Julius Jones Running Woes...

[WoodysGirl]

I think Cowboys fans got spoiled having one of the best of all time running the ball for so long. JJ comes along and has 5 or 6 good games. He comes back down to Earth and now everyone wonders what the problem is...

Honestly, he's just an average back. I think MB is better.

The history of Cowboys running backs have made the fans spoiled. Deservedly so.

At this point, I'm not willing to classify Julius as average or anoint Barber as the next great thing. That said, they're both still unproven to me. Julius has to prove he can handle a full load for a whole season. Consistency is key, IMO. Barber has to prove he can beat out a healthy Julius. Neither has been done to this point.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think Cowboys fans got spoiled having one of the best of all time running the ball for so long. JJ comes along and has 5 or 6 good games. He comes back down to Earth and now everyone wonders what the problem is...

Honestly, he's just an average back. I think MB is better.

:jerk:

ok, MossBurned has spoken! pff, whatever dude

 

[booker]

I think Cowboys fans got spoiled having one of the best of all time running the ball for so long. JJ comes along and has 5 or 6 good games. He comes back down to Earth and now everyone wonders what the problem is...

Honestly, he's just an average back. I think MB is better.

You go ask carolina how average he is.The man has had some injury problems.Ill make you a wager right now he has more rushing yards and Tds then Portis this year.Commander fans have a one decent year and all the sudden they know all.I know I live in the DC area and have to listen to your smugness.Hasnt the last decade taught you all a little humility?

 

[America's Team]

yeah but even with julius jones 5 or 6 good games, that just shows you that behind his 70 or 80 yard games there is that running back that on any given sunday could explode, after this training camp he'll be ready, and barber will be ready to go on third downs, i predict a season of no injury's for our half backs.

 

[America's Team]

You go ask carolina how average he is.The man has had some injury problems.Ill make you a wager right now he has more rushing yards and Tds then Portis this year.Commander fans have a one decent year and all the sudden they know all.I know I live in the DC area and have to listen to your smugness.Hasnt the last decade taught you all a little humility?

preach it brotha!!

 

[Crown Royal]

I've been to training camp one time - the first year Jones was with us. I can't tell you how much I was impressed with him then. The injuries the past two seasons have been tough, but I have seen the flashes of what I saw in that first TC. If he can't pull it together this year, I will grow skeptical, but I still hold strong to what I saw then - it was something special.

 

[md2005]

Good point super punk. Also, BP has traditionally had multi # of backs on all his teams. In NE he had Martin and Meggett and in NY he had OJ and Meggit. He likes to pound multiple bodies into the defense and wear them down. IMO he believes JJ is super talented but has been snake bitten. Last year at this time I would say a large majority of the fan base though we had a star on our hands. What has happened since then

- Bad ankle injury
- Horrible injury to Flo
- Possible worst OL in history

 

[MichaelWinicki]

a large portion of the blame does fall on their shoulders though, many a times I've watched Julius get caught from the back-side pursuit, because our Olinemen members were having trouble sustaining their blocks in the 2nd level, not even in the 2nd level, LA would grab his guy and let him spin out of his grasp, plus Al lacking strength, Marco not being 100%, you factor those problems in the interior of the line, and the fact that according to the #s, Julius was horrible running in the interior, the blame has nowhere to go but on the Oline

again, they weren't the total problem, but they played a large part

It sure as hell wasn't just the oline's problem cutting off back pursuit... Campbell sucked-- just sucked. Witten wasn't much better. And Polite was awful as a lead blocker.

The oline wasn't anything to write home about but the lousy blocking by the TE's and Polite made it that much worse.

 

[burmafrd]

Most of the problem was the O line last year: when just about every play has a defender in the backfield that is all you need to know. I think after a certain point JJ was probably totally unable to have confidence that there would be any hole at all, and also just about certain that he would be dodging a LB or DL in the backfield.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

see i don't think he has at all, he pulled some great games out of his butt.

I don't think he is consistant enough and I am sorry to say he doesn't have more than a couple moves and he almost always goes the same direction.

he doesn't get past the first guy to touch him hardly ever and the times he pulls a long run out he isn't touched at all.

I am not a jujo fan

apparently........

 

[America's Team]

see i don't think he has at all, he pulled some great games out of his butt.

I don't think he is consistant enough and I am sorry to say he doesn't have more than a couple moves and he almost always goes the same direction.

he doesn't get past the first guy to touch him hardly ever and the times he pulls a long run out he isn't touched at all.

