Joe Montana a Cowboy?

[Reverend Conehead]

If only Danny White had sucked, we would have drafted Montana because it would have been a position of need. But Danny White didn't suck. He was a very good QB. The team also planned on drafting Jerry Rice, but the 49ers traded up and took him. So Montana to Rice could have (and should have) been a Dallas Cowboys thing.

 

[Melonfeud]

Prove it. I showed you where Landry was wanting to keep White. Did the Cowboys keep White? Who would want to keep White in the Cowboys Organization? It made sense to pass on Montana in 1979 when you had Staubach, Carano, and White.

1983 White had just finished his 3rd straight NFC Championship game in a row with Tony Dorsett in season 6, Tony Hill in his 6 season, Randy White in season 8 along with all the Dirty Dozen. The Cowboys went 12-4 for the 1983 season with White having career/team highs in yards and TDs.

Keep believing a coach like Tom Landry who is such a perfectionist and organizer is going to give up his star QB on a seasoned still young team to go with a rookie QB. Name me the rookie Tom Landry started at QB in his coaching history? Here is what Landry said of Aikman after the Cowboys went 3-13 in 1988:

Landry said if he picked Aikman he wouldn't rush him into action.
"Everybody would want him to play too soon and I've seen it ruin some players," Landry said. "He might be the kind who could be ready to go the second year."​

Landry thought he could still compete for Super Bowls in 1983 and was not willing to give up White. Only Tex and Brandt was working on the trade along with Kush and Arccorsi.

Landry wanted Dan Reeves to get Elway and have a QB for success. Go ask Reeves. Landry was very close to Reeves. When Irsay got involved, Landry got involved as he did not want to trade White. When Denver became the suitor the Owners did it (Denver Owner and Irsay) because Tex and Gil was on board but Landry was not. That made Accorsi deal with Tex and Gil shaky in Irsay eyes.

1983 the Cowboys had Danny White, up and coming Gary Hogeboom, and Glenn Carano. Tom Landry Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys ain't trading White for rookie Elway. They did offer Gary Hogeboom who Indy traded for anyway after the 1985 season (White's last playoff year). Landry had a lot of control in the draft from 1982-1986. That is when Tex and Gil hired the Waterboy Bob Ackles as Director of Pro Personnel basically a buffer outing Landry out the draft room. 1987 the Cowboys start to draft +300 pound OL. 1988 the Cowboy drafted a loud mouth trash talking flamboyant WR from the U. These are not the Landry style football players but the new age of the NFL that had past Landry bye.

So, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that because of White's success, Dan Reeves in Denver, and the Cowboys roster, Landry was not for trading White to the Colts for a rookie Elway. Only Tex and Gil wanted to make it happen. But, just look at the HC and team that got Elway and you can know the truth.

That's what I read, I saw, I was told, and all the evidence says its true. The same reason why the Cowboys passed on Montana is the same reason they did not execute the Elway trade..Landry felt they did not need a QB because they had QBs and were posting winning records every year.

That's right,,, as ol' Dan Reeves represented the Star proudly & in an exemplary professional fashion as a previous player under COACH LANDRY

*although, I honestly do not recall actually seeing him play, now I do recall witnessing T.E. Mike Ditka snag a S.B. GAME catch for a T.D.

 

[joseephuss]

Prove it. I showed you where Landry was wanting to keep White. Did the Cowboys keep White? Who would want to keep White in the Cowboys Organization? It made sense to pass on Montana in 1979 when you had Staubach, Carano, and White.

1983 White had just finished his 3rd straight NFC Championship game in a row with Tony Dorsett in season 6, Tony Hill in his 6 season, Randy White in season 8 along with all the Dirty Dozen. The Cowboys went 12-4 for the 1983 season with White having career/team highs in yards and TDs.

Keep believing a coach like Tom Landry who is such a perfectionist and organizer is going to give up his star QB on a seasoned still young team to go with a rookie QB. Name me the rookie Tom Landry started at QB in his coaching history? Here is what Landry said of Aikman after the Cowboys went 3-13 in 1988:

Landry said if he picked Aikman he wouldn't rush him into action.
"Everybody would want him to play too soon and I've seen it ruin some players," Landry said. "He might be the kind who could be ready to go the second year."​

Landry thought he could still compete for Super Bowls in 1983 and was not willing to give up White. Only Tex and Brandt was working on the trade along with Kush and Arccorsi.

