Joseph Randle (Coaches Film) Running Review

[texbumthelife]

I've seen it come up a couple of times now, not just in this thread, that Randle isn't going to get the big play. He's way more of a home run threat than Murray ever was or will be.

He's got 2 TD runs of 40+ yards in his career. DeMarco Murray has 1, against the Rams as a rookie.

Good point.

 

[Zman5]

9 out of his 16 carries were for 3 yards or less. Some of those runs, if he had better balance or strength, could have gone for few more yards. This is concerning since Gints defense isn't very good and they had a UDFA rookie at MLB and a rookie at Safety playing in their first NFL game.

He gets tackled easily and is not good in small space. If you look at all of his runs last years , you'll see the same thing. Where he is very good is when he has room to wiggle and move laterally to juke a defender. He has very quick lateral moves.

When watching coaches film, when there is a small hole, he hesitates to hit it. I'm not sure why. Maybe he is not used to doing it..

Regardless, if he is going to be our main back, 57% of his runs can't be 3 yards or less if we want to run the same style of offense as last year.

It's going to be even harder going against better defenses and without Dez on the field.

 

[Ken]

McFadden has that Home Run explosion but otherwise he struggles. We have seen what he can do and it's not much.

6 carries is not seeing what someone can do.

 

[Nightman]

6 carries is not seeing what someone can do.

7 seasons is enough

 

[JIGGYFLY]

9 out of his 16 carries were for 3 yards or less. Some of those runs, if he had better balance or strength, could have gone for few more yards. This is concerning since Gints defense isn't very good and they had a UDFA rookie at MLB and a rookie at Safety playing in their first NFL game.

He gets tackled easily and is not good in small space. If you look at all of his runs last years , you'll see the same thing. Where he is very good is when he has room to wiggle and move laterally to juke a defender. He has very quick lateral moves.

When watching coaches film, when there is a small hole, he hesitates to hit it. I'm not sure why. Maybe he is not used to doing it..

Regardless, if he is going to be our main back, 57% of his runs can't be 3 yards or less if we want to run the same style of offense as last year.

It's going to be even harder going against better defenses and without Dez on the field.

Can you tell us what percentage of Demarco's runs were 3 yards or less?

People keep forgetting how many times Demarco was stuffed for short yardage especially over the last 4 games.

He averaged right at 3 yards a carry over those last 3 games.

 

[mahoneybill]

If things change in regard to his patience and vision, it will come after years of waiting, because he never improved in those areas in Oakland either. That being said, if what he needs is to be a little more comfortable, I am all for it. I would love to see him knifing through defenses. I just don't expect it.

Thanks for the input. Never watched him, and hope my observation is right is that its just a matter of his getting comfortable because he has the jets and size we need.

 

[HoustonSucks]

7:24 Randle bounces off RT: Randle sees nothing inside, so bounces outside and is up-ended by Rogers-Cromartie. This is one Murray might have housed, but Cromartie was coming in like a missile

After this, the Cowboys throw the ball six straight times inside the redzone and settle for a FG.

Personally, I find this most concerning. The question is WHY. Do they not trust their running game in the redzone this year?

 

[burmafrd]

Personally, I find this most concerning. The question is WHY. Do they not trust their running game in the redzone this year?

don't think they really trust any of the current RBs in the red zone yet.

 

[mattjames2010]

I've seen it come up a couple of times now, not just in this thread, that Randle isn't going to get the big play. He's way more of a home run threat than Murray ever was or will be.

He's got 2 TD runs of 40+ yards in his career. DeMarco Murray has 1, against the Rams as a rookie.

Oh, you mean when Murray beat down the Jags and Commanders defense?

Yeah, our bruiser is no longer here. Talk to me when Randle is breaking long ones while getting as many carries he had the other night.

Putting things into context is nice.

 

[Future]

Oh, you mean when Murray beat down the Jags and Commanders defense?

Yeah, our bruiser is no longer here. Talk to me when Randle is breaking long ones while getting as many carries he had the other night.

Putting things into context is nice.

This is a silly line of thinking.

Your chances of breaking a long one go up, not down, with more carries.

 

[mattjames2010]

This is a silly line of thinking.

