Josh Howard trade rumors

[DasTex]

Has Butler played well this year?

What about Deshawn Stevenson? Will he contribute anything?

If this trade jolts the Mavs and they get Beaubois going they could make a run at the Lakers.

Stevenson has been terrible. Has the worst shooting % in the league this year. He can still play some D, as long as he isn't calling out Lebron again!!

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Its a done deal man, (pending league aprroval) this move definately makes the mavs the 2nd best team in the west.

Im just as excited about Haywood as I am Butler. Our defense should be greatly improved.

I still think the Nuggets are the best team in the West. They pretty much own the Lakers.

Nuggets vs Cavs in the finals.

Cavs win in 6.

 

[CATCH17]

I still think the Nuggets are the best team in the West. They pretty much own the Lakers.

Nuggets vs Cavs in the finals.

Cavs win in 6.

Nuggets vs Mavs would probably go 7 games but we got a much better chance with Haywood now.

Just wish we couldve kept Gooden somehow but Dirks got some toys to play with and come May Roddy B may be ready to do his thing

Dallas looks great on paper right now.

 

[DFWJC]

On paper, I agree...this team could do some damage now.
Butler is an upgrade over an injured Howard too. I liked us with Howard, but that never seemed to happen. Haywood and Butler will help. Butler may even start.

 

[kev8822]

I still think the Nuggets are the best team in the West. They pretty much own the Lakers.

Nuggets vs Cavs in the finals.

Cavs win in 6.

LMAO, you just put the jinx on both of the teams.

 

[MC KAos]

mavs abused the wiz on this trade

 

[silverbear]

Its a done deal man, (pending league aprroval) this move definately makes the mavs the 2nd best team in the west.

Im just as excited about Haywood as I am Butler. Our defense should be greatly improved.

As a long-time Wizards fan, I have to try to temper your enthusiasm a bit... Butler is an underrated defensive performer (not great, but he works at it), but Haywood is vastly overrated defensively...

He has improved somewhat as a rebounding force this year, but he offers next to nothing offensively... and while he averages 2 blocked shots a game, he's not really a force as a shot blocker... the blocks he gets basically come to him... he's not particularly active defensively, he just kind of stands around...

Don't misunderstand me, I think the Mavs have improved themselves with this deal, and I hope that Brendan and Caron get to make an extended playoff appearance... but I've been hearing all day about how Haywood is "one of the better defensive centers in the NBA" (more ESPN hype), and all I can say is I watch the Wizards every chance I get, and I haven't seen it...

And for the Wiz, the rebuilding begins... don't be surprised to see Jamison traded in the next day or two, my guess would be to the Cavs for Ilgauskas (another expiring contract), and perhaps JJ Hickson, who they reportedly like a lot... and I have read that the team is looking to break up the remaining nucleus of Andray Blatche, Javale McGee, Nick Young and Dominic McGuire too... they reportedly offered Blatche to Charlotte for DJ Augustin, and were rejected... but surprisingly enough, despite the conventional wisdom, I'm reading that they may not void Gilbert Arenas' contract... I can't believe it, but that's what they're saying...

This likely means the Wizards will continue to struggle this year, which means a lottery pick... if they can FINALLY get lucky in the lottery, that might mean a John Wall at point guard, or an Evan Turner at big guard/small forward... and they'll be well positioned cap-wise to pursue a name free agent in the offseason-- Dwayne Wade (unlikely, but I can dream), Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, perhaps even Dirk Nowitzki could be on their wish list... I like Nowitzki best of all after Wade from a pure talent standpoint, but the others are considerably younger...

If they stick with Arenas, then Wade or Johnson would make less sense...

 

[silverbear]

Has Butler played well this year?

Not as well as he has in the past... word is that he and Arenas really don't like each other, so that may have had something to do with it...

What about Deshawn Stevenson? Will he contribute anything?

If the Mavs limit his role to defensive stopper coming off the bench late in the game... that's about all he has to offer any more, but he's not bad defending on the perimeter...

Speaking of which, I've read that Ross and Singleton are good perimeter defenders, can any of you Mavs fans give me a take on that?? I'm wondering if they might not be cut quickly by the Wizards...

 

[silverbear]

mavs abused the wiz on this trade

Which shows that you don't know what this trade was all about...

The Wizards got EXACTLY what they wanted... they have decided to blow it all up and start all over again, so they dumped some salary and got a bunch of contracts that expire at the end of this year... so they've gone from an underachieving team that was well over the luxury tax cap, to a team that will have a whole bunch of cap room this coming offseason (when there is perhaps the greatest crop of free agents to ever come available)...

If the Wizards were to void Gilbert Arenas' contract now-- they might, they might not-- they could conceivably go into this offseason with just five contracts on the books-- Javale McGee, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Dominic McGuire and Randy Foye... and as I posted earlier in this thread, all of those five except Foye are on the trading block at the moment... those five combined will only count 13-13.5 million against the cap next year... or if they kept Arenas, that would be six contracts, and about 31 million in cap commitment...

