Joey Bosa 30 minutes highlights

[Gaede]

He is the most refined pass rusher in awhile. The question with Bosa is always his ceiling. Today he is the most ready to play de in the draft but where does he go from here. I still think tunsil, wentzand ramsey are going top 3 and if you can't trade down who else do you pick there? He may never be a league leader in sacks but he will be better than some think

Goff. For me.

But if the team doesn't like him, then you're right, pretty much has to be Bosa there

 

[TheCount]

Interesting watch,surprising number of his sacks come from inside.

If Bosa was 10-15 lbs heavier, people would feel much more confident about him as a pass rushing DT. A lot of the doubts come from worries about his athletic upside as a DE.

 

[dbonham]

Whoever we pick I expect this board to kvetch about it for ten years. If Bosa he will be a hurricane at LE and everyone will call him a bust as he puts up Spencer like sack numbers

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was getting absolutely no help from his offensive line or his running back in terms of blocking.

Then you watch Wentz who was in much the same boat and did so much more. I'm a believer in the idea that is something you either have or don't. The ability to look downfield and see the rush at the same time. Peripheral awareness.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If Bosa was 10-15 lbs heavier, people would feel much more confident about him as a pass rushing DT. A lot of the doubts come from worries about his athletic upside as a DE.

4.21 shuttle. 6.89 cone. 10'2" BJ

Those are elite and compare favorably with any top prospect you want to mention in the last 10 years. I think people just don't trust white athletes; I should point out that I am singling no one out particularly not you here or in any other case. Jordy Nelson and JJ Watt got similar questions.

Most every single comparison is to another white guy: Allen, Kerrigan, Long, and Watt. He actually plays like some of those guys but he also plays like Greg Hardy and Michael Strahan. People don't even think comparing him to Clowney.

Remember when Tyron Smith came out as a 20 year old and they showed him shirtless and he looked like Atlas? Did people question whether or not he would grow? Were there accusations that he had maxed out?

 

[btcutter]

4.21 shuttle. 6.89 cone. 10'2" BJ

Those are elite and compare favorably with any top prospect you want to mention in the last 10 years. I think people just don't trust white athletes; I should point out that I am singling no one out particularly not you here or in any other case. Jordy Nelson and JJ Watt got similar questions.

Most every single comparison is to another white guy: Allen, Kerrigan, Long, and Watt. He actually plays like some of those guys but he also plays like Greg Hardy and Michael Strahan. People don't even think comparing him to Clowney.

Remember when Tyron Smith came out as a 20 year old and they showed him shirtless and he looked like Atlas? Did people question whether or not he would grow? Were there accusations that he had maxed out?

I give you double "like" if I could.
Always said there's more than one way to sack the QB then to bend around the corner.

 

[TheCount]

4.21 shuttle. 6.89 cone. 10'2" BJ

Those are elite and compare favorably with any top prospect you want to mention in the last 10 years. I think people just don't trust white athletes; I should point out that I am singling no one out particularly not you here or in any other case. Jordy Nelson and JJ Watt got similar questions.

Most every single comparison is to another white guy: Allen, Kerrigan, Long, and Watt. He actually plays like some of those guys but he also plays like Greg Hardy and Michael Strahan. People don't even think comparing him to Clowney.

Remember when Tyron Smith came out as a 20 year old and they showed him shirtless and he looked like Atlas? Did people question whether or not he would grow? Were there accusations that he had maxed out?

I'm not 100% on what you're getting at, but Strahan was a 2nd round selection and Hardy was taken in the 6th.

We're talking Top 5 pick here, of course Bosa is going to get scrutinized.

I don't disagree that white players tend to get compared to white players and black players to black players. There's a lot of coded terminology that gets thrown around on both sides.

 

[hendog]

I'm not 100% on what you're getting at, but Strahan was a 2nd round selection and Hardy was taken in the 6th.
We're talking Top 5 pick here, of course Bosa is going to get scrutinized.

I don't disagree that white players tend to get compared to white players and black players to black players. There's a lot of coded terminology that gets thrown around on both sides.

Not too many black guys look and sound like Spicoli.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not 100% on what you're getting at, but Strahan was a 2nd round selection and Hardy was taken in the 6th.

We're talking Top 5 pick here, of course Bosa is going to get scrutinized.

I don't disagree that white players tend to get compared to white players and black players to black players. There's a lot of coded terminology that gets thrown around on both sides.

I'm talking about top NFL pass rushers of their era. I couldn't tell you what Strahan or Hardy looked like in college. I'm meaning Bosa plays in college like they did/do in the NFL ie a player comparison. The way that he slaps, swims, rips, punches, extends, comesback, all those speed to power moves. Bruce Smith and Randy White played like that. Those highlights are 30 minutes of Bosa doing it.

Now the question is whether or not those moves will work in the NFL against those OT. Can he beat Morgan Moses, Lane Johnson, Jason Peters, Trent Williams, and Justin Pugh?

That is why I point out the measurables. He put up 28 reps at his pro day as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if he comes into the league like Zach Martin but on the opposite side of the ball. I think Bosa would wreck NFCE RT like Martin did their DT. He would get to take on Free at practice much like Martin with Hayden. You're setting him up for success.

