Joseph Randle Article

[phildadon86]

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2015/...ing-battle-to-be-a-leader-for-dallas-cowboys/

A piece I wrote on Randle, and how i think he will do this year.

 

[AsthmaField]

Thanks for posting man. I have high hopes for Randle. If he stays healthy, I think he's going to have a really nice season.

He has a lot of the traits that I like to see in a RB... off field decision making is not one of them though. Hopefully, he's done making that kind of mistake though.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm really looking forward to seeing him next week. They aren't going to be tackling Sunday.

 

[phildadon86]

Thanks for posting man. I have high hopes for Randle. If he stays healthy, I think he's going to have a really nice season.

He has a lot of the traits that I like to see in a RB... off field decision making is not one of them though. Hopefully, he's done making that kind of mistake though.

Yeah I completely agree. He has all the talent to be special. It's up to him now

 

[sideon]

Crazy footwork in the open field.

 

[viman96]

I do not think this is true. Most ranking have Dallas in the top 10.

Almost the entire football world has the Dallas Cowboys going 8-8 after the loss of the NFLrushing leader, and AP offensive player of the year in DeMarco Murray who signed with the Philadelphia Eagles.

As for Randle, I think he has a great opportunity to earn the starting role. However not sure he is anything more than a short tem answer.

 

[Jake0]

Just how much more "top end speed" does Randle have than Murray?

Murray's 40 time was a 4.41, Randle ran a 4.63 at the combine and 4.54/4.63 at his pro day. 4.63 is not really fast at all.

Murray could have slowed down after he bulked up and after a few of his injuries perhaps. Maybe him getting caught was just him being 15 carries in while Randle came in and took it to the house on his 3rd?

Pad speed different than underwear speed? Murray is pretty buff though so I doubt that changes too much unless him bulking really slowed him down a ton.

Has this been researched by anybody yet? Sorry if I'm out of the loop.

 

[sideon]

Just how much more "top end speed" does Randle have than Murray?

Murray's 40 time was a 4.41, Randle ran a 4.63 at the combine and 4.54/4.63 at his pro day. 4.63 is not really fast at all.

Murray could have slowed down after he bulked up and after a few of his injuries perhaps. Maybe him getting caught was just him being 15 carries in while Randle came in and took it to the house on his 3rd?

Pad speed different than underwear speed? Murray is pretty buff though so I doubt that changes too much unless him bulking really slowed him down a ton.

Has this been researched by anybody yet? Sorry if I'm out of the loop.

Have you seen both guys run? Their speed is noticeable different but the biggest difference is in their agility, Murray can't make moves past 5 yards while Randle has very good juke moves.

 

[Verdict]

You guys are revising history. It seems pretty farfetched to say that Randle is better/faster/has better moves than Murray because Murray kept Randle off of the field. Randle is not faster than Murray. I hope Randle proves serviceable in place of Murray, but at this point to argue that he is better than Murray without anything to back it up is revisionist history.

 

[Proximo]

You guys are revising history. It seems pretty farfetched to say that Randle is better/faster/has better moves than Murray because Murray kept Randle off of the field. Randle is not faster than Murray. I hope Randle proves serviceable in place of Murray, but at this point to argue that he is better than Murray without anything to back it up is revisionist history.

First, let me make it clear that I have high hopes for Randle, but reasonable expectations. I do not think he's the savior at RB.

With that being said, I don't see how anyone with a working set of eyeballs could think that Murray is as fast or agile as Randle at this point.

I can think of several Joseph Randle runs right off the top of my head (TD against Bears, TD against Jags, TD against 'Skins, long run against Seahawks), where he displayed more burst, speed, and agility than Murray did all year.

 

[robjay04]

Has anyone read any update on if he has improved in pass blocking?

 

[TheFinisher]

Let's be serious... If Randle were anywhere close to Murray's league the coaches wouldn't have kept him on the bench while Murray accumulated 500 touches last year.

This time last year most were already looking to replace Randle, excuse me if I need to see a little more than a few long runs against worn out defenses that Murray wore down before I start drinking the kool aid.

 

[Sarge]

Nice job OP.

