Joyner: Shockey most overrated TE

[BouncingCheese]

Shockey may be overrated in terms of production, but if he had a competent qb back there who PASSED to him this guy would have 900 yards and 8 td's every year. He is underrated in that category.

Sorry homers, that is the truth.. this guy is a mega talent though I hate to admit it.

Cooley is a great player; though he sounds like a little girl. Very underrated IMO

 

[theogt]

Chris Cooley
Cooley is already considered by many to be one of the top 10 tight ends in the NFL, but the metrics indicate he deserves even more praise. Cooley posted the fourth-best overall YPA among tight ends. He had the sixth-best medium pass YPA and the best short pass YPA. His YPA when flexed out (10.8) was easily the highest in the NFL. That he was able to put up these numbers, despite the struggles of the Commanders' quarterbacks last year, speaks volumes about his ability.

Could that be because he's an H-back that catches dump offs out of the backfield?

Desmond Clark
Last year, Rex Grossman claimed Clark was his go-to receiver, and the metrics show why. He ranked third in YPA, finishing ahead of players such as Cooley and Jason Witten. Clark's numbers were not skewed by a smaller number of attempts:

In addition to his impressive overall numbers, Clark also ranked fourth in both medium and deep pass YPA. If he puts up similar numbers in 2007, he should receive a lot of votes for the Pro Bowl.

This is the guy that's truly underrated.

 

[31Rwilliams]

I think cooley is underrated also but jason witten is better than all of them

 

[BouncingCheese]

Could that be because he's an H-back that catches dump offs out of the backfield?


This is the guy that's truly underrated.

Desmond Clark is gone in a few years though; Ben Olsen is as talented as Shockey but up to this point he doesn't seem like the head case Shockey is.

 

[TEK2000]

He needs to factor in a lot more than just Yards Per Attempt to rank players. I think he's just looking at 1 stat category and then basing a judgement of a player on that alone.
Throw in % of receptions that are first downs.
Yards after catch.
etc. etc. THEN form an opinion.

That's like comparing CB's based only on Interception #'s.

 

[TEK2000]

Cooley is a quality TE/H-back or whatever you want to call it. He, like Witten and all the other elite TE's, presents matchup problems for the defense. He's athletic enough to beat LBers and big enough to overpower Safeties.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It's about time Cooley gets some recognition. He is without a doubt one of the top 5 or 6 TEs in the league.

Averages over the last two seasons:

Gates: 80 catches, 1012 yards, 9.5 TD
Gonzalez: 75 catches, 902 yards, 3.5 TD
Heap: 74 catches, 810 yards, 6.5 TD
Shockey: 65 catches, 757 yards, 7 TD
Cooley: 64 catches, 754 yards , 6.5 TD
Witten: 65 catches, 755 yards, 3.5 TD
Crumpler: 60 catches, 828 yards, 6.5 TD

There is more to judging a TE than catches, yards and TD's. For example look at Furrey in Detroit last year. Do you think he was the best WR in the NFC last year?

 

[theogt]

Cooley is a quality TE/H-back or whatever you want to call it. He, like Witten and all the other elite TE's, presents matchup problems for the defense. He's athletic enough to beat LBers and big enough to overpower Safeties.

I certainly wasn't dissing him. He's good. But he's an H-back, which explains his short numbers.

There is more to judging a TE than catches, yards and TD's. For example look at Furrey in Detroit last year. Do you think he was the best WR in the NFC last year?

Why would anyone think that?

 

[the kid 05]

It's about time Cooley gets some recognition. He is without a doubt one of the top 5 or 6 TEs in the league.

Averages over the last two seasons:

Gates: 80 catches, 1012 yards, 9.5 TD
Gonzalez: 75 catches, 902 yards, 3.5 TD
Heap: 74 catches, 810 yards, 6.5 TD
Shockey: 65 catches, 757 yards, 7 TD
Cooley: 64 catches, 754 yards , 6.5 TD
Witten: 65 catches, 755 yards, 3.5 TD
Crumpler: 60 catches, 828 yards, 6.5 TD

last season really hurt wittens average for tds

 

[BouncingCheese]

It's about time Cooley gets some recognition. He is without a doubt one of the top 5 or 6 TEs in the league.

Averages over the last two seasons:

Gates: 80 catches, 1012 yards, 9.5 TD
Gonzalez: 75 catches, 902 yards, 3.5 TD
Heap: 74 catches, 810 yards, 6.5 TD
Shockey: 65 catches, 757 yards, 7 TD
Cooley: 64 catches, 754 yards , 6.5 TD
Witten: 65 catches, 755 yards, 3.5 TD
Crumpler: 60 catches, 828 yards, 6.5 TD

How the **** has Heap not had any probowls in the past two years?

All he has done is make my boy Mcnair and that idiot Boller look like worldbeaters... He is going to have a huge payday next offseason

Your right, last year was terrible for Witten TD-wise... teams were covering him in the redzone with a bunch of LB's because they know how dangerous he is.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Why would anyone think that?

Dude led the NFC in receptions last year with 98. Holt had 93, Driver 92....

 

[Sarge]

how would you suggest they list him?

He's more of an H back than a TE.

 

[Chuck 54]

Chris Cooley is just as much a TE as Jay Novachek was.

 

[Green28]

How the **** has Heap not had any probowls in the past two years?

For the same reasons Cooley hasn't made it to Hawaii. Both players keep their mouths shut, score TDs, and hand the ball to the ref. Plus they play for Washington & Baltimore; not exactly Dallas & New York when it comes to national fan voting.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Seriously, if Shockey wasn't so over the top and melodramatic drawing attention to himself, I don't know if he would regarded as a Top 8-10 TE. His drops are ridiculous.

And, sorry, Cooley is a Pro Bowl caliber TE. Last year he played the same position in Saunders offense that Tony Gonzales played in KC. Witten also motions out wide and sometimes even into the backfield. Does that mean Witten isn't a TE? Or Antonio Gates? Its what TE's do these days.

 

[Hoofbite]

For the same reasons Cooley hasn't made it to Hawaii. Both players keep their mouths shut, score TDs, and hand the ball to the ref. Plus they play for Washington & Baltimore; not exactly Dallas & New York when it comes to national fan voting.

Or maybe because he plays in the same conference as Gonzo and Gates.....pretty much two locks for the PB each and every year.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Shockey talent wise is not overrated, I'd say hes a top 5 talent at TE in the league. The problem is that he's a head case, his coach doesn't give him the ball, and his QB stinks.

And his hands are shoddy, at best.

But he does an excellent job self promoting himself, and that's really half the battle when people judge how good players are based on how much Sportscenter talks about them.

 

[burmafrd]

There is not really all that much difference between Deangelo Hall and Shockey. Both over rated by pretty much everyone.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

It had to be done...

 

[Hoofbite]

It had to be done...

I swear, when I see that I cannot help but to think that he knew the miss was coming and was just hamming it up for the camera.