 

[Gaede]

I'm talking about top NFL pass rushers of their era. I couldn't tell you what Strahan or Hardy looked like in college. I'm meaning Bosa plays in college like they did/do in the NFL ie a player comparison. The way that he slaps, swims, rips, punches, extends, comesback, all those speed to power moves. Bruce Smith and Randy White played like that. Those highlights are 30 minutes of Bosa doing it.

Now the question is whether or not those moves will work in the NFL against those OT. Can he beat Morgan Moses, Lane Johnson, Jason Peters, Trent Williams, and Justin Pugh?

That is why I point out the measurables. He put up 28 reps at his pro day as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if he comes into the league like Zach Martin but on the opposite side of the ball. I think Bosa would wreck NFCE RT like Martin did their DT. He would get to take on Free at practice much like Martin with Hayden. You're setting him up for success.

Funny, I'm not a Bosa fan, as you know, but I have thought of that comparison as well. Someone we don't necessarily want in our ideal scenario, but will be more than content to take, given his ranking.

And who better to get the best out of Bosa than Marinelli?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Funny, I'm not a Bosa fan, as you know, but I have thought of that comparison as well. Someone we don't necessarily want in our ideal scenario, but will be more than content to take, given his ranking.

And who better to get the best out of Bosa than Marinelli?

I've thought that between Goff, Ramsey, Bosa, and Tunsil that we could let the draft come to us and stayed within that we couldn't go wrong.

If we draft Bosa and Gregory works out then you have three plus pass rushers for your rotation. A nickel line of DLaw Crawford Bosa Gregory would be a thing of beauty as is a base of Bosa Thornton Crawford DLaw. Defenders need to be rotated and have depth due to injury concerns so you're covered either way.

Ramsey comes in and takes on the super sub role just like Jones did last year and Ramsey himself did his sophomore. More dynamic coverage guys means better disguise and we turn a weakness, coverage in the middle of the field, into a strength. Ramsey might be better at covering TE than Jones was.

Even Free to Tunsil is a massive upgrade.

I actually think that Goff to be the best move overall. It addresses an immediate need but it also shows vision regarding the most precious commodity in the NFL. I think Goff has the presence of mind and athletic ability to play QB at a high level and contribute quickly should Romo get hurt again. He's also very young like Bosa. If you hit on him he's 35 after a 15 year career.

Overall drafting near the top of every round and how the Cowboys target certain players, I think they could do well this draft.

 

[Gaede]

I've thought that between Goff, Ramsey, Bosa, and Tunsil that we could let the draft come to us and stayed within that we couldn't go wrong.

If we draft Bosa and Gregory works out then you have three plus pass rushers for your rotation. A nickel line of DLaw Crawford Bosa Gregory would be a thing of beauty as is a base of Bosa Thornton Crawford DLaw. Defenders need to be rotated and have depth due to injury concerns so you're covered either way.

Ramsey comes in and takes on the super sub role just like Jones did last year and Ramsey himself did his sophomore. More dynamic coverage guys means better disguise and we turn a weakness, coverage in the middle of the field, into a strength. Ramsey might be better at covering TE than Jones was.

Even Free to Tunsil is a massive upgrade.

I actually think that Goff to be the best move overall. It addresses an immediate need but it also shows vision regarding the most precious commodity in the NFL. I think Goff has the presence of mind and athletic ability to play QB at a high level and contribute quickly should Romo get hurt again. He's also very young like Bosa. If you hit on him he's 35 after a 15 year career.

Overall drafting near the top of every round and how the Cowboys target certain players, I think they could do well this draft.

Agreed. Just need be patient and don't get cute.

 

[dfense]

Once all the plays where he got stoned cold stopped at the line of scrimmage were edited out he actually looks worthy of a 4th round pick.

Let the over analyzing begin.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If he was here they could use him in the 3 spot on many occasions and he could also possibly play LDE with D.Law playing RDE and have them stunt a bunch.

I think a good deal of D.Law's sacks came from stunting last year.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Bosa has some warts, but he will be one of the better ones from this class's first round players where every player in the top ten has legit drawbacks. This whole group reminds me of the class of 2013 where the elite talent just wasn't in abundance, but Dallas picked one of the absolute best of the group in T-Fred.

I see a pre-injury Chris Long circa 2010-2013 as a very realistic possibility for him, possibly bumping that ceiling higher given his insanely young age.

 

[Hardline]

Let the over analyzing begin.

When you have the 4th pick in the draft you damn well better be over analyzing the player.

 

[jnday]

4.21 shuttle. 6.89 cone. 10'2" BJ

Those are elite and compare favorably with any top prospect you want to mention in the last 10 years. I think people just don't trust white athletes; I should point out that I am singling no one out particularly not you here or in any other case. Jordy Nelson and JJ Watt got similar questions.

Most every single comparison is to another white guy: Allen, Kerrigan, Long, and Watt. He actually plays like some of those guys but he also plays like Greg Hardy and Michael Strahan. People don't even think comparing him to Clowney.

Remember when Tyron Smith came out as a 20 year old and they showed him shirtless and he looked like Atlas? Did people question whether or not he would grow? Were there accusations that he had maxed out?

Many questioned his size and the trouble he had keeping weight on. IMO, another ten pounds would make him an even better player.