Julius Jones Contract

[AbeBeta]

If you can upgrade a position like RB that touches the ball 25 to 30 times a game I think you increase the ability of the offense as well as creating bigger problems for defenses. Other than QB the RB is going to handle the ball more than any other player out there. Fortunately this franchise has seen some of the best RB to play in this league and it has been a big part of the success of this franchise.

Absolutely -- since these guys get so many touches, you really need a fresh horse every few years -- few guys become that franchise back you can lean on for 10 years and even fewer get better as they hit years 5-8 (Tiki Barber is a notable exception). If you can draft a young guy ride him hard for 5 years, then you've been successful.

 

[Doomsday101]

Absolutely -- since these guys get so many touches, you really need a fresh horse every few years -- few guys become that franchise back you can lean on for 10 years and even fewer get better as they hit years 5-8 (Tiki Barber is a notable exception). If you can draft a young guy ride him hard for 5 years, then you've been successful.

I guess Dallas has just been fortuante we had Emmitt for 12 years and TD for 12 years. No doubt Dallas rode ES harder than what Landry did with Dorsett in large part because they were 2 different types of RB.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

If you can upgrade a position like RB that touches the ball 25 to 30 times a game I think you increase the ability of the offense as well as creating bigger problems for defenses. Other than QB the RB is going to handle the ball more than any other player out there. Fortunately this franchise has seen some of the best RB to play in this league and it has been a big part of the success of this franchise.

I can agree to an extent. I think you have to consider how much of an upgrade vs the cost. If Jones was a Hambrick, I would could completely agree that it is a position of need. But I do think Jones is an Above average back and one that we can win a SB with. If we stay in the two back offense with another RB, how much more would he produce than Jones does? If jones gets 1100 yds and the new back gets 1300 yds, is the 200 yds worth the extra 12 million in money you are paying?

 

[AbeBeta]

I guess Dallas has just been fortuante we had Emmitt for 12 years and TD for 12 years. No doubt Dallas rode ES harder than what Landry did with Dorsett in large part because they were 2 different types of RB.

Very fortunate. Many franchises will go forever without having even one guys of that quality. Or I guess more accurately, one guy who can play that long at that high a level.

Just another example of how spoiled Cowboy fans are.

 

[AbeBeta]

I can agree to an extent. I think you have to consider how much of an upgrade vs the cost. If Jones was a Hambrick, I would could completely agree that it is a position of need. But I do think Jones is an Above average back and one that we can win a SB with. If we stay in the two back offense with another RB, how much more would he produce than Jones does? If jones gets 1100 yds and the new back gets 1300 yds, is the 200 yds worth the extra 12 million in money you are paying?

If those extra 200 yards are on the same number of carries then hell yes it is worth it. You'd be talking the difference between a 4.0 average and a 4.7 average based on a 300 carry season.

 

[Doomsday101]

Very fortunate. Many franchises will go forever without having even one guys of that quality. Or I guess more accurately, one guy who can play that long at that high a level.

Just another example of how spoiled Cowboy fans are.

Nothing wrong with being a little spoiled and wanting the best for your team. Dallas was able to make it to a SB with Newhouse and Preston Pearson but that did not stop them from going after one of the top RB in the country in Dorsett they were not going to settle for avg. In my own opinion other than QB I think the importance of the RB position is great. These 2 players handle the ball more than anyone else.

 

[AbeBeta]

I guess Dallas has just been fortuante we had Emmitt for 12 years and TD for 12 years. No doubt Dallas rode ES harder than what Landry did with Dorsett in large part because they were 2 different types of RB.

Incorrect. The center handles the ball more than anyone else!

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Two words:

Darren McFadden

 

[Doomsday101]

I can agree to an extent. I think you have to consider how much of an upgrade vs the cost. If Jones was a Hambrick, I would could completely agree that it is a position of need. But I do think Jones is an Above average back and one that we can win a SB with. If we stay in the two back offense with another RB, how much more would he produce than Jones does? If jones gets 1100 yds and the new back gets 1300 yds, is the 200 yds worth the extra 12 million in money you are paying?

