Jimmy J and Bill P

[eromeopolk]

Jimmy would send messages. No need to cut an Emmitt Smith or a Troy Aikman, or even Michael Irvin. But if you're a fringe player, and you're fumbling, constantly missing assignments, committing penalties, or sleeping in meetings.........you're sacrificed for the others doing the same, to see. An accountability message.

Jimmy sat Emmitt for fumbling during a game. He sat Irvin for a series after he missed a flight. He benched a healthy Troy Aikman to continue the winning streak with Steve Beuerlein.

Yes Jimmy used fringe players to send messages. But, he also sent messages through his top players. As Smith once said after Jimmy singled him out, the other players would no they would not stand a chance if they know Jimmy would get on him.

 

[Ranching]

These two would never let players say anything via internet or twitter etc. about the team. Micah “Big Mouth” Parsons would be shut down or sat down.

That's why they don't coach anymore. It's a different world. It is what it is

 

[CTcowboy203]

They would have absolutely no way to stop a player from tweeting out whatever they wanted. The social media era is an entirely different beast.

 

[oldcorvetteguy]

Tom Landry - let Hollywood Henderson do drugs on sideline and ignored off field crimes.
Bill Parcells - let Lawrence Taylor do drugs on sideline and ignore off field crimes.
Jimmy Johnson - let players have a drug and prostitute rape clubhouse that was raided buy the police.

Cowboy fans ...... man those coaches were strict guys that would not let players get away with anything.



Todays coaches - lets players say mean and dumb stuff on internet.

Cowboy fans - these coaches are weak and have no control over players.

Hollywood told me that Landry was very hard on him. He also said that a few years later,Landry apologized to him.

 

[Captain-Crash]

the coaches of Dallas past, they're done and gone. you get what jerry gives you and you better like it.

 

[zrinkill]

Hollywood told me that Landry was very hard on him. He also said that a few years later,Landry apologized to him.

yea ok

 

[darthseinfeld]

These two would never let players say anything via internet or twitter etc. about the team. Micah “Big Mouth” Parsons would be shut down or sat down.

Did you actually pay attention to them?

 

[Kwyn]

These two would never let players say anything via internet or twitter etc. about the team. Micah “Big Mouth” Parsons would be shut down or sat down.

You don’t seem to remember the reality of both those guys or the Cowboys in general.

Do you think LT, with a coke habit so severe he was snorting during games, operated without Parcells knowing what was up? It’s one of the most infamous instances of coaches letter players do what they want as long as they were good.

Do you think Jimmy didn’t know that prostitutes and cocaine parties at the White House were a thing? Like anlmost every night some number of players were going nuts over there?

“They obviously took care of business on the field,” says Anthony “Paco” Montoya, Irvin’s former long-time personal assistant. “But, man, nobody partied like them. Fights. Women. Drinking. Orgies. I’ll just say this: If there would have been smartphones and social media back then, the Cowboys wouldn’t have been able to field a team come Sunday.”

Everyone remembers when Irvin stabbed Everett McIver with scissors and while Jimmy silenced the locker room, Jerry silenced the media.

Oh, and it didn’t start then. Too Tall had famous parties with all kinds of debauchery where many players were present. Hollywood? Remember him? Harvey? Rentzell and Septien?

You think Tex and Tom had some knowledge of that stuff? Of course they did. North Dallas Forty anyone?

Former Cowboys scout John Wooten said,

"Coach Landry was approached [by team officials in 1983] and told we were going to lose this team to drugs.... But he just couldn't believe the effect it could have.... [Landry thought that] the team was still close enough to a Super Bowl that just a little more time, and it would be O.K."

Both championship eras had extremely permissive cultures where players were shielded, supported and defended.

A lot of people see history through rose colored glasses and then take this holier than thou stance as if their heroes of yore were saints and not actual human beings who did stupid, destructive and criminal things.

 

[nightrain]

These two would never let players say anything via internet or twitter etc. about the team. Micah “Big Mouth” Parsons would be shut down or sat down.

Belichick is a better example because he has coached during the height of social media and his players have remained mostly buttoned up.

