Julius Jones- what's your take

[Ashwynn]

Apparently Barber must ignore Parcells when he tries to overcoach him too.

I dont think Parcells tries this with Barber. but then Barber has had few negitive plays this year at all. Hard to stop a 200lb bowling ball once it starts rolling.

 

[stealth]

trade him

 

[Yeagermeister]

Exactly. Thats what I am saying, I dont know if you can get him back to being instinctive. If you cant, you can open a hole and let him play with the LBers and corners 5 yards downfield. Hes good at that, but he cant get past the line as he is. Cause of Parcells. But even with sanders, he had negitive plays. If you want rewards, you gotta take risks. Parcells wont. A new coach might take his blinders off, if thats possible. I just dont know what to do with him now that hes screwed up. Can he be fixed or can you fix the Oline to allow him to operate effectively as he is?

I look at the hotstepper video and wonder what happened to that rb.

 

[TexasAce]

I look at the hotstepper video and wonder what happened to that rb.

I do wonder what in the world happened to the rookie JJ.

But let's be real here, how can it be overcoached ?

I have knocked Parcells coaching flaws as much as the next guy, but I just don't agree with this JJ being overcoached stuff.

How many times do we Barber start to the outside but then make a great cut inside and pick up yardage ? And what about going inside and then bouncing it outside ?

If it was a matter of being coached NOT to do this, then why does Barber continue to do it ?

Not only that, but coaching has nothing to do with JJ's inability to break many tackles, he seems to go down with the slightest bit of contact.

So let me get this straight, JJ who started off the season playing well, was not told a thing by the coaching staff, but then Parcells said to himself "JJ is doing better than I'd like him to, so I better start coaching him to just run in a straight line and fall down".....sorry bro, but I just don't buy it.

 

[AdamJT13]

For all of the criticism Julius has gotten, he's had a pretty good season overall. Out of the 30 running backs with at least 175 carries, he's 15th in yards per carry, 11th in PSR and 16th in DVOA. In the combined rankings of all three stats, he's 13th. With just a little better season -- or even better blocking -- he'd be among the top 10 backs.

 

[Ashwynn]

I do wonder what in the world happened to the rookie JJ.

But let's be real here, how can it be overcoached ?

I have knocked Parcells coaching flaws as much as the next guy, but I just don't agree with this JJ being overcoached stuff.

How many times do we Barber start to the outside but then make a great cut inside and pick up yardage ? And what about going inside and then bouncing it outside ?

If it was a matter of being coached NOT to do this, then why does Barber continue to do it ?

Not only that, but coaching has nothing to do with JJ's inability to break many tackles, he seems to go down with the slightest bit of contact.

So let me get this straight, JJ who started off the season playing well, was not told a thing by the coaching staff, but then Parcells said to himself "JJ is doing better than I'd like him to, so I better start coaching him to just run in a straight line and fall down".....sorry bro, but I just don't buy it.

I think it may have something to do with the fact Barber does not create negitive plays. Rarely will you see him brought down behind the LOS. Jones may have been taught to change his run style to negate negitive plays. I do not recall if he made many negitive plays, but I know Barber never does, thus no need to change his running style.

Just maybe, I dunno for sure, but I do know Parcells changed Jones running style and broke him and rebuilt him into the runner he wanted.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I do wonder what in the world happened to the rookie JJ.

But let's be real here, how can it be overcoached ?

I have knocked Parcells coaching flaws as much as the next guy, but I just don't agree with this JJ being overcoached stuff.

How many times do we Barber start to the outside but then make a great cut inside and pick up yardage ? And what about going inside and then bouncing it outside ?

If it was a matter of being coached NOT to do this, then why does Barber continue to do it ?

Not only that, but coaching has nothing to do with JJ's inability to break many tackles, he seems to go down with the slightest bit of contact.

So let me get this straight, JJ who started off the season playing well, was not told a thing by the coaching staff, but then Parcells said to himself "JJ is doing better than I'd like him to, so I better start coaching him to just run in a straight line and fall down".....sorry bro, but I just don't buy it.

That's not what I am saying. I am saying since his rookie year BP has been trying to drill in to him that he can't make negative plays. So know he follows the design of the play to a fault. I am saying he need to follow his intincts. If he sees a hole cut to it like Barber does. BP has JJ too afraid of making a mistake. Let him loose and see if he's still the same player he was 2 years ago. If he can't then it's time too move on.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I think it may have something to do with the fact Barber does not create negitive plays. Rarely will you see him brought down behind the LOS. Jones may have been taught to change his run style to negate negitive plays. I do not recall if he made many negitive plays, but I know Barber never does, thus no need to change his running style.

