JJT On Sporting News Radio Today Said It Will Be Norv...

[Dale]

I still don't see it...I just do not see how people could be happy or even OK with the thought of Norv being the HC.

If Bill could not spark the team and control some players...I just see no way that laid back Norv could do it.

Plus with Norv...Jerry is more apt to take more control of things, which has not served well in the past.

Sorry...I just can't help thinking we have spent so much money on defense, drafted defense, had one of the best offensive seasons we have had in years...but go with Norv instead of a HC with a proven agressive Defensive scheme.

I don't want Wade because of his HC abilities...I want him because he would be able to help mold whoever we hire as DC in an aggressive 3-4 scheme. I think this team has enough players on Defense to do well...they just need to be more agressive.

Now if for some possible reason Jerry could convince wade to come in as a DC and assistant HC...THEN I would not mind Norv as HC so much.

Our offense is good enough to win games right now....our defense is what let us down time and time again.

I think of Norv at HC with no proven DC who always puts on a decent 3-4 defense and this picture comes to mind...

I agree entirely. Your post really mirrors my thoughts.

How do you get "excited" aout Norv Turner?

If he's brought in, do you think a Dave Wanstedt type is brought in to coach the defense? Do the Cowboys ditch the 3-4 all together? Haven't really read much on what to expect with the defense.

 

[sago1]

If I had any chance in this scenario, I'd want both Norv & Phillips because I believe each can make major contributions to improve our team on offense and defense. My objection to norv is what about our defense. On the other hand, I believe we can give Garret & Romo enough help by keeping Soparano, etc. & maybe bringing in another offensive coach (if we don't keep Palmer) who can also mentor Garrett.

I'm going to be real upset if we are going back to the days when Jerry Jones totally controlled the draft, etc. Hopefully he has learned his lesson and won't go that far. I guess his pick of Garrett as OC is okay but it sure limits our coaches we need. No way does a Riveria come in here if he knows Garrett will be the chosen one in 2-3 years, etc.

I'm just not happy with Norv as H/C based on his performance in Washington cause he sure made some dumb moves there.

 

[Hunter71]

while i respect your opinion i dont understand it. norv wherever he's gone has had top offenses. wide open offenses. thats puts emphasis on the OL. isnt that what fans have been screaming about for 10 yrs in dallas? the Ol!. while i know dallas had a offense who got yrds and put up points. they were sort of a miss or hit. they either scored a ton in a game or laid flat. there was no inbetween. one of them consistently inconsistent teams

Wrong...

And offense ain't the only problem...

His track record is crap and we just made a crap decision...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree entirely. Your post really mirrors my thoughts.

How do you get "excited" aout Norv Turner?

If he's brought in, do you think a Dave Wanstedt type is brought in to coach the defense? Do the Cowboys ditch the 3-4 all together? Haven't really read much on what to expect with the defense.

I think Todd B is named DC...unless one of two LONGSHOT things happen.

1. Wade is convinced to come in as DC and assistant HC.
2. Norv Brings in Singletary but I don't think that would happen as Singletary is already an assistant HC (not a DC though).

I don't think Jones would bring back campo personally...it would not shock me but I don't think it will happen.

I think he wants to stick with the 3-4 because that is what the personnel is best suited at right now.

People have said we could switch to the 4-3 as the base easily because we have this or that player...but I think it is not so cut and dry.

Who knows with Jerry...honestly you just don't know some times with him.

I just know if you are going to be a gambler like jones and take Garrett as a gamble at the future HC but CURRENT OC...why not make sure you have a good defensive coach in place to take the pressure off.

Who knows maybe it will all turn out ok and we will all be happy, but it honestly is hard to think that way with Norv as the HC. I can just imagine how TO will act with Norv as HC.

