Joey Bosa might not be the top-10 NFL Draft pick he's been made out to be

[BrAinPaiNt]

I really wanted to like Joey Bosa's film more than I actually did. I think that's mostly because the guy has such great technique for a college defensive lineman, and y'all know I'm a sucker for a defensive lineman with good technique.

Bosa does a great job of coming off the ball and getting his hands inside on blockers against the run so that he can control them. He also almost always uses an escape move to get off blocks. His footwork and hand coordination on pass-rush moves are consistent and textbook almost all of the time. I'm telling you, it's almost like the dude is a machine!

Read the rest... http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/...-joey-bosa-ohio-state-defensive-end-breakdown

 

[CATCH17]

With Bosa I expect him to come in and play at least *OK* from day one, but I don't see him ever being much better than what he is as a rookie. I credit him for just about maxing out his potential by working so hard on his technique, but in the NFL what that really means is while his floor may be higher than a lot of prospects, his ceiling is probably going to be lower than many of the top level guys as well.

I wouldn't go that far but I agree that he is overrated but I don't think you'll be drafting a bust either.


Some of the DL in this draft have crazy upside and I value trading down and getting a guy like Shaq Lawson and picking up a extra 2 and 4th more than I do drafting Bosa flat out.

You got guys like Shawn Oakman that are prototypical pass rushers and just need to be groomed a little.

We have our Left end in Lawrence and I don't want to move him over to RE.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Pretty much how I feel about him. He will be a good player but at that spot (#4) you need a perennial All-Pro.

Take the QB.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I wouldn't go that far but I agree that he is overrated but I don't think you'll be drafting a bust either.


Some of the DL in this draft have crazy upside and I value trading down and getting a guy like Shaq Lawson and picking up a extra 2 and 4th more than I do drafting Bosa flat out.

You got guys like Shawn Oakman that are prototypical pass rushers and just need to be groomed a little.

We have our Left end in Lawrence and I don't want to move him over to RE.

Trading down would be ideal but who is the dance partner?

I'd stay away from Oakman, at least in the 1st round and he'd have to play LDE.

 

[CATCH17]

Trading down would be ideal but who is the dance partner?

I'd stay away from Oakman, at least in the 1st round and he'd have to play LDE.

I was listening to Sirius XM's NFL station yesterday and the JAgs GM was on and saying teams were already calling and asking about moving up to their pick for a QB.


If we don't want a QB there is already teams out there willing to give up picks to get up there.

 

[DBOY3141]

I was listening to Sirius XM's NFL station yesterday and the JAgs GM was on and saying teams were already calling and asking about moving up to their pick for a QB.


If we don't want a QB there is already teams out there willing to give up picks to get up there.

unless the Jags are lying.

 

[gimmesix]

I really wanted to like Joey Bosa's film more than I actually did. I think that's mostly because the guy has such great technique for a college defensive lineman, and y'all know I'm a sucker for a defensive lineman with good technique.

Bosa does a great job of coming off the ball and getting his hands inside on blockers against the run so that he can control them. He also almost always uses an escape move to get off blocks. His footwork and hand coordination on pass-rush moves are consistent and textbook almost all of the time. I'm telling you, it's almost like the dude is a machine!

Read the rest... http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/...-joey-bosa-ohio-state-defensive-end-breakdown

Man, I wish I could find the article I was reading that compared defensive ends based on the impact plays (sacks, tackles for loss, possibly pressures) over the final two years of college. What the writer of that article found is that a combination of those statistics in past drafts have proven to correctly show who in past drafts would go on to be elite pass rushers in the NFL, and Bosa's numbers rank him among a small group in this draft that should have similar success.

I'm probably stating that wrong, but I was impressed with the writer's premise and research, and am more willing to accept that than some guy not being impressed with him when others are.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

From the article...

Then there were the times when he just, like, fell down during plays. My old defensive line coach Rod Marinelli hated to turn on the film and see us on the ground. Usually it was a sign of a guy with either bad balance, bad technique or some combination of both. With Bosa it usually wasn't technique, so what's left? Let me tell you, a pass rusher with poor balance is going to have a hell of a time trying to win against offensive lineman in the NFL.

 

[dcboy]

i completely agree with his analysis. i see a very solid nfl player, definitely not worth a top 10 pick.

 

[texbumthelife]

I wouldn't go that far but I agree that he is overrated but I don't think you'll be drafting a bust either.


Some of the DL in this draft have crazy upside and I value trading down and getting a guy like Shaq Lawson and picking up a extra 2 and 4th more than I do drafting Bosa flat out.

You got guys like Shawn Oakman that are prototypical pass rushers and just need to be groomed a little.

We have our Left end in Lawrence and I don't want to move him over to RE.

