JJT disses Fisher

[Kittymama]

From another board, where a poster had sent JJT Fisher's article refuting the "old players" theory. He got an e-mail back from JJT, sulking as usual. JJT's response:


Sorry, don't have any real interest in reading anything fisher wrote as some
type of response to what I wrote. He was here for a week and I don't
remember him asking Parcells a single question. I also don't have much
respect for a guy who often uses the stories that other people write as a
springboard for his own stories. Doesn't he have any original thoughts?
Actually, it's kind of sad. He used to cover the Cowboys and be a mover and
shaker. Now, he's an irrelevant radio personality. The coaches don't know
him and neither do the players.

Thanks for thinking of me, though, I hope Fisher isn't a relative,

Jacques

 

[Kittymama]

I also don't have much respect for a guy who often uses the stories that other people write as a springboard for his own stories. Doesn't he have any original thoughts? Actually, it's kind of sad. He used to cover the Cowboys and be a mover and shaker. Now, he's an irrelevant radio personality. The coaches don't know him and neither do the players.

Jacques

Geez, French Mistake(n)--talk about the pot calling the kettle black (or should I say Mistake(n)?). Original thoughts? Honey--I've been reading your columns for 3 years now & haven't seen an original thought out of you yet. Just recycling whatver agenda Newey wants to dredge up. Do you have actual thoughts? Please point out some that you've had. Any column. Anything? (sound of crickets chirping)

"Irrelevant" & "sad?" Well, it takes one to know one!

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Sour grapes make bitter whine, I suppose. In my estimation, JJT isn't half the writer that Fisher is.

 

[AsthmaField]

Hahahha. Ole JJT didn't like that one bit.

Fisher has to expect that kind of thing though. You don't write negative things about your peers and then get brought into the water cooler crowd.

 

[tyke1doe]

Does this "bash the beat reporter" game get a bit old to you guys?

Sheesh.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Mediot fight!!!:write: c:

:fight:

I think JJT can take Fish. Anybody wanna put some $$ on it...

 

[Yeagermeister]

Ok who is Fisher?

 

[AsthmaField]

Ok who is Fisher?

A reporter in the Dallas Metro area.


http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30940

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Mediot fight!!!:write: c:

:fight:

I'm not expecting William F. Buckley vs Gore Vidal on this one.

More along the lines of Moe Howard vs Bart Simpson.

With the final battle looking something like that poison pen letter allegedly sent JJT last year.

I think JJT can take Fish. Anybody wanna put some $$ on it...

A good old-fashioned cat fight would demonstrate a higher level of testosterone, I suspect.

"Taking" in this case would amount to whose limp-wristed slaps and pedicured nail scratches pack more wallop.

I haven't seen Fisher, so I will concur with you JJT's present level of physical 'fitness' is superior.

But I'm thinking Len Pasquarelli vs John Clayton... how could you tell who won.

 

[dargonking999]

is the little itty baby mad because somebody didnt like what the baby wrote.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm not expecting William F. Buckley vs Gore Vidal on this one.

More along the lines of Moe Howard vs Bart Simpson.

With the final battle looking something like that poison pen letter allegedly sent JJT last year.



A good old-fashioned cat fight would demonstrate a higher level of testosterone, I suspect.

"Taking" in this case would amount to whose limp-wristed slaps and pedicured nail scratches pack more wallop.

I haven't seen Fisher, so I will concur with you JJT's present level of physical 'fitness' is superior.

But I'm thinking Len Pasquarelli vs John Clayton... how could you tell who won.

Oooooh that's got to hurt. A woman comparing a fight between two men as a catfight...

BWAHAHAHAHA

Or maybe it would be a battle between who could type the fastest... and the least factual... :laugh2:

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

Does this "bash the beat reporter" game get a bit old to you guys?

Sheesh.

Don't really go out of my way to bash JJT. But I must confess that his immediate resort to ad hominem strikes me as less than impressive. Fisher wrote a fairly persuasive research piece that essentially exploded JJT's unreflective (and apparently, under-researched) claim that this team was old. For JJT not to even try to respond with arguments of his own, but simply cast aspersions on Fisher's credentials, is simply an abdication of the battle. JJT entered into the argumentative battlefield with his original commentary. But as soon as the battle was joined by an opponent that was prepared to parry his clumsy thrust, he runs away under the pretext that the opponent is somehow unworthy? Sorry. That kind of weakness deserves to be bashed.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Oooooh that's got to hurt. A woman comparing a fight between two men as a catfight...

BWAHAHAHAHA

Or maybe it would be a battle between who could type the fastest... and the least factual... :laugh2:

I'll tell you who I see as a championship cat fighter.

Bayliss. There's the queen of the ring, right there.

I bet the only 'media personality' who could defeat him is Mr Blackwell.

 

[tyke1doe]

Don't really go out of my way to bash JJT. But I must confess that his immediate resort to ad hominem strikes me as less than impressive. Fisher wrote a fairly persuasive research piece that essentially exploded JJT's unreflective (and apparently, under-researched) claim that this team was old. For JJT not to even try to respond with arguments of his own, but simply cast aspersions on Fisher's credentials, is simply an abdication of the battle. JJT entered into the argumentative battlefield with his original commentary. But as soon as the battle was joined by an opponent that was prepared to parry his clumsy thrust, he runs away under the pretext that the opponent is somehow unworthy? Sorry. That kind of weakness deserves to be bashed.

