Joe Montana a Cowboy?

[kskboys]

if you read the post, Brandt said Montana was their best player available when their pick came around.

That's a team's list, not an analysis of every player left.

 

[kskboys]

All QBs are not the same. For example, I don't think Murray is an NFL QB anymore than I thought Tim Tebow was, yet Tim and Murray will both go in the first. Besides that, we didn't have to trade up for Rodgers, we skipped him twice while currently not having a franchise QB.

Yeah, but your argument was that he was a 1st round talent. All of those guys I listed were considered 1st round talent.

Tebow was not considered 1st round talent.

 

[Diehardblues]

I was listening to NFL radio and Gil Brandt was on talking about value picks for teams. He reported that the Cowboys were ready to pick Montana in the 3rd and had him the highest rated player that was still left on the board but Landry said that they already had 3 veteran qbs and could not carry a 4th. He said so we picked Doug Cousbie instead which turned out well but imagine what could have been if it was Montana. He also said any time you get a qb after the 1st rd that can be your franchise qb and play well for 10-15 yrs at a high level is a value pick. Thought it was interesting about Montana being a Cowboy. Never heard about this before.

Yea , this has been discussed before. Many years ago but Landry was right. We had our franchise QB. It wasn’t a position of need. We had Staubach in 1979 draft. It wasn’t until the next year Roger shocked us by retiring early due to concussion concerns.

We had the opportunity to draft Rodgers a few years ago but at the time didn’t need a franchise QB.

These situations are very common .

 

[DBOY3141]

I was listening to NFL radio and Gil Brandt was on talking about value picks for teams. He reported that the Cowboys were ready to pick Montana in the 3rd and had him the highest rated player that was still left on the board but Landry said that they already had 3 veteran qbs and could not carry a 4th. He said so we picked Doug Cousbie instead which turned out well but imagine what could have been if it was Montana. He also said any time you get a qb after the 1st rd that can be your franchise qb and play well for 10-15 yrs at a high level is a value pick. Thought it was interesting about Montana being a Cowboy. Never heard about this before.

Love Gil's stories. One he told last year was that in 1981 they were really pushing the Saints hard for the 1st pick...thought they had a deal done, but then the Saints backed out because they got the feeling they were going to get fleeced like Dallas did Tampa Bay when they picked Dorsett. The Cowboys target....LT.

 

[cern]

anytime a franchise qb is available when you draft, imo, you should take him. matters not if you already have your franchise qb on the roster. the new draftee can be used as trade bait for other players or multiple draft picks if you decide to stay with your starter. much like steve walsh got us a #1,2 and 3 pick. just another of jimmy's brilliant moves.

 

[kskboys]

anytime a franchise qb is available when you draft, imo, you should take him. matters not if you already have your franchise qb on the roster. the new draftee can be used as trade bait for other players or multiple draft picks if you decide to stay with your starter. much like steve walsh got us a #1,2 and 3 pick. just another of jimmy's brilliant moves.

Yes, of course, but there's no way to know if he's a franchise QB. Esp in the 3rd round.

 

[cern]

Yes, of course, but there's no way to know if he's a franchise QB. Esp in the 3rd round.

perhaps nothing empirical. but when a player consistently rises to the top at whatever level he plays, it's a pretty good indicator of his potential. emmitt smith comes to mind.

 

[atlantacowboy]

We passed on Brady how many times? Oh what could have been.......

Fun thread

 

[Diehardblues]

perhaps nothing empirical. but when a player consistently rises to the top at whatever level he plays, it's a pretty good indicator of his potential. emmitt smith comes to mind.

Then why did Joe dropped to 3rd round? What kind of indicator is that?

 

[kskboys]

perhaps nothing empirical. but when a player consistently rises to the top at whatever level he plays, it's a pretty good indicator of his potential. emmitt smith comes to mind.

Not at QB. It takes a different skillset to win at the NFL level. That's why you see the college football champ QB's mostly bomb. Kellen Moore was like 50-4 as a starter.

 

[kskboys]

Then why did Joe dropped to 3rd round? What kind of indicator is that?

Joe was not considered much of a prospect. He was a 3rd round afterthought. I remember some talk at the time of him being a wasted draft pick.

 

[Ranched]

Like White, Montana wouldn't of lasted either with the new quarterback Staubach pacing the sidelines. Both were great in their time. But wouldn't make it in today's NFL.

If one of those defensive ends came charging at those thin frames back in the day, they'd be in ICU before the 2nd quarter. Kinda like Richard Petty wouldn't make in today's NASCAR. He couldn't handle a car that fast.

Times have changed while new legends are making their marks.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Montana wouldn't of lasted either with the newly drafted Staubach pacing the sidelines. Both were great quarterbacks in their time. But wouldn't make it in today's NFL.

Kinda like Richard Petty wouldn't make in today's NASCAR. He couldn't handle a car that fast.

Times have changed while new legends are making their marks.