 

[phildadon86]

You guys are revising history. It seems pretty farfetched to say that Randle is better/faster/has better moves than Murray because Murray kept Randle off of the field. Randle is not faster than Murray. I hope Randle proves serviceable in place of Murray, but at this point to argue that he is better than Murray without anything to back it up is revisionist history.

My opinion regarding the reason Murray received all the touches is that the coaches and management knew the chances of keeping him here long term were slim, so why not run him into the ground? Keep Randle fresh for the next season and use Murray as much as possible. I dont think its because Murray beat him out hands down, more of a financial move. Thats just my opinion. Murray also refused to leave games at times.

 

[robjay04]

Let's be serious... If Randle were anywhere close to Murray's league the coaches wouldn't have kept him on the bench while Murray accumulated 500 touches last year.

This time last year most were already looking to replace Randle, excuse me if I need to see a little more than a few long runs against worn out defenses that Murray wore down before I start drinking the kool aid.

I always believed that the Cowboys were riding Murray to the ground on purpose last season. I also believe Garrett/Linehan likes to have a primary back. There is just more benefits to the gameplan to stick with one guy the majority of snaps.

 

[robjay04]

Let's be serious... If Randle were anywhere close to Murray's league the coaches wouldn't have kept him on the bench while Murray accumulated 500 touches last year.

This time last year most were already looking to replace Randle, excuse me if I need to see a little more than a few long runs against worn out defenses that Murray wore down before I start drinking the kool aid.

Also considering the Cowboys let Murray walk---and Jerry said himself last season that Randle could get 100 yards a game behind this line should say a lot. The Cowboys were never aggressively pursuing a running back because they were content with Randle(for better or worse).

 

[Jake0]

Keeping Romo up is priority #1. If they don't trust Randle in passing protection, then they're telegraphing runs every time he's in there. Murray in there probably kept the defenses honest in respecting the play action and passing in general.

Randle certainly may have much better lateral agility, but I don't buy this top end speed business. 40 times measure top end speed and Randle's was abysmal. I'm talking strictly on everyone's (including the article's) complaint about Murray being caught from behind so frequently. Randle may be a better back, but I doubt him having a big advantage in top end speed is a huge factor why.

Probably not worth bothering, but you'd need to check a ton of factors to see what happened when either of them broke free or got caught. Some stuff like, how many carries did they have prior to that run, who was the last line of defense that was chasing them down and how fast were they, how much space did the defender have to close before reaching the runner, how healthy were both the runner and the chasing defender, etc etc etc.

Humans just eyeballing stuff and making assumptions is really never the way to provide strong arguments.

 

[superonyx]

Also considering the Cowboys let Murray walk---and Jerry said himself last season that Randle could get 100 yards a game behind this line should say a lot. The Cowboys were never aggressively pursuing a running back because they were content with Randle(for better or worse).

The Cowboys didn't just let Murray walk. They offered to pay him 6.5million per year to stay.
Why would they offer so much money to a back if they were so confident with his backup?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just how much more "top end speed" does Randle have than Murray?

Murray's 40 time was a 4.41, Randle ran a 4.63 at the combine and 4.54/4.63 at his pro day. 4.63 is not really fast at all.

Murray could have slowed down after he bulked up and after a few of his injuries perhaps. Maybe him getting caught was just him being 15 carries in while Randle came in and took it to the house on his 3rd?

Pad speed different than underwear speed? Murray is pretty buff though so I doubt that changes too much unless him bulking really slowed him down a ton.

Has this been researched by anybody yet? Sorry if I'm out of the loop.

Randle was like 20 at the combine. Some guys don't physically peak until as late as 25. Woicik named him as one of a few guys to really buy into his program. He is noticeably faster than he was his rookie season. Carrying his pads a little better, muscles in his legs fully developing and receiving elite training, more experience in the techniques and scheme. It all adds up. We watched him outrun and juke all comers.

 

[Jake0]

Randle was like 20 at the combine. Some guys don't physically peak until as late as 25. Woicik named him as one of a few guys to really buy into his program. He is noticeably faster than he was his rookie season. Carrying his pads a little better, muscles in his legs fully developing and receiving elite training, more experience in the techniques and scheme. It all adds up. We watched him outrun and juke all comers.

Very plausible explanation, hopefully that's what happened.