Josh McCown: I've spoke to Brown about trade talk

[jazzcat22]

why do we want a 37 year old qb? do he and romo share the same walker or something?

They can talk retirement while in the hot tubs. Just a guess, or maybe they can talk how they will shock the NFL and win a SB in spite of the hate.

 

[Iron_Man]

In the last 13 years they finished dead last in their division 11 times with only 1 winning season in 2007. Since then their record is 37-91 an awful 29% winning rate. They have been in rebuild mode for many, many years.

Browns are in a rebuilding mode on a yearly basis, McCown is not a starter, but he was solid when he was in the backup roll for a better than average team.

 

[Reality]

A vet getting cut might be good fiscally, but that is it. Last year should have made it very clear a vet coming in late in preseason or after the season begins is not going to work. Our coaching staff is not equipped to trust them nor get them at a level they need to be without a training camp. If they do not get one soon, they need to sleep in the bed they made.

I absolutely agree. While they *might* find a sufficient veteran quarterback after final preseason cuts, they will be in chase mode all season when it comes to the playbook and offensive scheme. I am tired of hearing mid-season the reporters and announcers saying things like, "the Cowboys are using a scaled down offense for <insert_quarterback_name_here>". For a change, we need to go into a season with solid and feasible contingency plans in place rather than a "hope nothing happens to Romo, but if something does, and it's only 1-2 games, we'll be okay with this guy" approach.

 

[LocimusPrime]

If the Browns trade McCown, wouldn't they be putting themselves in the same situation Dallas is in right now?...

Yes, but the Browns are used to being in those kinds of situations lol lol.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I absolutely agree. While they *might* find a sufficient veteran quarterback after final preseason cuts, they will be in chase mode all season when it comes to the playbook and offensive scheme. I am tired of hearing mid-season the reporters and announcers saying things like, "the Cowboys are using a scaled down offense for <insert_quarterback_name_here>". For a change, we need to go into a season with solid and feasible contingency plans in place rather than a "hope nothing happens to Romo, but if something does, and it's only 1-2 games, we'll be okay with this guy" approach.

So are you good with picks and a player to get someone in here or roll the dice with a Vick/Freeman type?

 

[Idgit]

Well, they'd still have Austin Davis and Kessler.

I'm surprised Davis hasn't stuck somewhere quietly as a backup already. He's youngish, has starts, and seems like the kind of player you'd want in that position if you could let him stay there 3-4 years and just know the playbook cold. I'd consider him about the same way I was considering Moore, frankly. Then develop a more physically talented player behind at your leisure if you can.

I get the Browns preferring McKown to him for last year and this one, but at 37, the guy's going to go sometime. I'd be tempted to keep the younger player and consider that position held for a few years. Especially if I could get a 6th rounder or so for my old veteran.

 

[Reality]

Vick is too old just like McCown. If we're going old, I'd be okay with McCown, but I don't think we should go old. I've never been a fan of Freeman and given his team hopping, not sure I would change my mind.

I really like Prescott, but he's too raw right now and while we may see flashes from him, flashes won't win games week after week. When he's had time to learn the system, transition fully to being used to playing right behind center (he's worked hard on this already, but no game situations yet with the defense wanting to hurt you), and get used to running a pro style offense, I think there's a good chance he becomes a solid quarterback in the NFL. However, we need a veteran quarterback who has a little mobility in him (not running QB, just mobility) to backup Romo.

 

[Reality]

I'm surprised Davis hasn't stuck somewhere quietly as a backup already. He's youngish, has starts, and seems like the kind of player you'd want in that position if you could let him stay there 3-4 years and just know the playbook cold. I'd consider him about the same way I was considering Moore, frankly. Then develop a more physically talented player behind at your leisure if you can.

I get the Browns preferring McKown to him for last year and this one, but at 37, the guy's going to go sometime. I'd be tempted to keep the younger player and consider that position held for a few years. Especially if I could get a 6th rounder or so for my old veteran.

I would take Austin Davis in a heartbeat. I would love for him to be our backup quarterback.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'm surprised Davis hasn't stuck somewhere quietly as a backup already. He's youngish, has starts, and seems like the kind of player you'd want in that position if you could let him stay there 3-4 years and just know the playbook cold. I'd consider him about the same way I was considering Moore, frankly. Then develop a more physically talented player behind at your leisure if you can.

I get the Browns preferring McKown to him for last year and this one, but at 37, the guy's going to go sometime. I'd be tempted to keep the younger player and consider that position held for a few years. Especially if I could get a 6th rounder or so for my old veteran.