Landry wanted Dan Reeves to get Elway and have a QB for success. Go ask Reeves. Landry was very close to Reeves. When Irsay got involved, Landry got involved as he did not want to trade White. When Denver became the suitor the Owners did it (Denver Owner and Irsay) because Tex and Gil was on board but Landry was not. That made Accorsi deal with Tex and Gil shaky in Irsay eyes.

1983 the Cowboys had Danny White, up and coming Gary Hogeboom, and Glenn Carano. Tom Landry Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys ain't trading White for rookie Elway. They did offer Gary Hogeboom who Indy traded for anyway after the 1985 season (White's last playoff year). Landry had a lot of control in the draft from 1982-1986. That is when Tex and Gil hired the Waterboy Bob Ackles as Director of Pro Personnel basically a buffer outing Landry out the draft room. 1987 the Cowboys start to draft +300 pound OL. 1988 the Cowboy drafted a loud mouth trash talking flamboyant WR from the U. These are not the Landry style football players but the new age of the NFL that had past Landry bye.

So, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that because of White's success, Dan Reeves in Denver, and the Cowboys roster, Landry was not for trading White to the Colts for a rookie Elway. Only Tex and Gil wanted to make it happen. But, just look at the HC and team that got Elway and you can know the truth.

That's what I read, I saw, I was told, and all the evidence says its true. The same reason why the Cowboys passed on Montana is the same reason they did not execute the Elway trade..Landry felt they did not need a QB because they had QBs and were posting winning records every year.

https://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/john-elway-was-nearly-traded-to-cowboys-042313

 

[mattjames2010]

Montana probably wouldn't have had 4 rings with us, but I'm sure we would have won a Super Bowl with him.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Prove it. I showed you where Landry was wanting to keep White. Did the Cowboys keep White? Who would want to keep White in the Cowboys Organization? It made sense to pass on Montana in 1979 when you had Staubach, Carano, and White.

1983 White had just finished his 3rd straight NFC Championship game in a row with Tony Dorsett in season 6, Tony Hill in his 6 season, Randy White in season 8 along with all the Dirty Dozen. The Cowboys went 12-4 for the 1983 season with White having career/team highs in yards and TDs.

Keep believing a coach like Tom Landry who is such a perfectionist and organizer is going to give up his star QB on a seasoned still young team to go with a rookie QB. Name me the rookie Tom Landry started at QB in his coaching history? Here is what Landry said of Aikman after the Cowboys went 3-13 in 1988:

Landry said if he picked Aikman he wouldn't rush him into action.
"Everybody would want him to play too soon and I've seen it ruin some players," Landry said. "He might be the kind who could be ready to go the second year."​

Landry thought he could still compete for Super Bowls in 1983 and was not willing to give up White. Only Tex and Brandt was working on the trade along with Kush and Arccorsi.

Landry wanted Dan Reeves to get Elway and have a QB for success. Go ask Reeves. Landry was very close to Reeves. When Irsay got involved, Landry got involved as he did not want to trade White. When Denver became the suitor the Owners did it (Denver Owner and Irsay) because Tex and Gil was on board but Landry was not. That made Accorsi deal with Tex and Gil shaky in Irsay eyes.

1983 the Cowboys had Danny White, up and coming Gary Hogeboom, and Glenn Carano. Tom Landry Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys ain't trading White for rookie Elway. They did offer Gary Hogeboom who Indy traded for anyway after the 1985 season (White's last playoff year). Landry had a lot of control in the draft from 1982-1986. That is when Tex and Gil hired the Waterboy Bob Ackles as Director of Pro Personnel basically a buffer outing Landry out the draft room. 1987 the Cowboys start to draft +300 pound OL. 1988 the Cowboy drafted a loud mouth trash talking flamboyant WR from the U. These are not the Landry style football players but the new age of the NFL that had past Landry bye.

So, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that because of White's success, Dan Reeves in Denver, and the Cowboys roster, Landry was not for trading White to the Colts for a rookie Elway. Only Tex and Gil wanted to make it happen. But, just look at the HC and team that got Elway and you can know the truth.

That's what I read, I saw, I was told, and all the evidence says its true. The same reason why the Cowboys passed on Montana is the same reason they did not execute the Elway trade..Landry felt they did not need a QB because they had QBs and were posting winning records every year.