 

[Cmac]

Jimmy sat Emmitt for fumbling during a game. He sat Irvin for a series after he missed a flight. He benched a healthy Troy Aikman to continue the winning streak with Steve Beuerlein.

Yes Jimmy used fringe players to send messages. But, he also sent messages through his top players. As Smith once said after Jimmy singled him out, the other players would no they would not stand a chance if they know Jimmy would get on him.

Never said he didn't discipline his top players........but when asked if Emmitt was sleep in a meeting......he said "He'd ask if Emmitt was ok?" or similar. But he ain't cutting many on those teams in comparison to fringe players.

And Jimmy's teams were loaded with "dawgs" and ball hawks on game day. Leon Lett wasn't cut on that snowy Thanskgiving day game vs Miami. A Sam Williams would have been gone before Friday.

 

[blueblood70]

These two would never let players say anything via internet or twitter etc. about the team. Micah “Big Mouth” Parsons would be shut down or sat down.

And they were in a different era and a different generation things have changed big time and neither one of them would the elder survive in today's NFL.... Literally they would have such a disconnect with players they're gonna go through what bill belichick's going through right now he doesn't know how to draft or interview or get through to some of his current young crop of players he no longer has Tom Brady to do it for him....

. You all realize it was a different time and even way back with Jimmy Johnson left here free agency the salary cap all that stuff is changed players are born with the phone in their hand now and social media Twitter Instagram all those things are normal everyday things people having their own blogs and podcasts you're not stopping any players from doing that I don't see a team in this league that shuts their players down if anything it's the norm now so I don't know what your point is you can't bring back these dinosaurs they would not fit and you want some proof Jimmy Johnson didn't do a single thing after he left here and bill Parcells didn't really do anything once he left the giants things changed they're gone this is the new NFL and all these young new coaches you know like the Miami coach that's what the NFL coaches are starting to look like.... Believe it or not it's also why someone like Kellen Moore can survive in this league he is the future type of coaches that we're seeing you talk about sometimes you bring in race where certain color of coats might better be suited to a sport because they can understand and relate well right now that's also age and generation and these guys you wanna talk about they would not fit in today's NFL... There's absolutely nothing that can be done about it it's here to stay.

 

[blueblood70]

You don’t seem to remember the reality of both those guys or the Cowboys in general.

Do you think LT, with a coke habit so severe he was snorting during games, operated without Parcells knowing what was up? It’s one of the most infamous instances of coaches letter players do what they want as long as they were good.

Do you think Jimmy didn’t know that prostitutes and cocaine parties at the White House were a thing? Like anlmost every night some number of players were going nuts over there?

“They obviously took care of business on the field,” says Anthony “Paco” Montoya, Irvin’s former long-time personal assistant. “But, man, nobody partied like them. Fights. Women. Drinking. Orgies. I’ll just say this: If there would have been smartphones and social media back then, the Cowboys wouldn’t have been able to field a team come Sunday.”

Everyone remembers when Irvin stabbed Everett McIver with scissors and while Jimmy silenced the locker room, Jerry silenced the media.

Oh, and it didn’t start then. Too Tall had famous parties with all kinds of debauchery where many players were present. Hollywood? Remember him? Harvey? Rentzell and Septien?

You think Tex and Tom had some knowledge of that stuff? Of course they did. North Dallas Forty anyone?

Former Cowboys scout John Wooten said,

"Coach Landry was approached [by team officials in 1983] and told we were going to lose this team to drugs.... But he just couldn't believe the effect it could have.... [Landry thought that] the team was still close enough to a Super Bowl that just a little more time, and it would be O.K."

Both championship eras had extremely permissive cultures where players were shielded, supported and defended.

A lot of people see history through rose colored glasses and then take this holier than thou stance as if their heroes of yore were saints and not actual human beings who did stupid, destructive and criminal things.

Yeah they thought that these guys could make an example out of anyone willing to cut anyone they act like this is high school or even college where there's such a big roster in a pool of talent that they could just do anything they want as a coach like they're a staff Sergeant or a drill Sergeant and that's not the truth you are 100% correct they made examples out of players who were less involved or important to the team... The stars got away with just as many things as today but they didn't have Twitter back then... Social media was not big and there's no way to control these things now this is the new NFL this is sports in general I mean look what's going on in the NBA with all the contracts being traded around and players moving wherever they want all they gotta do is make a little bit of a disruption...

