Julius Jones- what's your take

[TexasAce]

Maybe that's why Barber doesn't start.

He doesn't start because Parcells HATES change, he is too superstitious.

He'd rather keep it this way because in his mind "if it ain't broke don't fix it" but the thing is, it is broke, we're leaving plays on the field because we're keeping our bst runningback off of it.

 

[burmafrd]

In YOUR opinion which means nothing to BP.

 

[superpunk]

I could never understand BPs ranting about negative plays. That usually only happens when the O line messes up- not the RBs fault. JJ in his rookie year did all sorts of moves and jukes and such- and had very few negative plays.
Why did BP want to change that? If you take the instincts out of a RB you ruin him- to me that is what BP did to JJ. He runs totally different then he did as a rookie. Those videos that so many JJ haters want to ignore show a back with speed, quickness and moves. What happened to him? There is only one answer- BP.

Clearly BP has instructed him to run weak. To go down in arm tackles. To miss holes, not get there in time. He's pounded the no negative plays into Julius' head so much, that over the past nine games before the Philly game, 35 of Jones rushes were for negative yardage - 20%.

Give me a break with this BP has ruined him stuff. He can't hit the holes, he can't break tackles, and he can't shake anyone. That back existed once, against some terrible run defenses. And if he's gone, he's got noone to blame but himself. Parcells isn't the one on the field missing opportunities, showing no wiggle and going down at the slightest gust of wind. He's been an average back. I expected more.

 

[burmafrd]

Explain how he did those moves against Carolina last year? or against several top Ds including Carolina and Philidelphia in his rookie year. YOU cannot accept that maybe BP messed him up? The same coach you guys scream about all the time for not doing other things like you want him to.
You whine about him doing things against bad run defenses. Show some proof or shut up.

 

[TexasAce]

Explain how he did those moves against Carolina last year? or against several top Ds including Carolina and Philidelphia in his rookie year. YOU cannot accept that maybe BP messed him up? The same coach you guys scream about all the time for not doing other things like you want him to.
You whine about him doing things against bad run defenses. Show some proof or shut up.

Explain why he's only had 4 games like that even though he's started somewhere around 30 for his career ?

 

[superpunk]

Explain how he did those moves against Carolina last year? or against several top Ds including Carolina and Philidelphia in his rookie year. YOU cannot accept that maybe BP messed him up? The same coach you guys scream about all the time for not doing other things like you want him to.
You whine about him doing things against bad run defenses. Show some proof or shut up.

In 04, Seattle and Chicago were the 23rd and 25th ranked rush D's. Those were his signature games, no? Against Carolina last year our blocking was so good he would have had to be blind not to put up huge yardage, but I'll give him credit, they were a good defense. He's shown he's an average back that is capable of having a nice game once in a while. He's shown lately that he's not even playing at an average level. I don't want him gone, I want him better. And I don't want anymore bull theories about Parcells ruining him. Parcells isn't the one running weak, going down easy and leaving yards on the field. And he';s not telling JJ to do that, either.

So, I'd suggest to you, if you can't show any proof that Parcells has, in fact, ruined JJ, other than your black helicopter theory, then you might want to think about not speaking any more about it. To put it nicely.

 

[burmafrd]

Lets see: Bears- good D. Seattle-playoff team good D. Giants- decent D for sure. Carolina- playoff team good D. His best four games were against good D's.

 

[burmafrd]

Chicago towards the end of 2004 was getting better at run D. Seattle as well. They were VERY bad at the beginning of the season and got better towards the end,

 

[superpunk]

Lets see: Bears- good D. Seattle-playoff team good D. Giants- decent D for sure. Carolina- playoff team good D. His best four games were against good D's.

BEars - 25th ranked rushing d
Seattle - 23rd ranked rushing D
NY Giants - 28th ranked rushing D

Woo-hoo.