I get the Lawson hype, but Oakman a prototypical pass rusher? In what way? He has awful technique, a questionable motor, no pass rush moves to speak of. Oakman is a pure (upper body) gym rat, who needs an exceeding amount of work (and squats) to be a successful pass rusher. In the mid - late rounds his freak athleticism is worth a flier, but not until then.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I really wanted to like Joey Bosa's film more than I actually did. I think that's mostly because the guy has such great technique for a college defensive lineman, and y'all know I'm a sucker for a defensive lineman with good technique.

Bosa does a great job of coming off the ball and getting his hands inside on blockers against the run so that he can control them. He also almost always uses an escape move to get off blocks. His footwork and hand coordination on pass-rush moves are consistent and textbook almost all of the time. I'm telling you, it's almost like the dude is a machine!

Read the rest... http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/...-joey-bosa-ohio-state-defensive-end-breakdown

I haven't been impressed with Bosa. Looks like a solid player, nothing more.

Always have to be weary about players that play for big schools with great defenses like Ohio State. Especially if you look at Urban Meyer's defensive players at Florida. Most of them didn't really work out. Better coaching and superior talent can make certain players look much better than they really are.





YR

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I haven't been impressed with Bosa. Looks like a solid player, nothing more.

Always have to be weary about players that play for big schools with great defenses like Ohio State. Especially if you look at Urban Meyer's defensive players at Florida. Most of them didn't really work out. Better coaching and superior talent can make certain players look much better than they really are.





YR

Sometimes I think Ohio State (on defense over the years) is one of those defenses where the Sum is better than the parts. They would produce high ranking LBs but once in the NFL they would be average at best.

 

[TheFinisher]

I get the Lawson hype, but Oakman a prototypical pass rusher? In what way? He has awful technique, a questionable motor, no pass rush moves to speak of. Oakman is a pure (upper body) gym rat, who needs an exceeding amount of work (and squats) to be a successful pass rusher. In the mid - late rounds his freak athleticism is worth a flier, but not until then.

Oakland is just really tall, hes never going to have a squatty build in his lower half. He supposedly squats over 600 lbs which is more than a lot of NFL DEs so I don't question his lower body strength, plus it's not like these guys go into the gym and just decide their workouts for the day.

His height makes his lower body look deceiving. His issue is more technique than anything else.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Oakland is just really tall, hes never going to have a squatty build in his lower half. He supposedly squats over 600 lbs which is more than a lot of NFL DEs so I don't question his lower body strength, plus it's not like these guys go into the gym and just decide their workouts for the day.

His height makes his lower body look deceiving. His issue is more technique than anything else.

He is one of those guys that if you watch one game (like he played against my WVU Mountaineers) and he looked all world.

You watch some other tapes and he looked just average at best.

For a man his size one would think he would dominate his opponents on a regular basis but he does not.

I think that is why some question his desire and if he takes plays off.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I see a lot of Greg Ellis in him. Not exactly Greg Ellis, but not far from him.

I wouldn't draft him at #4, but maybe late first round. Greg Ellis wasn't worth the #8 pick, but he would have been decent at #20+. Possibly even acceptable at #15+

 

[CATCH17]

I get the Lawson hype, but Oakman a prototypical pass rusher? In what way? He has awful technique, a questionable motor, no pass rush moves to speak of. Oakman is a pure (upper body) gym rat, who needs an exceeding amount of work (and squats) to be a successful pass rusher. In the mid - late rounds his freak athleticism is worth a flier, but not until then.

Technique can be taught.

Oakman has the size, athletic ability, and initial burst off the LOS.

IF you have those 3 things you can be turned into a legit pass rush guy.


All Baylor players are projects. They have athletes but they rely solely on system and don't teach their players any technique.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Most of the comments in this thread are on the money. Solid player but generally overrated. I don't want him at 4.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Sometimes I think Ohio State (on defense over the years) is one of those defenses where the Sum is better than the parts. They would produce high ranking LBs but once in the NFL they would be average at best.

They are also a run oriented offense that scores a lot of points. I think much like the Cowboys in 2014 and that makes the defense look better than it actually is.






YR

 

[texbumthelife]

Oakland is just really tall, hes never going to have a squatty build in his lower half. He supposedly squats over 600 lbs which is more than a lot of NFL DEs so I don't question his lower body strength, plus it's not like these guys go into the gym and just decide their workouts for the day.

His height makes his lower body look deceiving. His issue is more technique than anything else.

That makes some sense, though I was mostly just mocking him more than really questioning. He's got tiny calves though, it's weird.

 

[texbumthelife]

Technique can be taught.

Oakman has the size, athletic ability, and initial burst off the LOS.

IF you have those 3 things you can be turned into a legit pass rush guy.


All Baylor players are projects. They have athletes but they rely solely on system and don't teach their players any technique.

His burst really isn't that great and he has no ability to transition between speed and power. Yes, these things can be taught, which is why I still said I would take him, just not until later.