Thanks for that load of garbage.

 

[kskboys]

Thanks for that load of garbage.

Montana would've played for 20 years in today's can't breathe on the Qb league. Brady wouldn't have lasted for 10 years in the 80's.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Montana would've played for 20 years in today's can't breathe on the Qb league. Brady wouldn't have lasted for 10 years in the 80's.

These kids have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[cern]

Then why did Joe dropped to 3rd round? What kind of indicator is that?

because those who claim prescience are not always as smart as they think or as good a judge of talent as they think. just last year many posters were calling the cowboys draft department stupid idiots for taking vander esch. a nobody from Idaho. or that the deal to get Amari cooper was ludicrous.

 

[EST_1986]

That's a team's list, not an analysis of every player left.

when you're drafting you go off your own list, that's how BPA works. The NFL Draft isn't a collective thing.

 

[Thomas82]

Also in the 1985 draft, both the 49ers and Cowboys were highly interested in the prolific pass catcher out of Mississippi Valley State -- Jerry Rice.
Then on draft day, the 49ers traded their first two picks to New England for the Patriots' No. 16 first-round selection.
The Cowboys, who had kept close contact with Jerry Rice, had the No. 17 pick.

The 49ers snagged Jerry Rice, and the Cowboys got defensive end Kevin Brooks.

What about the 1975 draft? We passed on Walter Payton and took Randy White instead. It still worked out well for us.

 

[eromeopolk]

Thats a load BS. According to Elways agent at the time Marvin Demoff , Landry was unhappy with Danny White after losing 2 straight NFC title games. According to Gill Brandt, Dallas offered Baltimore 3 starters and a future pick. One of those starters was Danny White. Irsay killed the deal not Landry.

Prove it. I showed you where Landry was wanting to keep White. Did the Cowboys keep White? Who would want to keep White in the Cowboys Organization? It made sense to pass on Montana in 1979 when you had Staubach, Carano, and White.

1983 White had just finished his 3rd straight NFC Championship game in a row with Tony Dorsett in season 6, Tony Hill in his 6 season, Randy White in season 8 along with all the Dirty Dozen. The Cowboys went 12-4 for the 1983 season with White having career/team highs in yards and TDs.

Keep believing a coach like Tom Landry who is such a perfectionist and organizer is going to give up his star QB on a seasoned still young team to go with a rookie QB. Name me the rookie Tom Landry started at QB in his coaching history? Here is what Landry said of Aikman after the Cowboys went 3-13 in 1988:

Landry said if he picked Aikman he wouldn't rush him into action.
"Everybody would want him to play too soon and I've seen it ruin some players," Landry said. "He might be the kind who could be ready to go the second year."​

Landry thought he could still compete for Super Bowls in 1983 and was not willing to give up White. Only Tex and Brandt was working on the trade along with Kush and Arccorsi.

Landry wanted Dan Reeves to get Elway and have a QB for success. Go ask Reeves. Landry was very close to Reeves. When Irsay got involved, Landry got involved as he did not want to trade White. When Denver became the suitor the Owners did it (Denver Owner and Irsay) because Tex and Gil was on board but Landry was not. That made Accorsi deal with Tex and Gil shaky in Irsay eyes.

1983 the Cowboys had Danny White, up and coming Gary Hogeboom, and Glenn Carano. Tom Landry Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys ain't trading White for rookie Elway. They did offer Gary Hogeboom who Indy traded for anyway after the 1985 season (White's last playoff year). Landry had a lot of control in the draft from 1982-1986. That is when Tex and Gil hired the Waterboy Bob Ackles as Director of Pro Personnel basically a buffer outing Landry out the draft room. 1987 the Cowboys start to draft +300 pound OL. 1988 the Cowboy drafted a loud mouth trash talking flamboyant WR from the U. These are not the Landry style football players but the new age of the NFL that had past Landry bye.

So, I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that because of White's success, Dan Reeves in Denver, and the Cowboys roster, Landry was not for trading White to the Colts for a rookie Elway. Only Tex and Gil wanted to make it happen. But, just look at the HC and team that got Elway and you can know the truth.

That's what I read, I saw, I was told, and all the evidence says its true. The same reason why the Cowboys passed on Montana is the same reason they did not execute the Elway trade..Landry felt they did not need a QB because they had QBs and were posting winning records every year.

 

[Melonfeud]

I was LIVID about Sjax....damn that one still makes my blood boil lol.

*class is in session: " as the above quote is my reason #1 for not diving into the annual draft talent available
( SHEESE,it would be akin as the modern day equivalent to the perusal of the old Sears Roebuck & co. Fall/ winter/ Christmas catalog from back when a sprouting fan was 10 y.o.)
And , expend my efforted research into, only on the drafted players,,,er,,,after the fact of them having done been drafted"
Class dismissed,,, &,,, NO RUNNING IN THE HALLWAYS, DAMN-NIT