFT IS a blog site which posts news, opinions, and speculaton, and is also where the posted story originated from.

So you're correct, this is not news. But it is posted in the exact location where you think it should be.
 

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thechosen1n2;3267155 said:
Yall guys that are still talkin about TO, that Hate TO....TO is winning. Yall hate him b/c you say he is an attention *****, but you all respond to everything he says/does, or anything some one says about him, yet giving him more attention. LOL its really comical.

Not as comical as you defending him any time the subject is brought up. TO put himself in the news and people are going to comment
 

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Sarge;3267094 said:
Rice is the best WR ever. He need not even respond to what TO says. Kinda brings him down to TO's level a tad bit. Let TO run his mouth Jerry. Let your numbers do the talking for you.


I hear this alot but if I had to assemble an all time great team Rice would not be among my starters...Moss, Berry, Hutson and maybe even Irvin would be my prefered choices...I was never impressed enough to think of him as the g.o.a.t.
 

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the kid 05;3267136 said:
Rich Gannon and Hassleback (then) arent exactly slouches though.
Neither is Donovan McNab nor for that matter, Jeff Garcia. Owens isn't in the same league as Rice.
 

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Zaxor;3267170 said:
I hear this alot but if I had to assemble an all time great team Rice would not be among my starters...Moss, Berry, Hutson and maybe even Irvin would be my prefered choices...I was never impressed enough to think of him as the g.o.a.t.
Randy Moss? Can't say I agree with that. Never watched Berry or Hutson, so no comment there. As for Irvin, he'd be my first choice because of the intangibles he brings, but objectively, I'd have to admit that Rice was the better receiver.
 

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jem88;3267212 said:
Randy Moss? Can't say I agree with that. Never watched Berry or Hutson, so no comment there. As for Irvin, he'd be my first choice because of the intangibles he brings, but objectively, I'd have to admit that Rice was the better receiver.

I am sure many will agree with you...Jerry was not my type of receiver...let me put it this way when you think of Rice do you think of a WR that would fight you for the football... He was in at the time a cutting edge offensive system that ran many crossing patterns...I think had he been in a more convential style of offense it is likely he wouldn't be on so many G.o.a.t. list.

But that is all subjective and can not be proven...but still just not my cup of tea.
 

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the kid 05;3267136 said:
Rich Gannon and Hassleback (then) arent exactly slouches though.
I didn't say they were. Owens is the one saying Rice played with Montana and Young.

Here's Rice's TD log.

Steve Young...85
Joe Montana...55
Rich Gannon...16
Jeff Garcia...11
Jeff Kemp...8
Elvis Grbac...8
Steve Bono...5
Rick Mirer...2
Matt Hasselback...2
Mike Moroski...1
Harry Sydney...1
Terry Kirby...1
Matt Cavanaugh...1
Trent Dilfer...1

Owens played 45 games with Steve Young as his starting QB. He played 39 with Tony Romo as his starting QB.

Jeff Garcia...50
Tony Romo...34
Steve Young...24
Donovan McNabb...20
Ryan Fitzpatrick...4
Tim Rattay...3
Drew Bledsoe...3
Ty Detmer...2
Brooks Bollinger...1
Trent Edwards...1
Terry Kirby...1
Jeff Brohm...1

To me, all that says is that Owens is too freaking stupid to realize what he had with Tony Romo and should shut his festering gob of a mouth, but can't because he loves him some him.
 

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Jerry Rice isn't the most humble person of all time.

But he doesn't have to be. He has the numbers, rings, and respect of his peers to back up his confidence.

TO is a great WR. he's put up some great numbers. But he hasn't put up the greatest of all time numbers, he hasn't helped any teams win any rings, and I don't imagine he's got the respect of all his peers.

Rice has the respect and admiration of all the QBs he's ever played with, I have zero doubt about that. I'm quite sure that you won't find any QBs that Owens has played with that feel the same about him.


TO has been a flat out great WR.


Jerry Rice IS the flat out best WR ever. He's the standard.
 

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Rice is certainly one of the greatest players of all time. However, I don't know if he was the greatest Receiver of all time. Don Hudson played in a time before PI and Unnecessary Roughness. He dominated the NFL when 15 passes a game were a lot. Hudson's numbers will not compare but what he was able to do with a very limited number of pass plays was amazing. Probably more impressive then Rice if you consider it from a percentage standpoint.
 

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thechosen1n2;3267155 said:
Yall guys that are still talkin about TO, that Hate TO....TO is winning. Yall hate him b/c you say he is an attention *****, but you all respond to everything he says/does, or anything some one says about him, yet giving him more attention. LOL its really comical.
he's not winning any championships and never will. ever since T.O. left San Fran he does his dissapearing act in the postseason.
 

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Owens is the epitome of hollow numbers.

It's always pissed me off to no end to hear people compare Owens to Irvin, even Michael himself does it, when they are actually polar opposites. Irvin's fire, desire, and personality fueled a dynasty to 3 championships, while Owen's selfishness, tantrums, and childish antics have kept every team he's ever been apart of from having a shot at glory.

Worlds separate players the caliber of Rice and Irvin from one like Owens ... worlds.
 

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It just amazes me how the greatest WR of all time (Terrell Owens) and the second-best WR of all time (Jerry Rice) played on the same team at the same time and still not manage to win a championship...That Steve Young must've really sucked.


this post is sarcasm filled.
 

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Screw The Hall;3267392 said:
Owens is the epitome of hollow numbers.

