Jonathan Cooper on track for a starting job

[NEODOG]

By watching practice.... You'd see Chaz is better than Cooper

It is obvious....

 

[Stash]

I understand this thought process, but I can't get behind it. If Green gives us a better chance of success if even for a few games, then I'm for him starting. I think that's more important than any perceived cohesion loss. It isn't like if he goes down we're having to bring in another guard who hasn't worked with the first unit. Both Cooper and Bell are spending time there and I don't think we'll miss a beat as far as continuity goes, just as we didn't when Green had to step in at tackle.

Like I said, if it's close, give it to the guy you think can stay healthy. If it's not close, give it to the player who is clearly better and let the rest take care of itself.

Ok. We agree to disagree on this one.

 

[gimmesix]

By watching practice.... You'd see Chaz is better than Cooper

It is obvious....

Are you talking about the videos that have been posted or were you at the actual practices?

I'm curious because I can't say I've seen any videos that show he is obviously better at guard than Cooper.

 

[Risen Star]

I too think that they should have resigned Leary. Of course with cap considerations if we can replace him with a less expensive substitute and get the same level of play, that is preferred.

I would have also looked to add a running back in the draft. Maybe Smith makes that moot. I am hoping so. It would be a tragedy to fail to have a RB capable of carrying this team without Zeke in case of suspension, or injury with this current OL. A ******* tragedy.

They just went 13-3 and the 1 seed. They should have tagged Leary, moved Collins to RT (accepted now but so many here scoffed at this 6 months ago), told the head coach to quit being a coward and get his team prepared to play down the stretch of the season and into the playoffs, and made a real run at it this year.

Instead they chose to weaken their greatest strength. Makes zero sense to me. We have a Craigslist ad out at LG.

As for RB, Morris is quite capable of carrying the load. He's the best option to replace Zeke once his year long suspension is announced. McFadden is a role player. He's best to compliment Zeke not replace him. Smith doesn't deserve a mention. He's this year's camp story.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We have a Craigslist ad out at LG.

Not really.

 

[Verdict]

They just went 13-3 and the 1 seed. They should have tagged Leary, moved Collins to RT (accepted now but so many here scoffed at this 6 months ago), told the head coach to quit being a coward and get his team prepared to play down the stretch of the season and into the playoffs, and made a real run at it this year.

Instead they chose to weaken their greatest strength. Makes zero sense to me. We have a Craigslist ad out at LG.

As for RB, Morris is quite capable of carrying the load. He's the best option to replace Zeke once his year long suspension is announced. McFadden is a role player. He's best to compliment Zeke not replace him. Smith doesn't deserve a mention. He's this year's camp story.

While Morris looked good in the preseason game I think he is done.

 

[Risen Star]

While Morris looked good in the preseason game I think he is done.

Minus the game he just played where he looked really good he's a shot player.

What? Let me guess. Rod Smith is where it's at now?

 

[Risen Star]

Not really.

We have journeymen players competing for that spot.

Cooper, Bell, Green. It's about as marginal as you can get in this league.

 

[Verdict]

Minus the game he just played where he looked really good he's a shot player.

What? Let me guess. Rod Smith is where it's at now?

I don't know that Rod is a player yet. I haven't arrived at that conclusion yet. I am convinced Morris is done.

I think you may have me confused with someone else. I wanted Mixon drafted to back up Zeke.

 

[Idgit]

The reason I don't believe in Cooper at this point is we are his 4th team.

One of his 3 previous teams was the Patriots and if the Patriots don't think you can play then I don't like your odds.

This is a league that is desperate for quality linemen and he has been cut 3 times already.

For us to get the quality we are hoping for I think it will have to come from Chaz Green.

That's exactly how I feel about it. I liked Cooper a lot coming out, too.

 

[Tabascocat]

I don't know that Rod is a player yet. I haven't arrived at that conclusion yet. I am convinced Morris is done.

I think you may have me confused with someone else. I wanted Mixon drafted to back up Zeke.

Morris is not done. He may be "done" in Dallas but there is plenty of gas left in that tank. I am not sold on Rod yet either

 

[Verdict]

Morris is not done. He may be "done" in Dallas but there is plenty of gas left in that tank. I am not sold on Rod yet either

Morris looked pretty good during the preseason last year then really sucked surprisingly badly during the season when he played against NFL quality competition. He is a one trick pony at RB which also makes him less desirable.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The reason I don't believe in Cooper at this point is we are his 4th team.

One of his 3 previous teams was the Patriots and if the Patriots don't think you can play then I don't like your odds.