 

[Bleu Star]

Ok. Where are Owens declining skills? He dropped a few balls, yeah. Just over one per game, that has to be fixed. Owens is as good as he's been for the way he was used. If I'm the offensive Coordinator I get himthe ball early in the game, Philly had no problem doing that and he thrived there. Different offense, but thats a bad excuse. Owens needs to touch the ball on the first possesion, imo. That opens up so much more for our offense.

And second, If Norv and Jason can make the running game better, maybe keeping Owens isn't such a bad idea, ya think? That safety not rolling to him anymore would probably make him a little more open. 13 tds turns into 15 or 16. His production is not replaceable from whats out there right now, or even with what we have.

If we are a player or two away, then cutting one of our best weapons wouldn't be smart at all.

He's not going anywhere anyway.

Dude. Seriously. You might as well save your carpal tunnels. The same group of people will never see any positive in anything TO does for this team. It won't matter if he goes out and makes a million big plays. He will still be expendable in the eyes of some. All I can say to that is be careful what you wish for. Hurd, Crayton? LMAO... Neither changes the dynamics of the way a defense has to prepare for our offense the way TO does. I'm still waiting from some "worthy" replacements to fill that major void they would like to see with TO gone. I haven't heard any names yet.

to theebs... I know you saw my post. You down for a friendly wager? You said TO would throw Norv under the bus by October. How confident are you in your blind accusations?

 

[Bleu Star]

besides I am about an hour away from putting a ban on myself of no more owens talk till at least the draft.

You could never do it so don't even try to entertain the thought.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

People have been complaining of December collapses under Parcells. Might they be complaining of September collapses under Norv Turner?

I just have little confidence that he would come in and "build" on what Parcells accomplished.

This was the biggest reason why I thought it was in the Cowboys' best interest for Parcells to return. As mediocre as he was here, I don't think you'll see a superior candidate brought in.

Granted, Norv -- or anyone -- could end up doing better. You truly never know. But in terms of instant evaluation, I don't think one should really "expect" Norv Turner to do more with similar talent than an aging, tired Parcells.

Dale let me explain to you "why" the 2007 team will garner a better record than 2006... really no matter who the next head coach is (barring a rash of cataclysmic injuries of course).

Bill James (the baseball stat freak) had a very interesting "law" which he was able to prove mathematically... this law took the runs scored/runs given up by a particular team and was able to estimate its w/l record accurately. For example if a time scored 700 runs and gave up 700 runs it should have a .500 record. Makes sense right?

Well what James found is that teams that had a better w/l record than what James estimated usually performed below their expected level the following season. Consequently the reverse was also true... teams that compiled a worse record then what James estimated would usually perform better next year.

Well football doesn't allow the same flexibility with numbers BUT I don't think you could find a single soul that would say this team (especially defense) didn't underform in 2006 compared to their overall talent level.

That being the case I don't think it's a reach to think the 2007 squad will outperform the 2006...

Regardless of who the head coach will be.

 

[Bleu Star]

I agree entirely. Your post really mirrors my thoughts.

How do you get "excited" aout Norv Turner?

If he's brought in, do you think a Dave Wanstedt type is brought in to coach the defense? Do the Cowboys ditch the 3-4 all together? Haven't really read much on what to expect with the defense.

I'm excited about the fact that 34-32 has moved on, our offense will be more dynamic, our offensive weapons will be used appropriately, and Garrett has come on board. The Norv signing, it it's true, does not excite me. However, I can't see why everyone is so up in arms over it. Would you have rather had Campo back??? We could definitely do worse than Norv. That said, the most important signing of the off season hasn't happened yet. I still think we make a splash with a good DC.

 

[silver]

I agree entirely. Your post really mirrors my thoughts.

How do you get "excited" aout Norv Turner?

If he's brought in, do you think a Dave Wanstedt type is brought in to coach the defense? Do the Cowboys ditch the 3-4 all together? Haven't really read much on what to expect with the defense.

i agree with both of you. jerry running the team again is what worries me the most. and those who say he learned a lot of football with bp are merely speculating.