 

[Chasing6]

No one can control what players say on social media. With a salary cap you can’t just threaten to cut players or bench them to prevent them from free speech and expressing themselves online. It’s a lot different these days.

You could put in their contract.

 

[DallasEast]

You could put in their contract.

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf

NFL/NFLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement, Article 51, Miscellaneous, Section 6, Public Statements:

The NFLPA and the Management Council agree that each will use reasonable efforts to curtail public comments by Club personnel or players which express criticism of any club, its coach, or its operation and policy, or which tend to cast discredit upon a Club, a player, or any other person involved in the operation of a Club, the NFL, the Management Council, or the NFLPA. ​

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______________________

Any player contractual language would also be bound and adhere to the CBA. And the CBA is so ambiguous about what players can and cannot say, in regards to possible disciplinary action, that interpretation can be wide reaching for what is or is not detrimental to any and all parties.

Players can say or do whatever they wish unless it is judged as blatantly harmful. What and how blatantly harmful is assigned to an instance is always the question.

 

[eromeopolk]

Never said he didn't discipline his top players........but when asked if Emmitt was sleep in a meeting......he said "He'd ask if Emmitt was ok?" or similar. But he ain't cutting many on those teams in comparison to fringe players.

And Jimmy's teams were loaded with "dawgs" and ball hawks on game day. Leon Lett wasn't cut on that snowy Thanskgiving day game vs Miami. A Sam Williams would have been gone before Friday.

We agree. Just pointed out that Jimmy had requirements, accountability, and responsibility for all his players no matter of their importance to the team. There was no doubt that the leader of the football team was the Head Coach who was not the Owner of the Team and GM of the team. Jimmy was Head Coach in charge and every player knew it.

I would not cut Sam Williams. Remember the 3 year rule from Landry, Jimmy and Parcells. Sam showed he was a team player playing gunner on special teams as a DE. If you did not have the 3 year rule, you would not have Roger Staubach and many other Dallas Cowboy star and starting players.

 

[Cmac]

We agree. Just pointed out that Jimmy had requirements, accountability, and responsibility for all his players no matter of their importance to the team. There was no doubt that the leader of the football team was the Head Coach who was not the Owner of the Team and GM of the team. Jimmy was Head Coach in charge and every player knew it.

I would not cut Sam Williams. Remember the 3 year rule from Landry, Jimmy and Parcells. Sam showed he was a team player playing gunner on special teams as a DE. If you did not have the 3 year rule, you would not have Roger Staubach and many other Dallas Cowboy star and starting players.

Agree about Sam, but there weren't going to be too many mental mistakes happening, for sure, before he started looking over his shoulder. Not sure about the 3-year rule other than being specific to draft eligibility.

 

[NDGAEDE]

The dumbest ****. You realize most of today's players were born in the 2000s?

 

[eromeopolk]

Agree about Sam, but there weren't going to be too many mental mistakes happening, for sure, before he started looking over his shoulder. Not sure about the 3-year rule other than being specific to draft eligibility.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/parcell...econd year, I have,Landry Rule served me well.

 

[Cmac]

https://www.the33rdteam.com/parcells-the-tom-landry-rule-and-putting-a-roster-together/#:~:text=The second year, I have,Landry Rule served me well.

Got it. Thanks, but as Parcells implemented that, I'm not so sure Jimmy Johnson did. Do you think?

 

[John813]

I know facebook came around 2005-2006 mainstream wise but trying to recall when twitter really took off. It seemed to me at first players drafted in the mid 2000's never really had known social media accounts, sans the ones that played forever into the 2020's. Definitely seems like the players that grew up with twitter in high school are the ones more active in it, which makes sense. And we've seen some ugly posts being brought up from the grave for players from time to time.

It's just a new era. You got the cap, players have more "rights" and abilities than they did 30 years ago. I doubt any coach could be taken seriously if he tried to control their off the field actions by limiting social media. Within reason of course, as if they went off the wall like Jones/Brown then maybe the team itself would try to limit damage to their brand. But simply posting thoughts or having a podcast is becoming the norm.