JJT on ESPN's OTL

[DallasEast]

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[gmoney112]

starting picture is too fitting

 

[Q_the_man]

looks like Ken Norton Jr.........

 

[ddh33]

I know a lot of fans don't like hearing any of this stuff, but this team imploded down the stretch.

I laugh at all of this talk about accountability and policing yourself. Folks, that is impossible to do while TO controls your lockerroom. And he controls this one...

With that in mind, I think you have to decide whether you are going to keep TO and his lockerroom, or are you going to bring in another head coach with a stronger personality and give him the lockerroom?

If Wade and Garrett are Jerry's guys, he needs to move TO.

If he loves TO and believes that the talent here is good enough, he needs to get a coach who can control this situaion and bring a stronger voice into the lockerroom because it won't be Wade.

It's an either/or situation. That's just the way it is, and if Jerry doesn't make the hard decision, I think we can all look forward to more of the same next year. Wade will try to coach, and TO will still be doing his political work in the lockerrom. Jerry will support the talent, and Romo will feel more pressure to throw to a certain player instead of the open guy.

Make the decision, Jerry. On or the other...

 

[HanD]

:signmast:

i agree ddh33

:bravo:

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I know a lot of fans don't like hearing any of this stuff, but this team imploded down the stretch.

I laugh at all of this talk about accountability and policing yourself. Folks, that is impossible to do while TO controls your lockerroom. And he controls this one...

With that in mind, I think you have to decide whether you are going to keep TO and his lockerroom, or are you going to bring in another head coach with a stronger personality and give him the lockerroom?

If Wade and Garrett are Jerry's guys, he needs to move TO.

If he loves TO and believes that the talent here is good enough, he needs to get a coach who can control this situaion and bring a stronger voice into the lockerroom because it won't be Wade.

It's an either/or situation. That's just the way it is, and if Jerry doesn't make the hard decision, I think we can all look forward to more of the same next year. Wade will try to coach, and TO will still be doing his political work in the lockerrom. Jerry will support the talent, and Romo will feel more pressure to throw to a certain player instead of the open guy.

Make the decision, Jerry. On or the other...

Only thing about that is that Andy Reid is called a tough coach by everyone... And even he couldn't handle TO.

So basically, there's no coach that can handle TO. Wade probably did as good a job as anyone of that last year, and even that eventually didn't work.

It's no coincidence that pretty much every no-nonsense, tough guy coach that people want would probably tell Jerry to get rid of TO before they'd even take the job.

 

[jterrell]

I know a lot of fans don't like hearing any of this stuff, but this team imploded down the stretch.

I laugh at all of this talk about accountability and policing yourself. Folks, that is impossible to do while TO controls your lockerroom. And he controls this one...

With that in mind, I think you have to decide whether you are going to keep TO and his lockerroom, or are you going to bring in another head coach with a stronger personality and give him the lockerroom?

If Wade and Garrett are Jerry's guys, he needs to move TO.

If he loves TO and believes that the talent here is good enough, he needs to get a coach who can control this situaion and bring a stronger voice into the lockerroom because it won't be Wade.

It's an either/or situation. That's just the way it is, and if Jerry doesn't make the hard decision, I think we can all look forward to more of the same next year. Wade will try to coach, and TO will still be doing his political work in the lockerrom. Jerry will support the talent, and Romo will feel more pressure to throw to a certain player instead of the open guy.

Make the decision, Jerry. On or the other...

I am going to disagree based on this:

The team went what 4-3 down the stretch and faced what 4 teams still playing in the playoffs right now?

Perhaps it wasn't so much a team implosion as it was the team just wasn't better than the teams they faced when health was factored in.

Do we consider Romo or Witten or Barber healthy for those stretch games?
Are we really better than the Ravens, Giants, Eagles, Steelers without them near healthy?

Was anyone complaining T.O. had corrupted any locker room prior to 6 weeks ago???

 

[bbgun]

Look at the size of that melon.

 

[ddh33]

That would pretty much be my opinion, Chocolate Lab.

A new coach might buy you another 18 month honeymoon, but you would eventually have the same problems.