I agree Jones is better than Hambrick but is very inconsistent in his play, he will vanish weeks at a time and then have a very good game. Guys like LT or when we had ES teams had to be very concerned with them at all times. I really don't think Jones strikes much fear in any team. Just my opinion. Having said that I am pulling for Jones to have a strong year but I just don't see him in the same light as one of the great RB's and given the chance to grab an elite RB I would do it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Incorrect. The center handles the ball more than anyone else!

You are correct!!! I should have said skilled positions.

 

[Idgit]

I'm gonna say 4-5 years, 25M with 8M in guarantees.

That's the neighborhood. We'll be at a disadvantage, b/c there will likely be a team somewhere willing to sign him at a premium to what we'd like to pay and give him a larger role in the offense.

Turner will be a UFA, too, so there's a question which direction we might prefer to go. Jones is a better complement to Barber, but it sure seems like Dallas is expecting to let him walk at the end of the season. The other option is shooting for McFadden, but settling for a complementary back to Barber with the second first or the second round pick if he's not their with our first pick.

 

[AbeBeta]

That's the neighborhood. We'll be at a disadvantage, b/c there will likely be a team somewhere willing to sign him at a premium to what we'd like to pay and give him a larger role in the offense.

Turner will be a UFA, too, so there's a question which direction we might prefer to go. Jones is a better complement to Barber, but it sure seems like Dallas is expecting to let him walk at the end of the season. The other option is shooting for McFadden, but settling for a complementary back to Barber with the second first or the second round pick if he's not their with our first pick.

I'd bet Turner stay in SD -- if he doesn't know that his #s are inflated by playing behind the best RB of the decade then he's gunning for a 4 game suspension.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I'd bet Turner stay in SD -- if he doesn't know that his #s are inflated by playing behind the best RB of the decade then he's gunning for a 4 game suspension.

I would take that bet. I don't see any way that Turner stays in SD. No player wants to be a back up, regardless of talent level and given the chance to start, will take it.

 

[AbeBeta]

I would take that bet. I don't see any way that Turner stays in SD. No player wants to be a back up, regardless of talent level and given the chance to start, will take it.

Sure. He can go and be Lamont Jordan somewhere - he'd likely have about the same level of success.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Sure. He can go and be Lamont Jordan somewhere - he'd likely have about the same level of success.

Oh not arguing whether or not he should stay.. just that he won't. I doubt any player would. I agree with your seniment, that he is way over hyped, but someone is going to offer him a boat load of money to be a starter and he is going to take it.

 

[AbeBeta]

Oh not arguing whether or not he should stay.. just that he won't. I doubt any player would. I agree with your seniment, that he is way over hyped, but someone is going to offer him a boat load of money to be a starter and he is going to take it.

I'm not so sure -- nobody offered a decent package of picks for him when SD offered him up this off-season. So I think it is more fans than GMs who are hyping him

 

[Idgit]

I'm not so sure -- nobody offered a decent package of picks for him when SD offered him up this off-season. So I think it is more fans than GMs who are hyping him

I agree with all y'all about his likely production, but SD was asking for the moon. Nobody was going to pay a first and a third for a RFA with few skins on the wall.

He will leave, though, for a deal like Lamont Jordan/Chester Taylor in the offseason. Just look at the RB depth in places like Houston or Green Bay or Tennessee. Someone will take a chance on him.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I agree with all y'all about his likely production, but SD was asking for the moon. Nobody was going to pay a first and a third for a RFA with few skins on the wall.

He will leave, though, for a deal like Lamont Jordan/Chester Taylor in the offseason. Just look at the RB depth in places like Houston or Green Bay or Tennessee. Someone will take a chance on him.

I agree! I think GM's value picks more than money, especially with the Cap the way it is. I would think that GM's would give up 12 million quicker than 2 first day picks.

 

[BouncingCheese]

If JJ doesn't have 6 to 8 tds and 1200 yards on the ground we wont consider keeping him unless the contract is good for us.
Even if we don't have a chance at mcfadden there will be some player that will have a breakout year in college and Jerrah and Ireland will fall in love with.
This always happens but we lose sight of it because the draft is so far away and the real talented college players are still yet to be shown to us.