Good post, Outlaw Heroes. I just see so many of these posts critical of what certain reporters write, it gets a bit old even as the posts get a bit juvenile. But to your credit, you did explain why you called JJT out. That's the insight I'd rather see than these trite, unoriginal and uninspiring "JJT/Galloway/Fisher/Hansen is an idiot" threads.

 

[speedkilz88]

I haven't seen Fisher, so I will concur with you JJT's present level of physical 'fitness' is superior.

But I'm thinking Len Pasquarelli vs John Clayton... how could you tell who won.

 

[lspain1]

Good post, Outlaw Heroes. I just see so many of these posts critical of what certain reporters write, it gets a bit old even as the posts get a bit juvenile. But to your credit, you did explain why you called JJT out. That's the insight I'd rather see than these trite, unoriginal and uninspiring "JJT/Galloway/Fisher/Hansen is an idiot" threads.

Well!!! The XXXX is an idiot threads may be trite, unoriginal, and uninspiring....but that doesn't mean they're not true :

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Good post, Outlaw Heroes. I just see so many of these posts critical of what certain reporters write, it gets a bit old even as the posts get a bit juvenile. But to your credit, you did explain why you called JJT out. That's the insight I'd rather see than these trite, unoriginal and uninspiring "JJT/Galloway/Fisher/Hansen is an idiot" threads.

Most of the trite, unoriginal, and uninspiring posts here trashing the 'writers' are not critical of what they write.

But of what they don't write. And I don't mean opinion-wise.

On any good day on this board, you can find 'amateurs' offering up keener insight, deeper analysis, and sounder evaluation than the 'pros', with a FEW exceptions. Never mind the enthusiasm and detail put into the camp reports by various fans on the boards..when I was foolish enough to complain to Matt Mosley (as a CowboysPlus subscriber) last year that his camp reports were lacking in specific info, he replied that "fans don't want to read words like "jamming" in sports articles".

The reason I love sports boards so much is how much I have learned from them. Much much more than from any sports writer..about the game itself. Learned, and am still learning everyday, and that has fueled my love of football enormously.

Some of us want to be educated as well as informed by professional writers. We are the layman, they are the experts.

But in reality the most cogent and well written pieces usually come from the unpaid interns at dc.com, and the closest analysis from fans who, fortunately, share their insight and opinions on the forums every day.

I for one don't expect well turned phrases, and witty rejoiners in every column. "Professional writer" does not entail a particularly "talented " one.

But I do expect, within the constrictions of deadlines, column space, and editorial decision, solid and yes, even 'imaginative" and maybe on occasion even "inspiring" writing.

I don't want to have to settle for homeristic regurgitation OR disagreement for disagreement's sake OR that "trite" covering of the press conference because the reporter found it easier to swallow the spoon fed pablum than to get out there and interview, investigate, watch and report.

I am very disappointed with the quality of the sports writing on the national and local levels, perhaps because I am old enough to have grown up on the writing of folks like Joe Falls.

The experts need to step it up, imo. The amateurs are more impressive.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

First round KO...2.4 minutes in.

Fisher working the solar plexus, then a few left jabs topside followed by a right hook.

JJT did get a few 'sucker punches' in, tho.

 

[Eddie]

Who's Fisher?

 

[NorTex]

Here is the article that Fisher wrote:

Memo to the Dallas Morning News

Drew Bledsoe

By Mike Fisher TheRanchReport.com
Date: Aug 4, 2005

OXNARD, Calif. -- Our position that the 2005 Cowboys are in fact not especially elderly has created a bit of a stir among followers -- especially because it comes on the heels of a Dallas Morning News article claiming that the team employs an excess of players in the 30-year-old range.

Wrote Jean-Jaques Taylor, "The NFL is a young man's game. ... So there has to be some trepidation when a survey of the Cowboys' roster shows 15 players who are at least 30 years old or will turn 30 during this season.''

We aren't disputing those numbers; a quick glance at the Cowboys roster can verify them. Heck, Taylor's position even drew concessionary comments from coach Bill Parcells.

But in the interest of non-linear thinking (hey, that's just the way our brains are wired!), we thought the issue worthy of a few more "quick glances.''

After all, we thought, how do you know if Dallas' 15 30-year-olds are "too many'' unless you compare that number to other teams' ages?

Memo to the DMN: ooops.

We did this randomly, we promise: Just started scanning assorted NFL rosters. And guess what? The Giants, like Dallas an also-ran NFC East team, have 13 players 29 and up. The Vikings, trying to remake themselves in the post-Moss era, have 14. The Packers, consided by some to be Brett Favre surrounded by kids, have 15. Oh, and the Washington Commanders, who surely ought to be in rebuilding mode? The number of guys on their roster who are 29 and up? Um, 21!

Bad teams have "too many''; the Raiders have 20 of 'em. Good teams have "too many''; New England has 19 of 'em.

There are seven examples. Had enough? Want more? Philly has 14. Pittsburgh has 23. Arizona has 13. Buffalo has 14. St. Louis has 15. Carolina has 19. The Chiefs have 25!

That's a random cross section of 14 teams. (We're sure we can find exceptions to what increasingly seems like our own little self-discovered rule, but our eyes are starting to blur and spin.)

And they are all just as "too old'' as Dallas. Good teams, bad teams, title teams, rebuilding teams -- all the same. Like we say, a little non-linear thinking goes a long way -- and helps us avoid the "ooops'' moments.

This is actually the first Fisher article that I have agreed with in the month or two that he has been writing for the Ranch Report.