Your chances of breaking a long one go up, not down, with more carries.

I think your chances go sky high when you relieve the starting RB in the final game of the regular season when you are blowing out a divisional rival who isn't making the playoffs anyways. The Commanders were ready for the offseason at that point. His impressive run came against the Seahawks at 38 yards. But again, all of this as a change of pace back. Remember Felix Jones?

Again, get back to me when he's making these long runs while taking the bulk of the carries.

 

[Redball Express]

I've seen it come up a couple of times now, not just in this thread, that Randle isn't going to get the big play. He's way more of a home run threat than Murray ever was or will be.

He's got 2 TD runs of 40+ yards in his career. DeMarco Murray has 1, against the Rams as a rookie.

It's way to early to know anything about the running game.

Our turnovers for scores ruined any game plan having to play catchup.

Let's see what happens against Philly.

I suspect alot more of what we saw..

more ball control passing with the TES and RB'S and more bubble screens.

We are going to have to keep the Iggles offense on the sidelines as much as possible.

 

[JD_KaPow]

9 out of his 16 carries were for 3 yards or less. Some of those runs, if he had better balance or strength, could have gone for few more yards. This is concerning since Gints defense isn't very good and they had a UDFA rookie at MLB and a rookie at Safety playing in their first NFL game.

He gets tackled easily and is not good in small space. If you look at all of his runs last years , you'll see the same thing. Where he is very good is when he has room to wiggle and move laterally to juke a defender. He has very quick lateral moves.

When watching coaches film, when there is a small hole, he hesitates to hit it. I'm not sure why. Maybe he is not used to doing it..

Regardless, if he is going to be our main back, 57% of his runs can't be 3 yards or less if we want to run the same style of offense as last year.

It's going to be even harder going against better defenses and without Dez on the field.

More than half of Murray's carries last year went for 3 yards or less. That's very typical. For running backs, the average ypc will always be higher than the median ypc, because you can't gain (much) less than zero (despite Murray's run for -12 last night), but you can go for very long runs. I don't know, but I doubt there are any RBs out there who go for more than 3 yards on over half their runs. Maybe Forsett did it last year, not sure.

Edit: Nope. Forsett didn't come close. 101 with >=4, 132 <=3. Charles didn't, Miller didn't. That's the guys with 5+ ypc for the season. Bell didn't do it either.

 

[Zman5]

More than half of Murray's carries last year went for 3 yards or less. That's very typical. For running backs, the average ypc will always be higher than the median ypc, because you can't gain (much) less than zero (despite Murray's run for -12 last night), but you can go for very long runs. I don't know, but I doubt there are any RBs out there who go for more than 3 yards on over half their runs. Maybe Forsett did it last year, not sure.

Edit: Nope. Forsett didn't come close. 101 with >=4, 132 <=3. Charles didn't, Miller didn't. That's the guys with 5+ ypc for the season. Bell didn't do it either.

Do you actually have the stat about Murray last year or is it just your opinion?

Because I remember reading somewhere (maybe Sturm) that said 60% his carries were 3 yards or greater. It also said reason being is he always tend to fall forwards and gains extra yard or two after being hit.

 

[Zman5]

More than half of Murray's carries last year went for 3 yards or less. That's very typical. For running backs, the average ypc will always be higher than the median ypc, because you can't gain (much) less than zero (despite Murray's run for -12 last night), but you can go for very long runs. I don't know, but I doubt there are any RBs out there who go for more than 3 yards on over half their runs. Maybe Forsett did it last year, not sure.

Edit: Nope. Forsett didn't come close. 101 with >=4, 132 <=3. Charles didn't, Miller didn't. That's the guys with 5+ ypc for the season. Bell didn't do it either.

I just checked the stats and I did remember it correct. 59% of his carries were 3 yards or greater.

Only 48% were 3 yards or less. This includes short yardage situations where he was just trying to only get a yard or less for first down and goal line situations where he only needed 3 yards or less to score.

And if you take those situations out, only 41% of his carries went for 3 yards or less.

I'm not sure where you got your stats but it's not true that more than half of his carries were 3 yards or less last year.

 

[Zman5]

And if you want a closer comparison we can compare the first game from last year to Sunday's game.