 

[Bleu Star]

1. Wade is convinced to come in as DC and assistant HC.
2. Norv Brings in Singletary but I don't think that would happen as Singletary is already an assistant HC (not a DC though).

Both of these are still very strong possibilities.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I still don't see it...I just do not see how people could be happy or even OK with the thought of Norv being the HC.

If Bill could not spark the team and control some players...I just see no way that laid back Norv could do it.

Plus with Norv...Jerry is more apt to take more control of things, which has not served well in the past.

Sorry...I just can't help thinking we have spent so much money on defense, drafted defense, had one of the best offensive seasons we have had in years...but go with Norv instead of a HC with a proven agressive Defensive scheme.

I don't want Wade because of his HC abilities...I want him because he would be able to help mold whoever we hire as DC in an aggressive 3-4 scheme. I think this team has enough players on Defense to do well...they just need to be more agressive.

Now if for some possible reason Jerry could convince wade to come in as a DC and assistant HC...THEN I would not mind Norv as HC so much.

Our offense is good enough to win games right now....our defense is what let us down time and time again.

I think of Norv at HC with no proven DC who always puts on a decent 3-4 defense and this picture comes to mind...

I don't think you should have to "mold" the DC Brain. That person should be ready to go with their own ideas from the get-go. What the HC needs to do is be able to support them, which is distinctly opposite of how Parcells did it.

Jimmy let his coordinators do what they were capable of without holding them back-- Parcells couldn't do that. And I think that's partly why we never won a playoff game while he was here.

 

[Bleu Star]

I don't think you should have to "mold" the DC Brain. That person should be ready to go with their own ideas from the get-go. What the HC needs to do is be able to support them, which is distinctly opposite of how Parcells did it.

Jimmy let his coordinators do what they were capable of without holding them back-- Parcells couldn't do that. And I think that's partly why we never won a playoff game while he was here.

 

[superpunk]

Just ****ing shoot me now.

 

[theogt]

Both of these are still very strong possibilities.

It's also a strong possibility that this is all BS. Why on earth would you still be bringing in Gibbs if Norv is the guy?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

i agree with both of you. jerry running the team again is what worries me the most. and those who say he learned a lot of football with bp are merely speculating.

Listen... Jerry is a brilliant business man. And I can tell you people don't become mult-millionaires from being "stupid".

There is no doubt in my mind that Jerry has "learned". Is it enough?

We'll see in 2007.

 

[Bleu Star]

It's also a strong possibility that this is all BS. Why on earth would you still be bringing in Gibbs if Norv is the guy?

Hey I hear you man. This is all idle speculation that has everyone worked into a tizzy. I'm just enjoying the ice cream social.

 

[5Stars]

i agree with both of you. jerry running the team again is what worries me the most. and those who say he learned a lot of football with bp are merely speculating.

Count me in also!

JJ worries the crap out of me, expecially NOW that he's learned from Purcells for the last 4 years!

JJ's going to think he's a REAL football coach/man now...and the next guy that is not percieved to be smarter then JJ thinks of himself, is going to have a hard time getting the teams attention because JJ might start making ALL the decisions now because he LEARNED from the Tuna...

At least with Purcells aboard, JJ had to give up most control, because of who Purcells is, however, the next head coach better have some damn good resume, because I'm afraid the JJ is going to go back to his old ways!

I hope to hell I'm wrong about that...but, he scares me, just like the "wild-catter" that he is...

 

[theebs]

You could never do it so don't even try to entertain the thought.

actually I didnt spend any time talking about him during the season. little things here and there.

So it is not that hard for me and will be in effect soon.

 

[DipChit]

Both of these are still very strong possibilities.

Only in fantasyland.. not the real world.

 

[Bleu Star]

Count me in also!

JJ worries the crap out of me, expecially NOW that he's learned from Purcells for the last 4 years!

Wade? That you sir? How did that interview with Jerrah go again? Good?