John Ross Available

[Avery]

Why would CIN already give up on him? That’s my biggest question.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

 

[Stash]

 

[Runwildboys]

4.22 speed.

So Dak wouldn't be able to overthrow him?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Never forget randy moss was had for a 4th.

His circumstance was dampened by major off the field questions, work ethic, and a massive salary cap hit. Ross is just not meeting his potential.

 

[Zekeats]

Nope. not unless it's a 6th or 7th rounder in 2020 or a flyer if he's released. JMO

Yeah, 5th rounder is too high. Could possibly get a guy who won't even make the team. This draft sucks this year, trade away the picks and go quality over quantity this year.

 

[Hardline]

Can he rush the passer or stuff the run?

 

[Ebnorice]

A kind of surprising stat. He scored 7 tds last season

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

4.22 speed.

Question would be though, can Dak throw it to him deep consistently enough?

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Ross is a glaring example of why not to draft 40 times.

Al Davis success rate would be another example

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

So Dak wouldn't be able to overthrow him?

what about underthrowing him?

 

[Runwildboys]

what about underthrowing him?

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL..............

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Who's gonna throw to him?

Dak "Long-Ball" Prescott.....

 

[OmerV]

He’s been injured playing in only 16 total games in two seasons so that is a legitimate concern, but as I said initially I wouldn’t blink twice giving up a 5th for him.

Given we don’t have a first rounder I would want to keep all the draft picks we have. But people can have different viewpoints on that.

 

[LarryCanadian]

Guy was an excellent player as a Washington Husky (my step-nephew played and was friends with him). Didn't seem to have dropsies back there, and was a super dangerous return man - if he could find his form again (2 major injuries right?).....who knows. Depends on cost - should be on his entry level contract.....We could use speed on offense and some help in return game, depending on Austin (also, who knows how iffy Austin's health/groin is too?).....

 

[KingintheNorth]

risk vs reward here...

If you get to the 4th round and all of your guys are off the board, maybe the risk becomes worth it. Or if you have done your board homework and you don't feel the value is going to be there, you make the trade before the draft. The Cowboys have a good relationship with Chris Peterson so if he vouches for the former Husky, that would carry some weight with the team.

Some things to consider: In trading for Ross, you get him for a 2019 cap hit of $2,020,988 and a 2020 cap hit of $2,798,982. Since he's a player received via trade, you don't inherit the prorated bonus from his signing bonus. If he plays well, you can also trigger his 5th year option for 2021. The Cowboys just saved $2.25M by moving on from Terrance Williams. They could save another $4M if they get out of their feelings and make the sound decision to not pick up Allen Hurns option. They also have Cole Beasley and Tavon Austin hitting the open market in 2 weeks. Cooper's ability to play inside means you can add a 3rd receiver who plays outside, as opposed to a true slot guy. Ross also can return kicks so he adds value there.

To me, this comes down to two things:
1) Do they value Ross based on their own scouting and coachability concerns (any issues in Cincinnati, Peterson's take on him)
2) What do the Bengals want for him

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I didn’t watch any Bengals games last year, but something doesn’t seem right about his stats. 21 catches on 60 targets seems very inefficient. Him having 7 TDs and not a lot of yards seems like he was getting those catches in the RZ(or screen passes? Though that should be high percentage so might not fit) so it would appear he can get open in tight spaces. Was he just a deep threat/RZ target and Dalton couldn’t connect deep?

Either way I’m intrigued by the speed. I don’t think a late pick would entice them, but a player for player trade might work since we definitely have a couple of change of scenery candidates. Particularly Lewis since Cincy seems to love CBs so much.

If the Bengals need a CB and are willing to part ways with Ross for a 5th, then I wonder if they'd go for a Ross-Awuzie or Lewis sort of deal? More importantly, do you think that would suit us?

 

[fansince68]

What's his remaining contract look like ..

5 million over the next 2 yrs.

 

[buybuydandavis]

If he could be had for a 5th rounder I’d do it.

Player value is at its lowest pre-draft.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ngals-shopping-wr-john-ross-after-two-seasons

His catch rate was 36.2 in 2018.
I don't think I've ever seen a WR in the 30s.

Weird thing is, he had 81 catches in his senior year at UW. His hands can't be that bad. Can punt/kick return. Took 8 carries for a good average. Good fit to replace Austin. Better size, too. Big enough to play wide.

Played 3 games at corner at UW.

Gimmick man. Depends what he costs. I expect people are way lowballing what the Bengals finally get.

 

[buybuydandavis]

5 million over the next 2 yrs.

Ooops. Hadn't thought of that.

And being a first rounder, it's guaranteed. That's going to make it hard for them to move him.