Jimmy Johnson: 'Right decision' to stick with Dak Prescott

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tyke1doe said:
Actually, I do believe a healthy Romo outplays Dak. I don't know how one can think otherwise, especially since Romo has seen more fronts, schemes and situations on defense and in the game than Dak has.
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The fact is that in Romo's career he's never had a better QBR than Dak had this season (I originally erred and thought Romo did in 2014).

Here's his QBR's over the years (Dak had a QBR of 82.6)

2006 - 69.7
2007 - 78.6
2008 - 59.6
2009 - 68.0
2010 - 71.9
2011 - 72.9
2012 - 68.6
2013 - 65.2
2014 - 81.8

Those are still good numbers, but I can't imagine how anybody can be so sure that a healthy Romo would out-perform Dak last season because he has yet to do it.






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tyke1doe said:
Please don't act like this never happened. It has. I remember during the must-win game a few years ago when we played the Commanders, when Romo served up an interception on second down, a poster arguing with me that it was as good as a punt. On second down?
Yes, there have been plenty of posters who have defended Romo come hell or high waters.
But I don't go around with a notebook jotting down people's names and what they said so I can throw it back at them.
Nevertheless, I'm sure those who've witness the same arguments can back me up. :)
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It might have been me.... there were plenty of us! But that said, I was not a fan of Dak during the draft process last year, and wasn't expecting much from him as a back up. I did know that we had to get a QB in the draft, there will be some lean years in the upcoming drafts with poor QB prospects.

When Dak started playing well in pre-season, and then carried it into the season, I never imagined bringing Tony back in when he was cleared to play. I love Tony and have been one of his biggest supporters and defenders, but it's Dak time in Dallas.
 

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SultanOfSix said:
I've never witnessed it happening, so no, I can't act like it has ever happened. I don't generally assert all-or-nothings for things because all it takes is one counter example to evidence otherwise.

I highly doubt any regular here has ever absolved Romo of any blame in all instances. Too much nuance to make such a bald assertion.
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Well, you haven't been keeping track of the conversations I've had with others here. Again, I gave you an example of a poster (can't remember the name) who argued endlessly with me on why Romo's deep pass that was intercepted was as good as a punt ... ON SECOND DOWN!!!

Now maybe that poster went on to criticize Romo, I don't know. But in many of these individual conversations we have about Romo, posters DO absolve him of blame. Or, at least, that's the general tenor of their posts.
 

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Yakuza Rich said:
The fact is that in Romo's career he's never had a better QBR than Dak had this season (I originally erred and thought Romo did in 2014).

Here's his QBR's over the years (Dak had a QBR of 82.6)

2006 - 69.7
2007 - 78.6
2008 - 59.6
2009 - 68.0
2010 - 71.9
2011 - 72.9
2012 - 68.6
2013 - 65.2
2014 - 81.8

Those are still good numbers, but I can't imagine how anybody can be so sure that a healthy Romo would out-perform Dak last season because he has yet to do it.

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It depends on what you mean by "out perform."
If you mean Dak's durability, point taken.
If you mean production, I think Romo would have been more productive.
Why do I say this? Just look at the Eagles game as a small sample. Dak led a field goal drive, Romo a touchdown drive.

Look, I supported Dak all through the season. But I think a healthy Romo would have been better overall passing the ball. I don't know whether he would have made it through the season. I don't know if he would have taken a chance that would have resulted in a turnover - history suggests he would have.
But I think Romo would have been a better passer and would have completed more passes and more passes down field.

Be that as it may, it can never been proven so I'm not going to get in a falling out over it. You may have the last word, good sir. :)
 
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tyke1doe said:
It depends on what you mean by "out perform."
If you mean Dak's durability, point taken.
If you mean production, I think Romo would have been more productive.
Why do I say this? Just look at the Eagles game as a small sample. Dak led a field goal drive, Romo a touchdown drive.
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That's a ridiculously small sample size that makes it a moot point.

Look, I supported Dak all through the season. But I think a healthy Romo would have been better overall passing the ball. I don't know whether he would have made it through the season. I don't know if he would have taken a chance that would have resulted in a turnover - history suggests he would have.
But I think Romo would have been a better passer and would have completed more passes and more passes down field.

Be that as it may, it can never been proven so I'm not going to get in a falling out over it. You may have the last word, good sir. :)
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I don't have a problem with an opinion of what may have happened, I just don't see those that are so 100% sure that it would happen because with QBR...it never did for Romo.




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Yakuza Rich said:
Like QBR?

That's what I thought.




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Umm...you said ball placement. Also, QBR is also determined by TD to interception ratio as well, so obviously a QB that takes more chances down the field, or even in general, is going to have a higher interception ratio and diminish such a rating. That has little to do your claim of Dak having better accuracy in short to intermediate passes. Excuse me for believing in the 5th best completion percentage in league history over a career of ten years (tied with Peyton Manning) as a better indicator than a single year of play.
 
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SultanOfSix said:
Umm...you said ball placement. Also, QBR is also determined by TD to interception ratio as well, so obviously a QB that takes more chances down the field, or even in general, is going to have a higher interception ratio and diminish such a rating.
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He's also going to have a greater TD ratio as well to help his rating.




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Yakuza Rich said:
He's also going to have a greater TD ratio as well to help his rating.




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It's TDs or INTs per attempt. A QB who throws more increases the chance to throw TDs, but will also diminish his rating due to the number of attempts. Likewise, a QB who throws more increases the chance to throw INTs, but will also increase his rating due to the number of attempts. However, TDs/attempt are multiplied by .2, whereas INTs/attempt are multiplied by.25. That means the INT ratio has a more detrimental effect on QB rating. Also, a QB that simply throws longer passes is going to increase his chance of throwing INTs, and diminish his completion percentage per attempt which also diminishes QBR.
 
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CanadianCowboysFan said:
weren't you the guy who said trade Dak and who cares who the backup is when Romo goes down?
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I said that I would trade Dak for picks 1 and 12 from Cleveland. I didn't say the who cares about the backup. I've thought the whole time that Romo should start and Dak should back him up because Romo and Dak is better than Dak and anybody else.
 
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KJJ said:
What Jimmy said I was saying the same thing during the season. We were winning and the team had rallied around Dak, it wouldn't have made any sense to go back to Romo but good luck trying to convince Romo FANS of that.
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Watch how Romo plays this season.
 
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