You are literally making stuff up while i'm quoting Gill Brandt and Elways agent. Go read. Googling for you is not my job. There is a great DMN article that is real easy to find on the subject. We cannot link to DMN articles on cowboy zone.

 

[kskboys]

when you're drafting you go off your own list, that's how BPA works. The NFL Draft isn't a collective thing.

It really isn't. Mostly a team's list is based on need.

 

[EST_1986]

It really isn't. Mostly a team's list is based on need.

Ok.

 

[plasticman]

Don't know if this has already been discussed but here is further information:

I remember somebody in management saying that it was the first time they didn't adhere to their strict philosophy of always taikng BPA.

How loyal were they to this philosophy?

They selected a RB in the first round in three of four years from 1969 to 1972. In fact, in 1972 they drafted a RB in the 1st and 2nd round.

BY the way, they needed another TE because their young 3rd teamer, Todd Christiansen, didn't like they way Scramm had run the contract negotiations and he was the outspoken type, the type that Scramm and Landry had no room for in this franchise. He eventually ended up as a Raider.

A pity because it gave the Cowboys pause to draft a TE instead of the the guy their charts said, was the highest rated.

And just to pour salt into the wounds, Christiansen set many team and league records on his way to 5 consecutive Pro Bowls and two All Pro.

We could have had Joe Montana throwing to Todd Christiansen while handing the ball off to Tony Dorsett and Hershelll Walker.

Adding some additional torture.....

It's 1985 and the Cowboys have the 17th pick. Gil Brandt has identified a generational player that has been going under the radar the whole time because of the stature of his school. Y z agrees that this is a special guy that no other team has correctly identified as elite so he decides to wait for the 17th pick to come around.

Throughout the draft everything had been going their way, this player now slid to 16 and the Cowboys were up next. Only less than a minute to go. The team was the Patriots who were known be looking for offensive linemen.

Then, it was announced that the Patriots had traded their pick with the San Fransisco 49ers, right in front of the Cowboys and Walsh selected.....you guessed it....Jerry Rice

Tex was hopping mad. He knew what this meant for Walsh and his defending champs.

 

[Melonfeud]

It really isn't. Mostly a team's list is based on need.

Great,,, now I'm extra confused, as I recall reading hear on the ZONE ( rather recently,Too!)that teams are pretty much destined for repeated failure when they go that route, as the O.P.'s Eisenstein-esque footballish theory espoused the adamant dictum of only the most Worthily of player, In any particular round ,regardless of the playing position that team is in search of upgrading, should be applied in order for that franchise to enjoy any level of consistent success,,,

 

[MTerrazzano]

Great,,, now I'm extra confused, as I recall reading hear on the ZONE ( rather recently,Too!)that teams are pretty much destined for repeated failure when they go that route, as the O.P.'s Eisenstein-esque footballish theory espoused the adamant dictum of only the most Worthily of player, In any particular round ,regardless of the playing position that team is in search of upgrading, should be applied in order for that franchise to enjoy any level of consistent success,,,

Don't know if this has already been discussed but here is further information:

I remember somebody in management saying that it was the first time they didn't adhere to their strict philosophy of always taikng BPA.

How loyal were they to this philosophy?

They selected a RB in the first round in three of four years from 1969 to 1972. In fact, in 1972 they drafted a RB in the 1st and 2nd round.

BY the way, they needed another TE because their young 3rd teamer, Todd Christiansen, didn't like they way Scramm had run the contract negotiations and he was the outspoken type, the type that Scramm and Landry had no room for in this franchise. He eventually ended up as a Raider.

A pity because it gave the Cowboys pause to draft a TE instead of the the guy their charts said, was the highest rated.

And just to pour salt into the wounds, Christiansen set many team and league records on his way to 5 consecutive Pro Bowls and two All Pro.

We could have had Joe Montana throwing to Todd Christiansen while handing the ball off to Tony Dorsett and Hershelll Walker.

Adding some additional torture.....

It's 1985 and the Cowboys have the 17th pick. Gil Brandt has identified a generational player that has been going under the radar the whole time because of the stature of his school. Y z agrees that this is a special guy that no other team has correctly identified as elite so he decides to wait for the 17th pick to come around.

Throughout the draft everything had been going their way, this player now slid to 16 and the Cowboys were up next. Only less than a minute to go. The team was the Patriots who were known be looking for offensive linemen.