I think getting rid of TO fixes a lot of problems on this team.

I think your QB would improve by not having to worry so much about pacifying his star receiver.

I think your coordinator has an easier job of drawing up plays and trying to EXECUTE them instead of drawing up magic routes that get one player a good matchup.

I think your polarizing force leaves the locker room, and you have a group of guys that can get back to one agenda.

This whole team cowers to TO. Maybe that's a reflection on the players and coaches as much as it is TO, but in either case, it's not good for the team.

If you want to see what Wade and Garrett can do (and that seems to be what Jerry wants), then give them the chance. You'll find out a lot more about them and your players without having to worry about your receiver going postal at any moment.

 

[ddh33]

It's not that the team lost. I can always handle that. It was how they lost.

 

[5Countem5]

I know a lot of fans don't like hearing any of this stuff, but this team imploded down the stretch.

I laugh at all of this talk about accountability and policing yourself. Folks, that is impossible to do while TO controls your lockerroom. And he controls this one...

With that in mind, I think you have to decide whether you are going to keep TO and his lockerroom, or are you going to bring in another head coach with a stronger personality and give him the lockerroom?

If Wade and Garrett are Jerry's guys, he needs to move TO.

If he loves TO and believes that the talent here is good enough, he needs to get a coach who can control this situaion and bring a stronger voice into the lockerroom because it won't be Wade.

It's an either/or situation. That's just the way it is, and if Jerry doesn't make the hard decision, I think we can all look forward to more of the same next year. Wade will try to coach, and TO will still be doing his political work in the lockerrom. Jerry will support the talent, and Romo will feel more pressure to throw to a certain player instead of the open guy.

Make the decision, Jerry. On or the other...

You seem to know a heck of a lot for never, ever stepping in that locker room...

 

[CoCo]

You seem to know a heck of a lot for never, ever stepping in that locker room...

 

[ddh33]

I'm just going off reports from the media, comments from players, and comments from coaches.

TO is THE dominant personality in that locker room.

 

[5Countem5]

I'm just going off reports from the media, comments from players, and comments from coaches.

TO is THE dominant personality in that locker room.

Really? Haven't seen anything from players and coaches talking about who is dominant in the locker room. Got a link? Love to see those "reports".

I am clear the media say it a lot though.

 

[ddh33]

TO was a self-appointed captain just one year ago.

This year he was voted a captain by his teammates.

Is he the only receiver who has his own press conference at the end of every game?

Look, he's a dominant personality. I don't know why anyone would want to argue that. It doesn't even have to be a bad thing. Don't we have a ton of fans on here wishing that other players had a dominant personality?

In this case, TO is one of the leaders of this team. But everyone handles him with kid gloves because they're afraid he'll blow. And while he undoubtedly wants to win, he is also the kind of polarizing personality who divides a team, especially with his political work in the locker room. He whispers about not getting the ball enough, speaks poorly about coaches, puts himself above the team at times, and gets guys on his side.

The result is a divided locker room. And why is it hard for anyone to believe that this locker room is divided? Everyone who has been in there for weeks says the same thing.

 

[5Countem5]

TO was a self-appointed captain just one year ago.

This year he was voted a captain by his teammates.

Enough said...

Is he the only receiver who has his own press conference at the end of every game?

Really? You're unaware players have press conferences after games? Even WRs? Irvin did. I've seen Moss a thousand times, seen Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Chad OC, seen Harrison, seen a bunch of them...

Look, he's a dominant personality. I don't know why anyone would want to argue that. It doesn't even have to be a bad thing. Don't we have a ton of fans on here wishing that other players had a dominant personality?

In this case, TO is one of the leaders of this team. But everyone handles him with kid gloves because they're afraid he'll blow. And while he undoubtedly wants to win, he is also the kind of polarizing personality who divides a team, especially with his political work in the locker room. He whispers about not getting the ball enough, speaks poorly about coaches, puts himself above the team at times, and gets guys on his side.

The result is a divided locker room. And why is it hard for anyone to believe that this locker room is divided? Everyone who has been in there for weeks says the same thing.