This is a league that is desperate for quality linemen and he has been cut 3 times already.

For us to get the quality we are hoping for I think it will have to come from Chaz Green.

Been saying since last year when we signed Cooper and some assumed we got a steal; folks should prepare themselves for the reality that Cooper just may not be really good.

 

[Swanny]

They just went 13-3 and the 1 seed. They should have tagged Leary, moved Collins to RT (accepted now but so many here scoffed at this 6 months ago), told the head coach to quit being a coward and get his team prepared to play down the stretch of the season and into the playoffs, and made a real run at it this year.

Instead they chose to weaken their greatest strength. Makes zero sense to me. We have a Craigslist ad out at LG.

As for RB, Morris is quite capable of carrying the load. He's the best option to replace Zeke once his year long suspension is announced. McFadden is a role player. He's best to compliment Zeke not replace him. Smith doesn't deserve a mention. He's this year's camp story.

I'd prefer to let Leary walk and Get Martin signed to a long term deal

 

[CATCH17]

I'd prefer to let Leary walk and Get Martin signed to a long term deal

I would have liked to have kept Leary but since we let him walk I kind of wish we would've done more to address the talent.

I liked Green at tackle and he looks like a heavy handed player that can probably drive guys off the line like Leary did somewhat but I just don't trust him to stay healthy and I don't know how he will do getting to the 2nd level of a defense on run blocks.

 

[diefree666]

Bottom line everyone that thinks we should have kept Leary ignores cap reality.

 

[gimmesix]

As for RB, Morris is quite capable of carrying the load. He's the best option to replace Zeke once his year long suspension is announced. McFadden is a role player. He's best to compliment Zeke not replace him. Smith doesn't deserve a mention. He's this year's camp story.

Don't see it that way. McFadden is the clear backup and would carry the bulk of the load if Zeke missed time for any reason. He was fine in that role in 2015 in this offense so I can't see the coaches not trusting him to do that again.

So that makes it a question of whether you keep Morris just in case even though he does not contribute as anything other than a ball carrier. Smith is a core special teammer and is on the first team on those units. His value there wins the day unless he just blows it as a back, which he hasn't done. His versatility to also play fullback if needed just adds to what he offers.

We could go with four backs to keep Morris in case of emergency, but that roster spot would be an expensive insurance policy.

 

[gimmesix]

I would have liked to have kept Leary but since we let him walk I kind of wish we would've done more to address the talent.

I liked Green at tackle and he looks like a heavy handed player that can probably drive guys off the line like Leary did somewhat but I just don't trust him to stay healthy and I don't know how he will do getting to the 2nd level of a defense on run blocks.

My prediction is that once fans see Green in there with the starters, they are going to be impressed. But then we'll be disappointed when his next injury sidelines him.

 

[elcowboi]

I keep going back to something that Cooper and Leary said.

Cooper commented that he had never been around an Oline that worked as hard as the OL in Dallas worked. Seemed like he knew he had to step up.

Leary, after arriving and practicing in Denver, commented that those guys, the Denver OL, needed to work harder.

Obviously Leary had become accustomed by a level of work that wasn't there in Denver.
Obviously Cooper was introduced to a level of work that he hadn't experienced before.

THese quotes made me hope that Cooper "Gets it" and could finally start to achieve that potential he had coming out of college and that being around those other OL in Dallas can help him get there.

“Everybody just needs to be pushed more and work harder,” Leary said. “That’s what we’re trying to do as a group. It’s not an individual thing. We’re just going to try to get that mentality that we’re physical, that we don’t take anything from anybody.”

Leary said developing chemistry among the linemen is a big key to success. Most of the Broncos offensive line, including Leary and Garcia, have spent their offseason training and hanging out with each in Denver, which has strengthened their bond.

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/09/ronald-leary-broncos-offensive-line-shift/

 

[Risen Star]

Don't see it that way. McFadden is the clear backup and would carry the bulk of the load if Zeke missed time for any reason. He was fine in that role in 2015 in this offense so I can't see the coaches not trusting him to do that again.

So that makes it a question of whether you keep Morris just in case even though he does not contribute as anything other than a ball carrier. Smith is a core special teammer and is on the first team on those units. His value there wins the day unless he just blows it as a back, which he hasn't done. His versatility to also play fullback if needed just adds to what he offers.

We could go with four backs to keep Morris in case of emergency, but that roster spot would be an expensive insurance policy.

It makes it a question of whether you keep Morris just in case only if you're wrong and believe McFadden is the more capable starting RB.

McFadden is a 3rd down back. Morris is the guy who will pound the ball between the tackles and wear out defenses.