Then, it was announced that the Patriots had traded their pick with the San Fransisco 49ers, right in front of the Cowboys and Walsh selected.....you guessed it....Jerry Rice

Tex was hopping mad. He knew what this meant for Walsh and his defending champs.

Here is a link to Gil Brandt's story with how the Cowboys had a deal in place with the Baltimore Colts to package Danny White, another starter, and some draft picks for the first pick overall in the '83 draft in order to get John Elway. Apparently the Colts head coach at the time - Frank Kusch - was Danny White's college head coach, and was ready to make the deal. Then Colts Owner Mr. Irsay axed that deal as he hated the Cowboys, and took a lesser package from the Broncos. Just imagine what could've been.

https://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/john-elway-was-nearly-traded-to-cowboys-042313

 

[Melonfeud]

Here is a link to Gil Brandt's story with how the Cowboys had a deal in place with the Baltimore Colts to package Danny White, another starter, and some draft picks for the first pick overall in the '83 draft in order to get John Elway. Apparently the Colts head coach at the time - Frank Kusch - was Danny White's college head coach, and was ready to make the deal. Then Colts Owner Mr. Irsay axed that deal as he hated the Cowboys, and took a lesser package from the Broncos. Just imagine what could've been.

https://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/john-elway-was-nearly-traded-to-cowboys-042313

Thanks for the Link,Man

*I couldn't help but notice that article came out two days preceding the '13' draft which would place it in that off season range of agitated boredom & on the tingling edge of anticipation in what the draft would bring,,,is this delayed factual backstory release of prior pasts draft outcomes designed to impart the gifted hindsight wisdom of hitting on the right draft pick?,,,Or,,, Was it compiled thru the wistful angst of crushed feelings of the shoulve/would've/ could've lamenting lameness?,,,I wonder?,,,as that is the real facts in immediate need of unearthing,,,

 

[GMO415]

I heard we were going to take Rice, but I never heard taking Joe. Wow

 

[beware_d-ware]

Montana would have had nearly the same success outside of Walsh's system.

Now Dan Marino would have been a game changer. In my opinion, he is one of the two or three greatest QBs to ever play the game. His arm and release are on an all-timer level, and he was a sure bet for a comeback win if his team gave him the chance. He threw for 4000 yards six times while Montana never even did it once, and he wasn't exactly throwing to Jerry Rice out there.

You take Marino, put him in the Tom Landry shotgun, and surround him with some teams that were playoff caliber to start with, and I'll pretty much guarantee we win multiple Super Bowls in the 80s.

If we want to play the what-if game though, it's fair to wonder if the Marino Cowboys would have been so successful that Tom Landry would hang on to his job past 1989, and Jimmy Johnson never gets a chance to build the 90s championship teams.

 

[silver]

During the 80's I used to have a dream team of what could've been. It seemed every year we passed on a great one.

1981 - Howie Long
1982 - Andre Tippett
1983 - Darrell Green
1984 - Boomer Esiason
1985 - Jerry Gray
1986 - Ernest Givins (who we passed on twice)
1987 - Bruce Armstrong

 

[CyberB0b]

I forgot what I was watching, but yeah, I heard about this some time ago. That said, Landry had a good point. It was the 3rd round and Tom didn't have a crystal ball.

The real mistake was not drafting Aaron Rodgers. We passed on him twice in the first round. Who did we have as a starter? An aging Drew Bledsoe. At that point in his career he was just keeping the seat warm. Rodgers was considered a 1st round talent.

Imagine getting Ware and Rodgers in the same draft.

 

[kskboys]

Great,,, now I'm extra confused, as I recall reading hear on the ZONE ( rather recently,Too!)that teams are pretty much destined for repeated failure when they go that route, as the O.P.'s Eisenstein-esque footballish theory espoused the adamant dictum of only the most Worthily of player, In any particular round ,regardless of the playing position that team is in search of upgrading, should be applied in order for that franchise to enjoy any level of consistent success,,,

All teams draft according to need. That's what the draft is for. Drafting players high at positions of strength doesn't make you any better.

People got this BPA crapp in their heads and now just repeat it ad nauseum. There is no one correct way to draft. Needs, BPA, attitude, scheme fit, it all must be considered when drafting. Drafting strictly BPA is stupid.