It's always pissed me off to no end to hear people compare Owens to Irvin, even Michael himself does it, when they are actually polar opposites. Irvin's fire, desire, and personality fueled a dynasty to 3 championships, while Owen's selfishness, tantrums, and childish antics have kept every team he's ever been apart of from having a shot at glory.

Worlds separate players the caliber of Rice and Irvin from one like Owens ... worlds.

I agree. I also think many of the problems TO had with QB's are problems he brought on himself. It is not an accident that he had falling outs with at least 3 QB's. It is one thing wanting the ball and another pouting about it. I don't think he could have worked with a QB like Aikman who had no issue pointing out the mistake of the WR and I think he would run into that with Montana as well. These QB's were better but they did not shy away from jumping on guys when they messed up, 1st time you do that to TO he goes into a hissy fit about not treating him like a man. Fact is QB's have treated him like a man and when they do he acts like a child
 

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Doomsday101;3267406 said:
I agree. I also think many of the problems TO had with QB's are problems he brought on himself. It is not an accident that he had falling outs with at least 3 QB's. It is one thing wanting the ball and another pouting about it. I don't think he could have worked with a QB like Aikman who had no issue pointing out the mistake of the WR and I think he would run into that with Montana as well. These QB's were better but they did not shy away from jumping on guys when they messed up, 1st time you do that to TO he goes into a hissy fit about not treating him like a man. Fact is QB's have treated him like a man and when they do he acts like a child

Man that's such a good post.
 

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Hostile;3266739 said:
Jerry played 3 and a half years in Oakland and a half year in Seattle.

Far more than Owens has played with Buffalo and their sub standard QB.

The intent of my comment was more around Rice himself rather than a comparison to Owens even though I understand that was the premise of Jerry's comments.

I give Rice his due for the numbers he put up. Those say he's the winner vs TO or anyone else.

I just think its fairly arrogant of Rice to suggest any hint of him having to overcome his QB's along the way. Again, Matt Cavanaugh, for how long? Not very. And again I'm not comparing to TO even though that was the primary discussion point.

I just don't like what I perceive about Rice. I may be wrong. But relaying Joe's comments about how Jerry extended Joe's career? I assume its a comment Joe truly made but for Rice to repeat comes off as quite arrogant to me. Especially when he is widely already considered the GOAT already. Why even go there?

Back to TO though. If I had a chance to hang out with Rice or TO I would choose TO. Don't get me wrong, I hate what his presence eventually did to our team and yes I think his ego is at times channeled in very non-productive ways. Not defending that.

In the midst of TO's at times destructive insecurities he displays a certain childlike outlook that dampens his offensiveness for me. Just a personal preference. TO's insecurities manifest themselves more destructively but Rice's arrogance bothers me more. I know most will vehently disagree with that. Its just personal preference.
 

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Rampage;3267363 said:
he's not winning any championships and never will. ever since T.O. left San Fran he does his dissapearing act in the postseason.

:laugh2: at this response. Championships are team accomplishments. No he wont win one by himself, just like Peyton didnt win until he got something that resembled a defense. There are tons of great players that have not won a ring (not that he is GREAT any longer, but career wise he is great),

BUT

in terms of this subject hes winning. This year he didnt win a superbowl, but neither did we. He got his money from us, and 6 more mil from buffalo (six mil he wouldn have had if he was still in dallas), and we are still talking about him. Plus he will at least get a few more mil this coming up season. The Bengals are being rumored, but who knows...someone will pick him up.
 

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Screw The Hall;3267392 said:
Owens is the epitome of hollow numbers.

It's always pissed me off to no end to hear people compare Owens to Irvin, even Michael himself does it, when they are actually polar opposites. Irvin's fire, desire, and personality fueled a dynasty to 3 championships, while Owen's selfishness, tantrums, and childish antics have kept every team he's ever been apart of from having a shot at glory.

Worlds separate players the caliber of Rice and Irvin from one like Owens ... worlds.


So TO made Donovan throw dumb interceptions in the Superbowl, or made crayton stop on his route that could have one the giants game.

Try Again.
 

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thechosen1n2;3268908 said:
:laugh2: at this response. Championships are team accomplishments. No he wont win one by himself, just like Peyton didnt win until he got something that resembled a defense. There are tons of great players that have not won a ring (not that he is GREAT any longer, but career wise he is great),

BUT

in terms of this subject hes winning. This year he didnt win a superbowl, but neither did we. He got his money from us, and 6 more mil from buffalo (six mil he wouldn have had if he was still in dallas), and we are still talking about him. Plus he will at least get a few more mil this coming up season. The Bengals are being rumored, but who knows...someone will pick him up.
he's not a team player. he's a selfish player who will never win a championship. he's played with 2 very good qbs in McNabb and Romo and T.O. ruined his chance at still being able to play with one of those guys. he's been a very good wr but has inflated stats from playing in the passing era and getting so many passes his way so he doesn't throw a tantrum and bring the whole team down. you saw it here in Dallas when he didn't get passes early he'd start getting lazy and stopped trying. he's a boy in a man's body with plenty of female traits.
 

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thechosen1n2;3268910 said:
So TO made Donovan throw dumb interceptions in the Superbowl, or made crayton stop on his route that could have one the giants game.

Try Again.

He personally destroyed the chemistry in both of those locker rooms to the point that moving forward with him as a member of either of those teams became an impossibility.

It's really not that hard to understand. In fact the only people on the entire planet who seem to have a problem grasping TO's colossal failures as a teammate are those that forever have their lips firmly attached to his rear end.
 
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