Jones averaging 4.1 yards per carry

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Alexander;1253490 said:
I honestly don't think Coach Parcells is sitting around consulting charts, graphs and so forth. When the game is on the line, he gets the carries to the back that is producing consistently.

If you don't think that BP doesn't analyze trends using graphs, charts and so on, you haven't been listening too closely to him for the past 3 years. He even employs a person that does exactly what you say he doesn't do.
 

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Jimz31;1253480 said:
Nah, we would have had AT LEAST a much closer game than the blowout that we had against NO. I wouldn't have gone COMPLETELY away from the ONE GUY on this team that was hot that day. Sorry, but a 10-14 point deficit early in the game does NOT constitute an emergency.

Oh what a crime....to use the hot hand and not get away from it.

Guess what....we are going up against a team that is woeful against the run. How much do you want to bet that we will pass more than we will run. How many times the last 3 years have we seen BP and company gameplan TO an opposing teams STRENGHTS?

But oh yes.....NOBODY can game plan like BP.

Do you have a point or do you prefer to just foam at the mouth with your distain for our coach?
 

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Jimz31;1253494 said:
If you don't think that BP doesn't analyze trends using graphs, charts and so on, you haven't been listening too closely to him for the past 3 years. He even employs a person that does exactly what you say he doesn't do.

I realize he does this. He, Belichick and others all do it.

I doubt this particular individual pushes his taped glasses up his nose and quotes statistical averages from another season and certainly not from 2004.

Coach Parcells has always maintained the limited utility of "history".
 

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Alexander;1253496 said:
Do you have a point or do you prefer to just foam at the mouth with your distain for our coach?

I have NO disdain for BP. I'm just not stupid enough to say that BP is the greatest game-caller in the history of the game.
 

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Alexander;1253500 said:
I realize he does this. He, Belichick and others all do it.

I doubt this particular individual pushes his taped glasses up his nose and quotes statistical averages from another season and certainly not from 2004.

Coach Parcells has always maintained the limited utility of "history".

You have no idea WHAT the guy looks like and I would laugh like crazy if he DOES look like a young Bill Gates.
 

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The point is that we expected more from Julius, considering where he was drafted, how much he's making, and what we gave up (or passed over) to get him. He's had too many dog games sprinkled among the good ones. Romo is such a nice story because we expected next to nothing (or a whole lot of struggling). Not so with Julius. Some of you are patting him on the head like he's an overachieving Sherman Williams. But he was supposed to be the guy, not a complementary back or spare part. He had a comically-low number of carries vs. the Giants despite being "well-rested." Can you imagine Emmitt punking out in a game of that magnitude? It was no coincidence that they were shopping him around last April; expect more of the same four months from now.
 

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Alexander;1253490 said:
I honestly don't think Coach Parcells is sitting around consulting charts, graphs and so forth.

Like Jim said, if you think that, then you obviously don't know much about Bill Parcells.

And please note your 15 of first 24 starts statement as it completely ignores my assertion concerning the validity of a "slump".

No, it does not. It indicates a level of previous production that dropped off after those 24 games. You can't qualify a slump without the prior level of play.

I stand firm by my assertion that a football slump certainly shouldn't last half a season.

And yet, they often do, for various reasons.

So what's the significance of the statistical flashcards here? Are you trying to sell that somehow Jones is even close to the level of Tomlinson in any way shape or form?

If you had been following along, you wouldn't have to ask that question.

His production is consistently average. It's not exceptional.

Until the middle of this season, his production was consistently above-average, and occasionally exceptional.

By virtue of one run. One.

Again, you're wrong. It's no wonder your opinions are so misguided when you don't even have a clear understanding of the facts.

Take away Julius' 77-yard run, and his average still would have been 4.33 yards in that game, which also would have ended his streak.

And if you're so fond of removing outliers, why not remove Julius' 3-yard loss against Carolina? Then would have averaged 4.13 yards in that game, ending his streak after one game. And if we remove his 3-yard loss against Tampa Bay, and he would have averaged 4.3 yards in that game, ending his streak at three games.

Again, you see the impact of "one run ... one" and why I've been saying it's misleading to look at simple YPC as a measure of effectiveness.

At any rate, why drop Tomlinson into the discussion at all? To me, that's a pretty transparent attempt to name-drop in order to impress.

Other people brought Tomlinson into the discussion long before I mentioned him. But my point was that almost every running back -- no matter how good, and Tomlinson is the best right now -- goes through such streaks for four or five games or more when they don't break 4.0 in any game. The fact that Julius finally had one shouldn't be a big shock.

If you'd feel better if I had said Corey Dillon, Ahman Green, Kevin Jones, Travis Henry, Steven Jackson, Edgerrin James, Curtis Martin, Willis McGahee, Shaun Alexander, Brian Westbrook, Michael Pittman, Thomas Jones, Marshall Faulk, Warrick Dunn -- pick a level of player, any level -- then pretend I used them as an example, because they've all had those kind of streaks.
 

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bbgun;1253508 said:
The point is that we expected more from Julius, considering where he was drafted, how much he's making, and what we gave up (or passed over) to get him. He's had too many dog games sprinkled among the good ones. Romo is such a nice story because we expected next to nothing (or a whole lot of struggling). Not so with Julius. Some of you are patting him on the head like he's an overachieving Sherman Williams. But he was supposed to be the guy, not a complementary back or spare part. He had a comically-low number of carries vs. the Giants despite being "well-rested." Can you imagine Emmitt punking out in a game of that magnitude? It was no coincidence that they were shopping him around last April; expect more of the same four months from now.

Good post.

I know...they are the same size and Jones has to be rested so he can have gas in his tank:rolleyes: Where Smith carried us to victory time and time again.

Wouldn't mind trading Jones at all...But we're going to take a loss if we do, we aren't going to get a 2nd for him.
 

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bbgun;1253508 said:
The point is that we expected more from Julius, considering where he was drafted, how much he's making, and what we gave up (or passed over) to get him.

the only player we passed, that we're regretting, is Stephen Jackson, but we have MBIII, who is a similar player

Julius was a 2nd round pick, getting over 1,000 yards and over 4 yards per carry is justification, and he's not making that much money

and he's still only in his 3rd year, and has 2 regular season games and at least 1 playoff game to turn it around heading into his 4th
 
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