Davis though doesn't throw lollipops and he has more experience from what I remember.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Vick is too old just like McCown. If we're going old, I'd be okay with McCown, but I don't think we should go old. I've never been a fan of Freeman and given his team hopping, not sure I would change my mind.

I really like Prescott, but he's too raw right now and while we may see flashes from him, flashes won't win games week after week. When he's had time to learn the system, transition fully to being used to playing right behind center (he's worked hard on this already, but no game situations yet with the defense wanting to hurt you), and get used to running a pro style offense, I think there's a good chance he becomes a solid quarterback in the NFL. However, we need a veteran quarterback who has a little mobility in him (not running QB, just mobility) to backup Romo.

So it sounds like your in favor of a deal. I just can't see the value in giving up a player or a pick at this stage of the season. You mentioned your tired of hearing the announcers say the team has had to dial down the playbook and I get that but for me if they want to trade another draft pick for a QB they should have held onto Cassell. I guess when it comes down to it the only thing I really want is for Romo to stay healthy.

 

[Reality]

So it sounds like your in favor of a deal. I just can't see the value in giving up a player or a pick at this stage of the season. You mentioned your tired of hearing the announcers say the team has had to dial down the playbook and I get that but for me if they want to trade another draft pick for a QB they should have held onto Cassell. I guess when it comes down to it the only thing I really want is for Romo to stay healthy.

I'm in favor a good deal, not a desperate deal. While I would like Glennon or Davis to end up here, I wouldn't want to give away high picks for either of them.

 

[jnday]

i'd just as soon gimp on by. romo goes, let dak learn and lets see what he's got. may not be fair, but life never has been. need to see what the kid has.

I know Dak well from his college days and he can not make his reads fast enough or deliver the ball accurate enough to even be a backup at this point of his career. I think they may ruin his chance of ever developing if he is thrown in there to carry the team. At best, he may stay on the team as a backup in the years to come, but he may not even reach that if his confidence is destroyed. It has happened to much better prospects than him.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Id just stick with Showers and Dak. See what we have there first. Let them get all snaps in the first 2 preseason games.

 

[bsbellomy]

neither would we with mccown.

How much have you watched McCown play in the last two years? My guess is none. He at least gives us a shot to win a couple games if we need a short term solution.

 

[dogunwo]

A vet getting cut might be good fiscally, but that is it. Last year should have made it very clear a vet coming in late in preseason or after the season begins is not going to work. Our coaching staff is not equipped to trust them nor get them at a level they need to be without a training camp. If they do not get one soon, they need to sleep in the bed they made.

Do you think that the loss of a mid round pick is going to be worth however far behind McClown/Davis would be if we waited for him to be cut?

 

[theebs]

The only upside to waiting for a vet to get cut is we are 4th in the waiver line.

Although San Diego already beat us to one veteran being cut and taking him before we could.

 

[boysfanindc]

If the Browns trade McCown, wouldn't they be putting themselves in the same situation Dallas is in right now?...

Yes but RG3 never gets injured.

 

[DandyDon52]

I'm in favor a good deal, not a desperate deal. While I would like Glennon or Davis to end up here, I wouldn't want to give away high picks for either of them.

Well your basically wanting a younger "bkup starter", so if you want that, your going to have to pay good to get good.
I agree, get a younger bkup who could start on other teams, and has some experience, and then keep them for a few years.

I like luke McCowan, he hasnt seen much playing time behind brees, but I saw him last year, and he looked pretty good.

I think there are 2 types, of bkup qb's, some who can actually play like a starter (bkup starter) and win some games, and some who just can play ok, and may win a few, maybe not any.

I think the orton deal affected the cowboys in a bad way, he was a bkup starter, and they paid more, but he never had to play
until the one last game in 2013, and he lost, but back then jason liked to throw 40 times a game, this was before
he switched to be a balanced or run heavy coach.
So now with the run game we have, a good bkup starter could carry on and win games.
Buerlien was also a bkup starter.

So we need a younger guy, with some mobility, and who is good enough to start somewhere, but willing to take a bkup role here.
We would have to pay to have this , but if tony is hurt then it would pay off.

 

[ccb04]

If the Browns trade McCown, wouldn't they be putting themselves in the same situation Dallas is in right now?...

They also have Austin Davis who has played well in the league...and Jackson drafted Kessler whom he seems to like quite a bit. Would say it's unlikely they carry 4 QB's regardless. Injury could put them in a similar situation to the Boys though.

 

[Alexander]

Do you think that the loss of a mid round pick is going to be worth however far behind McClown/Davis would be if we waited for him to be cut?

I think based off last year's debacle, yes. That said I am not endorsing it.

If they want one, do it now or just own the fact they blew it.