 

[TexasAce]

In 04, Seattle and Chicago were the 23rd and 25th ranked rush D's. Those were his signature games, no? Against Carolina last year our blocking was so good he would have had to be blind not to put up huge yardage, but I'll give him credit, they were a good defense. He's shown he's an average back that is capable of having a nice game once in a while. He's shown lately that he's not even playing at an average level. I don't want him gone, I want him better. And I don't want anymore bull theories about Parcells ruining him. Parcells isn't the one running weak, going down easy and leaving yards on the field. And he';s not telling JJ to do that, either.

So, I'd suggest to you, if you can't show any proof that Parcells has, in fact, ruined JJ, other than your black helicopter theory, then you might want to think about not speaking any more about it. To put it nicely.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

 

[burmafrd]

Once again my point was to see where the D was at the time we played them. They were better at the end of the year. AND you really do not want to get into the O line. do you?

 

[burmafrd]

All of a sudden our O line is responsible for only the Carolina game? Interesting. One thing to remember about season stats- it depends on what time of the season; who was injured that game- who was playing well and who wasn't.

 

[Doomsday101]

Myself I think unless Dallas were to trade him Jones will be back next season. I'm a bit disappointed in that I felt he would have gained more yards but I do like the combo of him and Barber in the backfield. Neither guy is going to be a back who will get 25 to 30 carries a game over the course of 16 reg season games but together they have rushed for 1,691 (Jones 4.1 a carry and Barber 5.0 a carry) As I said I am disappointed in Jones season because I feel he can be better than what he has shown this year.

 

[AdamJT13]

He's pounded the no negative plays into Julius' head so much, that over the past nine games before the Philly game, 35 of Jones rushes were for negative yardage - 20%.

Julius hasn't had 35 runs for negative yardage all season, let alone in those nine games. He actually had 16 carries for negative yardage in those nine games, which is 11.5 percent -- slightly LESS than the NFL average.

 

[burmafrd]

makes me suspicious of the other so called stats as well.

 

[superpunk]

Once again my point was to see where the D was at the time we played them. They were better at the end of the year. AND you really do not want to get into the O line. do you?

I find it funny that the guy who demanded proof, or I should shut up, would just make stuff up like the above.

Before Seattle played us in 04, they gave up 120 yards and 4 TDs to McGahee. Before that Faulk torched them for 139 yards. After they played us Martin ran for 134 and 2 TDs against them.

The week before we played Chicago, they allowed James to run for 200 yards and a TD, and Rhodes an extra 50. The week after they allowed MIN to rush for 129 yards on 19 carries, a 6.8 yard average. Folowed by Dominick Davis getting 100 and a TD.

NY allowed 160 yards to PIT, 170 to BAL, and 211 to WAshington before playing us.

So explain, exactly, how these teams were playing so much better on run defense before Julius torched them?

 

[superpunk]

Julius hasn't had 35 runs for negative yardage all season, let alone in those nine games. He actually had 16 carries for negative yardage in those nine games, which is 11.5 percent -- slightly LESS than the NFL average.

I should have said zero or negative yardage.

 

[AdamJT13]

Explain why he's only had 4 games like that even though he's started somewhere around 30 for his career ?

Because four games like that out of 34 starts is fairly high for a young back.

LaDainian Tomlinson had four in his first 34 starts. Shaun Alexander had five in his first 34 starts. Rudi Johnson had four in his first 34 starts. Steven Jackson has had two in 33 starts. Kevin Jones has had two in 39 starts. Cadillac Williams has had three in 28 starts. Ronnie Brown has had one in 25 starts. Willis McGahee has had three in 39 starts. Willie Parker has had three in 30 starts.

 

[wileedog]

YOU cannot accept that maybe BP messed him up?

No, I can't accept that a HC who has developed multiple pro-bowl and HOF running backs managed to coach down a good RB - something I have never ever seen before with any running back.

Name one guy ever who was great in his first season then got "ruined by coaching."

 

[AdamJT13]

I should have said zero or negative yardage.

Then the answer would be 29, not 35. And again, 20.9 percent would be LESS than the NFL average this season.