Jerry would never do this, but send Moore packing

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Regardless of what you think of Dak, he's not going anywhere. He's here for a few more years. You can dabble in fixing the talent around him but IMO, that just won't be enough. The only other option to try to squeeze more out of him is give him a fresh voice, a new offensive system. He and Moore have stagnated, specifically when it comes to situations like last night.

Before the Moore fans get all goosy and poop all over this thread, I am not saying Moore sucks. But the reality is the OC is a lot easier to replace than a QB with massive cap hits. Jerry likes to wax on about how he has had to make a lot of tough decisions his entire career in business and in most cases, they have panned out for him.

Here's another opportunity. If you really want to try to get more out of Dak, I think the easiest way is get another OC in his ear, another system that can scheme guys open, etc. Make it easier for Dak. I tend to think Moore and company expect Dak to turn whatever they are spinning into pure gold. It might be time to try someone who can turn what Dak is spinning into gold.
 

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Jerry loves Moore. I don't know why, but that's the only reason this dude has been promoted through the ranks for failing at everything he's ever tried to do in the NFL. Moore will outlast MM here.
Agree. I'm afraid Jerry is going to make Moore the next HC. Just wait for it. :oops:
 

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Jerry loves more because he thinks he can become Peyton. Which is ridiculous to be honest
 

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I'd be open to bringing someone in but like Dak and our HC who is going to be better?

Kellen isn't perfect, but when he's had a healthy Dak we're usually near the top of the NFL in ppg.

IMO we're in desperate, desperate need of talent at the WR position and just offensive weapons in general. We don't have a starting caliber #2 WR and have ZERO deep threat. Dak's first pick was on him, but that's part of the reason you're seeing DB's jump those curl routes. Not scared at all of getting beat.
 

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Regardless of what you think of Dak, he's not going anywhere. He's here for a few more years. You can dabble in fixing the talent around him but IMO, that just won't be enough. The only other option to try to squeeze more out of him is give him a fresh voice, a new offensive system. He and Moore have stagnated, specifically when it comes to situations like last night.

Before the Moore fans get all goosy and poop all over this thread, I am not saying Moore sucks. But the reality is the OC is a lot easier to replace than a QB with massive cap hits. Jerry likes to wax on about how he has had to make a lot of tough decisions his entire career in business and in most cases, they have panned out for him.

Here's another opportunity. If you really want to try to get more out of Dak, I think the easiest way is get another OC in his ear, another system that can scheme guys open, etc. Make it easier for Dak. I tend to think Moore and company expect Dak to turn whatever they are spinning into pure gold. It might be time to try someone who can turn what Dak is spinning into gold.
Agree with this line of thinking. I put this in another thread but we’ve seen this story already. MM needs to run his offense with someone of his choice. Moore can go.
 

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I would trade Moore if I could. That offense is outdated. Has little imagination or creativity. Time for a new OC. Otherwise we will waste the next 2 years waiting for Dak's contract to finally allow us to move on from him.
 

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That's Jerry's Boy. Jerry is not going to admit failure. The Cowboys need an OC who can really coach QBs. McCarthy either needs to have more influence on the offense or they need to move on from him (Moore too).
 

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Regardless of what you think of Dak, he's not going anywhere. He's here for a few more years. You can dabble in fixing the talent around him but IMO, that just won't be enough. The only other option to try to squeeze more out of him is give him a fresh voice, a new offensive system. He and Moore have stagnated, specifically when it comes to situations like last night.

Before the Moore fans get all goosy and poop all over this thread, I am not saying Moore sucks. But the reality is the OC is a lot easier to replace than a QB with massive cap hits. Jerry likes to wax on about how he has had to make a lot of tough decisions his entire career in business and in most cases, they have panned out for him.

Here's another opportunity. If you really want to try to get more out of Dak, I think the easiest way is get another OC in his ear, another system that can scheme guys open, etc. Make it easier for Dak. I tend to think Moore and company expect Dak to turn whatever they are spinning into pure gold. It might be time to try someone who can turn what Dak is spinning into gold.
I’m hoping Jerry actually concludes that the combo of the two isn’t working.

He was Daks backup for crying out loud, and kept on as OC to keep Dak comfortable (as if they were killing it) and so Jerry could have his control.

I don’t expect him to step away, but I do hold out hope that he realizes the Dak coddle situation isn’t inspiring greatness and it’s time for a change.
 

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Regardless of what you think of Dak, he's not going anywhere. He's here for a few more years. You can dabble in fixing the talent around him but IMO, that just won't be enough. The only other option to try to squeeze more out of him is give him a fresh voice, a new offensive system. He and Moore have stagnated, specifically when it comes to situations like last night.