Last year against SF, Murray had 22 carries. Of which only 7 were for 3 yards or less. That's 32% of his carries.

I would also point out SF defense that we played last year was much better than the Gints defense that we played against past Sunday. And the game against the SF was the first game our current OLine played as a unit.

I'm not trying to make this into Murray vs Randle. Only reason I'm even bringing up Murray is because of JimNabby's post.

I just feel our running game need a runner who can consistently get us 4 yards or better if we are to run the same type of offense as last year.

 

[Idgit]

More than half of Murray's carries last year went for 3 yards or less. That's very typical. For running backs, the average ypc will always be higher than the median ypc, because you can't gain (much) less than zero (despite Murray's run for -12 last night), but you can go for very long runs. I don't know, but I doubt there are any RBs out there who go for more than 3 yards on over half their runs. Maybe Forsett did it last year, not sure.

Edit: Nope. Forsett didn't come close. 101 with >=4, 132 <=3. Charles didn't, Miller didn't. That's the guys with 5+ ypc for the season. Bell didn't do it either.

We had a long thread in the offseason about how rare the outlier positive runs really are in an NFL game (rare enough that they can get effectively swamped statistically by a team capable of making big plays in the passing game) and how that might tie into running effectiveness not correlating very strongly at all with winning football games.

For the most part, you need to block and guys to hit the right holes to get you what's blocked so that you can stay in effective passing situations as much as possible. That, and short yardage, is what the rushing game is for. Other than that, your RBs need to pass protect (because that's where teams actually win or lose games) and they need to hold onto the ball when they carry it (for the same high-correlating reason).

It's pretty simple, really. It's also the reason we don't need to worry much about our RBs as long as they can hold up in protection and contribute big plays in the passing game in their own right. Both of which they actually did a good job of on Sunday. Which, in turn, is how we overcame the huge turnover deficit.

 

[WarDaddy]

Randle, in my opinion, will be at his best getting some of the types of carries he got last year. He has enough speed and packs enough of a punch to break the kind of arm tackles that brought him down during the first half of this last game. The issue appears to me to be that he's just not a starter. Randle should be the guy to run the ball between the 20s like Julius Jones was about 10 years ago.

I think when Michael is up to speed with the offense he should start. He will be the guy that will get us our dirty yards but he has the potential to be more. He should run the ball in the red zone and in short yardage. He has quickness, adequate speed, and more power than any other back on our roster. If the coaches trust him going forward he could be our next Murray or Marion Barber type but NOT "the guy". He shouldn't do it alone.

Where I think we went wrong with Barber and sometimes with Murray last year is we fell in love with the productivity and disregarded the fact that some runs would have been more effective if the back had fresh legs. What I hope this year brings is the awareness that Joe Randle would probably be more effective on carry #5 than Murray was on carry #15. If we balance this thing out we could see a situation where Randle maintains his average per carry from last year, McFadden does some ridiculous number above 5ypc and Michael gives us what Murray did last year. The difference will be each back would have far less carries. I don't know about y'all but I'm excited.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Obviously there were no runs in the 4th Quarter.

Here is my take. Randle is still learning and acclimating himself. He is never going to be a home run guy, but he is going to fight for every yard and I believe as the season goes on, he will progress and show why the coaches like him so much. It never looked like a lack of speed, agility or strength stopped him, it looked like indecisiveness.

I will also say, the coaches really need to mix the runs up more. I don't know if they don't have faith in Randle to run between the tackles or what, but the Giants were flying off the edges the whole game.

I'll also say, this wasn't the best game all around for the interior guys and the wing blockers left a lot to be desired. All in all, after review I am not worried at all about Randle or the run game. I think the RBBC actually hurt them in this game, as McFadden didn't look good at all and looked particularly uncomfortable when needing to be decisive.

Very nice. Thank you.

It would seem that next to Murray we saw some homerun ability.

Not anymore?
Because of DMC?

 

[jrumann59]

Which means what????

He has to be part of a RBBC. Nothing is going to get discovered this year.

Our running game with be up and down and not a particular strength. None of them do anything great.

The sampling on him as a starter is just a tick above a rookie starting his first game.