Joe Milton "Not a Good Dude" According to Patriots Insider?

[Bullflop]

If there's one thing that's likely to cause dissention on a team, it's a so-called "QB controversy." NFL executives avoid it like a plague and will find a convenient excuse to justify their preference.

That seems to me to be a convenient reason to label Joe Milton "not a good dude," even if it just amounted to not affording him the opportunity to compete with Maye on a competitive basis.

Anyway, it appears if the Pats version of the facts were legitimate or not, it simply wasn't open for speculation. Perhaps it was viewed as something to be avoided at all costs. Hence, Joe's exit.

 

[FanofJerry]

I’ll give it a shot because I don’t want you to be ghosted.

I don’t think a fear of competition is the league sentiment today. It’s not real competition anyway as the backup isn’t going to get much run time outside of meaningless games or injury. And it’s not about a fear the starter will “second guess” himself…that’s Internet forum talk.

It’s about establishing and solidifying the most complex and critical position on the field and backing them up with someone who knows their role and can capably drive the bus if called upon.

If backup QB’s is willing to swallow their pride and pay their dues, starting opportunities may come naturally. But if/when ambitions start to influence team dynamics at the most important position and potentially create locker room issues or impact your primary QB’s influence, that’s a big problem.

If you want an idea of the potential issues that can result, watch the documentary “Favre v. Rogers”. That rivalry started as soon as Rogers arrived, caused all kinds locker room and public issues, and continued to be an issue after Favre left. In that case it worked out in the long run but it is also the exception rather than the norm.

I’m all for competition but people are naive if they think it is an open QB competition every spring for the vast majority of NFL teams. And outside of a few teams who are still searching, QB positions are written in ink for multiple years and no backup competition is going to threaten that.

Just my opinion.

You don't believe in the psychology of taking pressure off the
QB, in hopes it makes his performance better.


If I'm not mistaken, the Favre vs Roger's spat was based on Favre not wanting to help a younger QB take his position.

Or am I confusing a parallel issue?

Either Favre or Roger's refused to help their second string QB based on the excuse of " why would I help someone take my job"

Sounds like your post refers to Roger's being the issue, since he, to this day applies pressure on organizations to get what he wants.

I think a qb controversy, on a team like Dallas, is a bad managerial mistake. The media will feed off it.


Just like I agree with dallas' refusal to take a qb high in draft, I agree with preventing a qb controversy

What are you doing, in any organization, if every employee is refusing to train underlings properly based on their belief of "why help others take my job"?

 

[FanofJerry]

I’ll give it a shot because I don’t want you to be ghosted.

I don’t think a fear of competition is the league sentiment today. It’s not real competition anyway as the backup isn’t going to get much run time outside of meaningless games or injury. And it’s not about a fear the starter will “second guess” himself…that’s Internet forum talk.

It’s about establishing and solidifying the most complex and critical position on the field and backing them up with someone who knows their role and can capably drive the bus if called upon.

If backup QB’s is willing to swallow their pride and pay their dues, starting opportunities may come naturally. But if/when ambitions start to influence team dynamics at the most important position and potentially create locker room issues or impact your primary QB’s influence, that’s a big problem.

If you want an idea of the potential issues that can result, watch the documentary “Favre v. Rogers”. That rivalry started as soon as Rogers arrived, caused all kinds locker room and public issues, and continued to be an issue after Favre left. In that case it worked out in the long run but it is also the exception rather than the norm.

I’m all for competition but people are naive if they think it is an open QB competition every spring for the vast majority of NFL teams. And outside of a few teams who are still searching, QB positions are written in ink for multiple years and no backup competition is going to threaten that.

Just my opinion.

I get your post...it makes sense...

Are you suggesting teams not choose backups for comp? Or not choose back ups until a starter reaches a certain age?

Or are you talking about rare instances where a back up could provide comp?

 

[CommonCents]

Interesting tidbit. Truth to the rumors?

"Joe Milton was - and this is a direct quote from somebody in the organization -'not a good dude'", Bedard said to Nick Cattles, "Knowing your role, playing your role; you know, being part of harmonious quarterback room - that was going to be an issue. And it wasn't about Drake Maye, it was just about the [quarterback] room."

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/joe-miltons-real-reason-patriots-195905075.html

Nothing burger with nothing sauce and added extra nothing cheese. And yes, I already have a Joe Milton jersey and Im buying another one just for this ***clown article.

 

[Spottswoode]

You don't believe in the psychology of taking pressure off the
QB, in hopes it makes his performance better.


If I'm not mistaken, the Favre vs Roger's spat was based on Favre not wanting to help a younger QB take his position.

Or am I confusing a parallel issue?

Either Favre or Roger's refused to help their second string QB based on the excuse of " why would I help someone take my job"

Sounds like your post refers to Roger's being the issue, since he, to this day applies pressure on organizations to get what he wants.

I think a qb controversy, on a team like Dallas, is a bad managerial mistake. The media will feed off it.


Just like I agree with dallas' refusal to take a qb high in draft, I agree with preventing a qb controversy

I don’t believe the majority of established NFL starters feel pressure from their backups, so there is no pressure that needs to be removed. People love to suggest that Dak is shaking in his boots regarding Milton’s presence but in no world will Milton or a draftee threaten Dak anytime soon outside of injury. I do believe we need to be looking for Dak’s replacement but he has no pressure for several years, regardless of the backup.

As far as Favre and Rogers, you are correct that Favre didn’t want to help Rogers…he said it wasn’t in his contract. Favre was also an *** in general to Rogers. But Rogers also fanned the flames a bit with things like calling him grandpa when they first met. But Favre was the primary instigator, not Rogers. His ego wouldn’t accept the inevitability of Father Time.

 

[Spottswoode]

I get your post...it makes sense...

Are you suggesting teams not choose backups for comp? Or not choose back ups until a starter reaches a certain age?

Or are you talking about rare instances where a back up could provide comp?

Personally I think it depends on the situation and the team’s long-term plans for their starter. Up to now, there was no need to find Dak’s replacement. Jerry wasn’t going to let him go anywhere anyway, so we would just be developing a QB for someone else.

Just looking at our division, I wouldn’t be looking for legitimate competition for any team outside of Dallas. Daniels and Hurts are established and aren’t going to feel pressure and Dart needs someone seasoned to help his development. Even if he doesn’t start year 1, Dart won’t be threatened during his rookie contract.