Now, let this Wizards fan play armchair GM for a minute... say the Wizards do keep Arenas (that seems to be the way this is going), and they do trade for Ilgauskas... the players on their roster with expiring contracts who I might attempt to re-sign would be tiny Earl Boykins, who made 1.1 mil this year, and Gooden, who made 4.5 million this year... those two could probably be had for around 6.5-7 million combined, bringing the Wizards' salary structure to 37-38 million... I wouldn't mind keeping Ilgauskas or Mike Miller too, but I have a hunch the cost-cutting Wiz wouldn't want to pay them what the market will...

So, with the luxury tax projected to be around 65 million next year, Washington would have over 25 million to play with if they kept Arenas, and around 42.5 million if they don't... that would be enough to aggressively pursue one top free agent with Gil, two without him... and a lottery pick this year... in that scenario, the rebuilding process might be unsually quick, no more than a year or two...

 

[MC KAos]

Which shows that you don't know what this trade was all about...

The Wizards got EXACTLY what they wanted... they have decided to blow it all up and start all over again, so they dumped some salary and got a bunch of contracts that expire at the end of this year... so they've gone from an underachieving team that was well over the luxury tax cap, to a team that will have a whole bunch of cap room this coming offseason (when there is perhaps the greatest crop of free agents to ever come available)...

If the Wizards were to void Gilbert Arenas' contract now-- they might, they might not-- they could conceivably go into this offseason with just five contracts on the books-- Javale McGee, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Dominic McGuire and Randy Foye... and as I posted earlier in this thread, all of those five except Foye are on the trading block at the moment... those five combined will only count 13-13.5 million against the cap next year... or if they kept Arenas, that would be six contracts, and about 31 million in cap commitment...

Now, let this Wizards fan play armchair GM for a minute... say the Wizards do keep Arenas (that seems to be the way this is going), and they do trade for Ilgauskas... the players on their roster with expiring contracts who I might attempt to re-sign would be tiny Earl Boykins, who made 1.1 mil this year, and Gooden, who made 4.5 million this year... those two could probably be had for around 6.5-7 million combined, bringing the Wizards' salary structure to 37-38 million... I wouldn't mind keeping Ilgauskas or Mike Miller too, but I have a hunch the cost-cutting Wiz wouldn't want to pay them what the market will...

So, with the luxury tax projected to be around 65 million next year, Washington would have over 25 million to play with if they kept Arenas, and around 42.5 million if they don't... that would be enough to aggressively pursue one top free agent with Gil, two without him... and a lottery pick this year... in that scenario, the rebuilding process might be unsually quick, no more than a year or two...

talent wise, the mavs abused the wizards in this trade. josh howard is good but he is always hurt, and drew gooden, well, there is a reason he has played with almost half of the teams in the league. It will be good for the wiz to get their salary number down though, and i hope they are able to get rid of arenas and rebuild in the draft

 

[CATCH17]

talent wise, the mavs abused the wizards in this trade. josh howard is good but he is always hurt, and drew gooden, well, there is a reason he has played with almost half of the teams in the league. It will be good for the wiz to get their salary number down though, and i hope they are able to get rid of arenas and rebuild in the draft

Gooden has played fantastic ball this year and I hope Dallas gets him back next year.

I've never been a fan of his but he earned my respect this season.

 

[Biggems]

well i dont watch the wizards....but i do know that when they play the Spurs, Butler goes off. so, from what I have seen, he was a great addition to the Mavs. He is the kind of player that would fit the Spurs system, since he does sell out to play defense.

 

[Biggems]

As a long-time Wizards fan, I have to try to temper your enthusiasm a bit... Butler is an underrated defensive performer (not great, but he works at it), but Haywood is vastly overrated defensively...

He has improved somewhat as a rebounding force this year, but he offers next to nothing offensively... and while he averages 2 blocked shots a game, he's not really a force as a shot blocker... the blocks he gets basically come to him... he's not particularly active defensively, he just kind of stands around...

Don't misunderstand me, I think the Mavs have improved themselves with this deal, and I hope that Brendan and Caron get to make an extended playoff appearance... but I've been hearing all day about how Haywood is "one of the better defensive centers in the NBA" (more ESPN hype), and all I can say is I watch the Wizards every chance I get, and I haven't seen it...

And for the Wiz, the rebuilding begins... don't be surprised to see Jamison traded in the next day or two, my guess would be to the Cavs for Ilgauskas (another expiring contract), and perhaps JJ Hickson, who they reportedly like a lot... and I have read that the team is looking to break up the remaining nucleus of Andray Blatche, Javale McGee, Nick Young and Dominic McGuire too... they reportedly offered Blatche to Charlotte for DJ Augustin, and were rejected... but surprisingly enough, despite the conventional wisdom, I'm reading that they may not void Gilbert Arenas' contract... I can't believe it, but that's what they're saying...