Reckon he'll be voted captain next year? That would be telling, huh?

How does the guy putting himself ABOVE the team, get guys on his side? How does the self-centered player you describe get voted captain?

 

[ddh33]

I think TO has a lot of friends in this locker room. I think he's a very popular guy. I'm sure he's a likable guy. I even think he wants to win.

Unfortunately, throwing coaches, QBs, and anyone else under the bus is not my idea of leadership. And it's not just that TO has done those things, it's how and when he has done those things. And yes, his history works against him here too, as far as I'm concerned.

I think it's worth pointing out that just because you can get people on your side does make you a great guy. History is filled with charismatic people who were able to convince people to follow them, and some of those leaders did some terrible things. TO may be charming and likable, but it doesn't mean that he's good for the team.

I hope for the best. I truly think some of the TO stuff is blown way out of proportion. BUT...

I don't think the guy is good for the team. I think the owner, coaches, and teammates cater to him because they worry he'll blow. I think he plays a position that is wildly overrated by fans. I think this team has won nothing with him, and may have even regressed because of him.

I'm stating a case that says that I would be willing to move on without him. I'm willing to give up his speed and ability to score touchdowns if it would make the locker room a better place, help the QB, or help the coaches (regardless of who the coaches are).

 

[5Countem5]

I think TO has a lot of friends in this locker room. I think he's a very popular guy. I'm sure he's a likable guy. I even think he wants to win.

Unfortunately, throwing coaches, QBs, and anyone else under the bus is not my idea of leadership. And it's not just that TO has done those things, it's how and when he has done those things. And yes, his history works against him here too, as far as I'm concerned.

I think it's worth pointing out that just because you can get people on your side does make you a great guy. History is filled with charismatic people who were able to convince people to follow them, and some of those leaders did some terrible things. TO may be charming and likable, but it doesn't mean that he's good for the team.

I hope for the best. I truly think some of the TO stuff is blown way out of proportion. BUT...

I don't think the guy is good for the team. I think the owner, coaches, and teammates cater to him because they worry he'll blow. I think he plays a position that is wildly overrated by fans. I think this team has won nothing with him, and may have even regressed because of him.

I'm stating a case that says that I would be willing to move on without him. I'm willing to give up his speed and ability to score touchdowns if it would make the locker room a better place, help the QB, or help the coaches (regardless of who the coaches are).

So the players are such mental midgets that they cannot see the monster AMONGST them that you can see from you recliner. And when they do they cater to it so he doesn't blow.

Your're ESPN's dream viewer....LOL

 

[TNCowboy]

I am going to disagree based on this:

The team went what 4-3 down the stretch and faced what 4 teams still playing in the playoffs right now?

Perhaps it wasn't so much a team implosion as it was the team just wasn't better than the teams they faced when health was factored in.

Do we consider Romo or Witten or Barber healthy for those stretch games?
Are we really better than the Ravens, Giants, Eagles, Steelers without them near healthy?

Was anyone complaining T.O. had corrupted any locker room prior to 6 weeks ago???

People started talking about TO a lot more after his whinefest after the first Commander game.

How is it that health is an issue for the Cowboys, and not these other teams? The Giants lost their best player for the entire season. We finished the year with virtually every starter on both sides of the ball on the field. What would our record have been without Ware? 7-9? 6-10? Yet without Osi, the NYG have HFA.

The Ravens played much of the year without 3 defensive starters. At one point the Colts were playing with only 2 of their starting OL. All these teams and more plowed through their injury problems and succeeded anyway.

2008 was not a year in which Dallas experienced a ton of injuries. It was a pretty average year for most NFL teams. 2007 - when there were very few significant injuries - was the exception, rather than the rule. And in case most fans haven't considered it, this isn't the team of youngsters it was in 2005 and 2006. This is basically the same team with an additional few years of mileage on their bodies. It's very likely that 2009 will be just as bad if not worse with injuries.

Blaming the failure of 2008 on injuries is a cop out, for the team and for fans.

 

[5Countem5]

It's very likely that 2009 will be just as bad if not worse with injuries.

Please don't say that...