Just maybe, I dunno for sure, but I do know Parcells changed Jones running style and broke him and rebuilt him into the runner he wanted.

Same thing I am saying

 

[TexasAce]

That's not what I am saying. I am saying since his rookie year BP has been trying to drill in to him that he can't make negative plays. So know he follows the design of the play to a fault. I am saying he need to follow his intincts. If he sees a hole cut to it like Barber does. BP has JJ too afraid of making a mistake. Let him loose and see if he's still the same player he was 2 years ago. If he can't then it's time too move on.

Well if he sees Barber doing it, then why doesn't he say, screw it, I'm gonna do it too ?

JJ is soft, and he is think skinned...like many of the pansies on our team.

I think he is soft and that affects his play on the field as well.

 

[RomoNow]

JJ = bust.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Well if he sees Barber doing it, then why doesn't he say, screw it, I'm gonna do it too ?

JJ is soft, and he is think skinned...like many of the pansies on our team.

I think he is soft and that affects his play on the field as well.

He knows if he tries it and gets tackled for a loss or makes a mistake he'll be on the bench.

I wish he would say screw it I'll play my way. He proved in the Carolina game last year he can do it.

 

[superpunk]

Does Parcells instruct him to head towards the hole and be taken down by an engaged DT's arm tackle? Does he instruct him to bounce it outside and again be taken down by arm tackles? Doubtful. It's on Julius. He's the one not finishing these runs taht are there for the taking.

 

[TexasAce]

He knows if he tries it and gets tackled for a loss or makes a mistake he'll be on the bench.

I wish he would say screw it I'll play my way. He proved in the Carolina game last year he can do it.

No he didn't.

All he proved is that every once and a while he can have a good game.

He hasn't proven he can do it on a consistent basis.

 

[TexasAce]

Does Parcells instruct him to head towards the hole and be taken down by an engaged DT's arm tackle? Does he instruct him to bounce it outside and again be taken down by arm tackles? Doubtful. It's on Julius. He's the one not finishing these runs taht are there for the taking.

Absolutely.

He leaves ALOT of yards on the field.

 

[superpunk]

For all of the criticism Julius has gotten, he's had a pretty good season overall. Out of the 30 running backs with at least 175 carries, he's 15th in yards per carry, 11th in PSR and 16th in DVOA. In the combined rankings of all three stats, he's 13th. With just a little better season -- or even better blocking -- he'd be among the top 10 backs.

Barber's rankings are hilarious. First overall in DVOA and 7th combined. I guess when you're scoring a TD once every 8-10 carries you kind of screw with their formula.

 

[WarDaddy]

I do wonder what in the world happened to the rookie JJ.

But let's be real here, how can it be overcoached ?

I have knocked Parcells coaching flaws as much as the next guy, but I just don't agree with this JJ being overcoached stuff.

How many times do we Barber start to the outside but then make a great cut inside and pick up yardage ? And what about going inside and then bouncing it outside ?

If it was a matter of being coached NOT to do this, then why does Barber continue to do it ?

Not only that, but coaching has nothing to do with JJ's inability to break many tackles, he seems to go down with the slightest bit of contact.

So let me get this straight, JJ who started off the season playing well, was not told a thing by the coaching staff, but then Parcells said to himself "JJ is doing better than I'd like him to, so I better start coaching him to just run in a straight line and fall down".....sorry bro, but I just don't buy it.

Maybe that's why Barber doesn't start.

 

[burmafrd]

I could never understand BPs ranting about negative plays. That usually only happens when the O line messes up- not the RBs fault. JJ in his rookie year did all sorts of moves and jukes and such- and had very few negative plays.
Why did BP want to change that? If you take the instincts out of a RB you ruin him- to me that is what BP did to JJ. He runs totally different then he did as a rookie. Those videos that so many JJ haters want to ignore show a back with speed, quickness and moves. What happened to him? There is only one answer- BP.

 

[Yeagermeister]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[burmafrd]

JJ is a very quiet guy. very introverted. I wonder if BP has not correctly figured him out- and that is part of the problem. I have not liked the way JJ has run this year at all. I look at the runs he made against carolina last year and I wonder where that back went.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I could never understand BPs ranting about negative plays. That usually only happens when the O line messes up- not the RBs fault. JJ in his rookie year did all sorts of moves and jukes and such- and had very few negative plays.
Why did BP want to change that? If you take the instincts out of a RB you ruin him- to me that is what BP did to JJ. He runs totally different then he did as a rookie. Those videos that so many JJ haters want to ignore show a back with speed, quickness and moves. What happened to him? There is only one answer- BP.