This likely means the Wizards will continue to struggle this year, which means a lottery pick... if they can FINALLY get lucky in the lottery, that might mean a John Wall at point guard, or an Evan Turner at big guard/small forward... and they'll be well positioned cap-wise to pursue a name free agent in the offseason-- Dwayne Wade (unlikely, but I can dream), Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, perhaps even Dirk Nowitzki could be on their wish list... I like Nowitzki best of all after Wade from a pure talent standpoint, but the others are considerably younger...

If they stick with Arenas, then Wade or Johnson would make less sense...

what about Jamison?

 

[Biggems]

talent wise, the mavs abused the wizards in this trade. josh howard is good but he is always hurt, and drew gooden, well, there is a reason he has played with almost half of the teams in the league. It will be good for the wiz to get their salary number down though, and i hope they are able to get rid of arenas and rebuild in the draft

I wish the Wizards would go back to being the Bullets and their red/white/blue uniforms

 

[CATCH17]

Hey Silver, or anyone else, I heard the Wizards may buyout Goodens contract?

Have you heard anything about this?

 

[DFWJC]

Great trade for Dallas under the current circumstances. The Mavs needed help at Center (Gooden is not a center) and with Josh's health issues, Butler should be a big help.
I think the Mavs just made a slight jump....so good news!

 

[DasTex]

Which shows that you don't know what this trade was all about...

The Wizards got EXACTLY what they wanted... they have decided to blow it all up and start all over again, so they dumped some salary and got a bunch of contracts that expire at the end of this year... so they've gone from an underachieving team that was well over the luxury tax cap, to a team that will have a whole bunch of cap room this coming offseason (when there is perhaps the greatest crop of free agents to ever come available)...

If the Wizards were to void Gilbert Arenas' contract now-- they might, they might not-- they could conceivably go into this offseason with just five contracts on the books-- Javale McGee, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Dominic McGuire and Randy Foye... and as I posted earlier in this thread, all of those five except Foye are on the trading block at the moment... those five combined will only count 13-13.5 million against the cap next year... or if they kept Arenas, that would be six contracts, and about 31 million in cap commitment...

Now, let this Wizards fan play armchair GM for a minute... say the Wizards do keep Arenas (that seems to be the way this is going), and they do trade for Ilgauskas... the players on their roster with expiring contracts who I might attempt to re-sign would be tiny Earl Boykins, who made 1.1 mil this year, and Gooden, who made 4.5 million this year... those two could probably be had for around 6.5-7 million combined, bringing the Wizards' salary structure to 37-38 million... I wouldn't mind keeping Ilgauskas or Mike Miller too, but I have a hunch the cost-cutting Wiz wouldn't want to pay them what the market will...

So, with the luxury tax projected to be around 65 million next year, Washington would have over 25 million to play with if they kept Arenas, and around 42.5 million if they don't... that would be enough to aggressively pursue one top free agent with Gil, two without him... and a lottery pick this year... in that scenario, the rebuilding process might be unsually quick, no more than a year or two...

The problem with the idea of adding a top FA is it's still Washington and not a top destination for top FA. They can't just overpay, due to the salary structure in the NBA.

Teams able to add max deals next year will be plenty, so if anything, this just saves $$$ for Washington ownership.

The Mavs did win this trade hands down. Money wise and Talent wise. This move doesn't keep them out of this summers FA class due to not having to add Damp (DUST chip) in the deal.

 

[fan62]

does anyone think this gives the Mavs a legit shot at a title? I hate Basketball, but do look at the standings ever once in a while.
Been a while since I watched a game, but I don't think Dirk gives the chance at a title, unless Cuban gets a bigger star than Dirk.

 

[CATCH17]

does anyone think this gives the Mavs a legit shot at a title? I hate Basketball, but do look at the standings ever once in a while.
Been a while since I watched a game, but I don't think Dirk gives the chance at a title, unless Cuban gets a bigger star than Dirk.

Dirks a top 5 NBA player and should already have an NBA title without ref screwage.

So you give Dirk this many weapons on a team than yes the Mavs do have a shot at an NBA title. Especially if Kobe can't get healthy.

I heard the Lakers may try and get Hienrich or Devin Harris. If they get Harris they will be almost impossible to defend.

 

[DFWJC]

does anyone think this gives the Mavs a legit shot at a title? I hate Basketball, but do look at the standings ever once in a while.
Been a while since I watched a game, but I don't think Dirk gives the chance at a title, unless Cuban gets a bigger star than Dirk.

I still think the Lakers are the team to beat in the West, but now the Mavs (along with Denver) can make it intertesting. Obvioulsy, if they could get past LA, they can get past anyone...but that's a big IF that just got a bit smaller.

The last person you could ever lay any sort of Mavs failure on is Dirk.
Unless you think every team can have a Kobe or Lebron (and maye 2-3 others), it just does not get much better than Dirk.