I am not a jujo fan

so your not a julius jone's fan, but also looks like your not a cowboys fan either

 

[stealth]

so your not a julius jone's fan, but also looks like your not a cowboys fan either

lol I love how when I put down one guy now I don't like the whole team...


I don't think julius jones is the real deal don't read anything else into it.

 

[DallasEast]

I think Cowboys fans got spoiled having one of the best of all time running the ball for so long. JJ comes along and has 5 or 6 good games. He comes back down to Earth and now everyone wonders what the problem is...

Honestly, he's just an average back. I think MB is better.

I think Commanders fans got spoiled having John Riggins running the ball behind the Hogs for so long. Portis comes along and has 5 or 6 good games. He comes back down to Earth and now everyone wonders what the problem is...

Honestly, he's just an average back. I think Ladell Betts is better.

 

[burmafrd]

Sometimes I think we should just reduce the clutter and ban any foreskins from posting at all. I mean, really, just how many ever have anything constructive to say at all? Of course to balance it out we would need to ban some of our more moronic posters as well. (kartr, etc).

 

[justbob]

I actually blame Purcells... he had him start doing that "two-hands on the football" nonsense as he went through the line which appeared to this layman to totally destroy JJ's timing.

I tend to agree and even said so during some games last year. COvering with 2 hands and making sure you do everything exactly like Parcells wants took
alot of the instintive runner out of JJ

 

[Crown Royal]

I have no problem with what Moss Burner said. I disagree, but I think he can make an argument for that. I don't knock his opinion on it for being a Commander fan.

And whoever made the comments about Riggins and Portis - please. Portis has had plenty of time to prove that he is a quality running back, and he has done so very well.

 

[Vintage]

Yeah, I don't see how MossBurner's comments were out of line.

You don't think we were spoiled to have Emmitt for all of those years? I think its pretty apparent we were. We have been complaining about any of our RBs since Emmitt. True, many were flat out garbage....but unless JJ gets 100 yards a game, there is always complaints about our poor running game. And that stems from the fact that Emmitt was such a consistant producer. We aren't used to having either hit or miss games with our RB's.

Now, his comments on JJ vs Barber may be wrong...but its nothing 'out of line' or even worthy of a ban.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Barber may be da Man!

I'm thinking not so much. JJ is the starter for a reason. Comon' Crazy we've been over this a million and one times this off season.

 

[DallasEast]

I have no problem with what Moss Burner said. I disagree, but I think he can make an argument for that. I don't knock his opinion on it for being a Commander fan.

And whoever made the comments about Riggins and Portis - please. Portis has had plenty of time to prove that he is a quality running back, and he has done so very well.

I mocked his comments. Jones isn't an average back. Whether he does or does not understand that Jones isn't an average back is one thing, but he chose to comment about it. And his comment deserved a sarcastic response, imo.

At this stage of his career, what separates Jones from Portis has been durability and experience, not his ability as a running back. He may not be able to overcome his propensity for sustaining injuries, but that has yet been proven as a fact. Staying on the injured list and off the field will keep him from learning how to become an even better running back; but that too will come in time. * Fingers crossed *

If anything, Jones should be judged for what he has been able to do on the field these past two seasons when he hasn't been injured. For Moss Burner's benefit, let's average what he has done in his 19 games as a starter against Portis' production in 32 games in that span:

                     [b]Rushing      [COLOR="blue"]|[/COLOR]      Receiving
		Att Yds Avg Lg TD [COLOR="blue"]|[/COLOR] Rec Yds Avg Lg TD[/b]
Julius Jones	23   94 4.0 21  1 [b][COLOR="blue"]|[/COLOR][/b]  3  16  5.0 11 0.0
Clinton Portis	22   89 3.9 18  1 [b][COLOR="Blue"]|[/COLOR][/b]  2  14  5.9  9 0.1

The numbers are, of course, skewed due to Jones's inability to stay on the field, but that's just the point. When he has been on the field, Jones has proven that he isn't just 'an average back'. If he can be described as such, Moss Burner should also state that Portis is an average back. Moss Burner can't say that of Portis and he shouldn't say that of Jones.

jmo.

 

[Mansta54]

Sometimes I think we should just reduce the clutter and ban any foreskins from posting at all. I mean, really, just how many ever have anything constructive to say at all? Of course to balance it out we would need to ban some of our more moronic posters as well. (kartr, etc).

Sounds good to me!!!!!!