Before the Moore fans get all goosy and poop all over this thread, I am not saying Moore sucks. But the reality is the OC is a lot easier to replace than a QB with massive cap hits. Jerry likes to wax on about how he has had to make a lot of tough decisions his entire career in business and in most cases, they have panned out for him.

Here's another opportunity. If you really want to try to get more out of Dak, I think the easiest way is get another OC in his ear, another system that can scheme guys open, etc. Make it easier for Dak. I tend to think Moore and company expect Dak to turn whatever they are spinning into pure gold. It might be time to try someone who can turn what Dak is spinning into gold.
You expect Jerry to make the hard and bold decision?
This is the man who kept Garrett around for 10 years because it was the easy comfortable thing to do.
 

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Way too many players saying our offense is basic, simple, etc. what does being ranked close to top in offense mean if your qb can’t get it done when it counts and your OC refuses to run on 2nd and 2.
 

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Agree. I'm afraid Jerry is going to make Moore the next HC. Just wait for it. :oops:
Another Garret situation. I think Jerry has already announced MM is coming back. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone is biting on KM as a head coach this off season. Quinn is probably gone.
 

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Just look at bringing on Quinn and see how much effect coaching has on the team. Kellen Moore isn't bad and the offense has looked very potent at times under him. Certainly better than Garrett era offenses, but he simply doesn't have the experience to really get it going when it matters, which is the play-offs. On that Gallup interception, it's like they already knew what we were going to do.

Unfortunately, Kellen Moore is a mini Garrett in that he's cool with and hand picked by the Jones boys, so it may be another half decade before we look at improving at that spot
 

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Jerry loves Moore. I don't know why, but that's the only reason this dude has been promoted through the ranks for failing at everything he's ever tried to do in the NFL. Moore will outlast MM here.


I bet and I'm no fan of his he'll go somewhere else and will do a decent job
 

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There's simply too many nonsensical mistakes being made, and you CAN'T do that in the playoffs. Why are we tossing 20 yards down the field on 3rd and 3 when Dak doesn't have the best down field accuracy and we don't have WRs aside from lamb getting a lot of separation? Take the short, easy throw.

I also feel like we need a reliable TE. Schultz can make solid catches at times, but he drops a lot too. We need someone reliable on these short plays so that we can actually convert on 3rd down.

This is stuff a GM should be doing but unfortunately our owner is the GM and they are busy partying on a yacht and doing other stuff than the proper talent evals
 

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I'd be open to bringing someone in but like Dak and our HC who is going to be better?

Kellen isn't perfect, but when he's had a healthy Dak we're usually near the top of the NFL in ppg.

IMO we're in desperate, desperate need of talent at the WR position and just offensive weapons in general. We don't have a starting caliber #2 WR and have ZERO deep threat. Dak's first pick was on him, but that's part of the reason you're seeing DB's jump those curl routes. Not scared at all of getting beat.
No. They are jumping the routes because they know whats coming. They have been seeing this offense for over a decade. Nothing has changed.
 

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Regardless of what you think of Dak, he's not going anywhere. He's here for a few more years. You can dabble in fixing the talent around him but IMO, that just won't be enough. The only other option to try to squeeze more out of him is give him a fresh voice, a new offensive system. He and Moore have stagnated, specifically when it comes to situations like last night.

Before the Moore fans get all goosy and poop all over this thread, I am not saying Moore sucks. But the reality is the OC is a lot easier to replace than a QB with massive cap hits. Jerry likes to wax on about how he has had to make a lot of tough decisions his entire career in business and in most cases, they have panned out for him.

Here's another opportunity. If you really want to try to get more out of Dak, I think the easiest way is get another OC in his ear, another system that can scheme guys open, etc. Make it easier for Dak. I tend to think Moore and company expect Dak to turn whatever they are spinning into pure gold. It might be time to try someone who can turn what Dak is spinning into gold.
I think his replacement should be Reich. Reich is a WCO like McCarthy and alot of what we have is perfect for a WCO
 

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I’m hoping Jerry actually concludes that the combo of the two isn’t working.

He was Daks backup for crying out loud, and kept on as OC to keep Dak comfortable (as if they were killing it) and so Jerry could have his control.

I don’t expect him to step away, but I do hold out hope that he realizes the Dak coddle situation isn’t inspiring greatness and it’s time for a change.
Jerry will never do this. Moore is family. Jerry is always a day late, dollar short in recognizing that one of his guys isn't working. I actually think deep down he believes McCarthy will step aside in a few years and Moore will be elevated to HC.
 
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