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Usually you take the good with the bad.

Robinson / Murray are about as good as it gets from that game. Everything else was garbage. (Edit: Have to throw Ware in as well. He was one of the few bright spots)

Rob Ryan was as bad last night as he has been good leading up to last night. Not really much more needs to be said. I think he'll get things going again and I'd bet he the next game against Philly goes much differently.

I really hope that Lee doesn't miss any time.

And WTH is up with McBriar? I've never heard of a punter getting hurt in practice. And how hurt can you possibly be? You stand still 90% of the time. Looked like he had one small leg and one giant leg last night. One Calista Flockhart leg and one Roseanne Bar.

Getting really sick of seeing the OL sink the offense. Even more, I'm getting really sick of the coaching staff's complete ineptness at finding a way to counter. Unless someone wants to tell me this is the worst OL in the entire league and quite possibly the history of the league, there is no excuse for not being able to find a way to keep Tony upright. That's all there is to it.

The Bears OL was way worse than this last year and they found a way to pull it out and get to the playoffs. I'd say the Packers OL was no better than what Dallas has. That unit gave up like 90 sacks between 2009 and 2010.

Since the start of 2009, the Steelers have given up 118 sacks. That's 40 per year if they didn't have another sack for the rest of this season. Halfway home, they've got 25 this year.

I said it about Houck in his thread, this guy is supposed to be a great coach because he DOESN'T need all the talent in the world to succeed. Same for Jason Garrett. Look at what the guy is working with.

2 Top WRS
Best All Around TE in the NFL & Best Blocking TE (So We're Told)
More than capable QB
Solid #3 WR
What Appears To Be A Potential Stud RB

If you're telling me that after all that he ALSO NEEDS a good OL to get the job done, I'm telling you the guy just isn't that good. You find me a OC who couldn't get the job done with this selection of skill players in addition to a good OL and I'll show you an OC who doesn't have a job.

Jason Garrett better find a way to sure up that line or this team will sink.

And here's a question about the 6th OL who's on the field nearly constantly. If Marty's only asset to the team is his blocking ability and the OL still isn't able to get enough protection against a minimalist rush with that additional help, what the hell value does he even provide? Seriously, what is the point? If it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things to put him on the line in terms of keeping Tony upright, I'd rather they just put another WR out there and spread the defense a little thinner.

Martellus is a bust. Was a bust at the time and is only made worse by the fact that the front office turned down a 1st round pick for him.

While we're talking about the line, does anyone know what the hell is going on with those lollipop snaps? How can a guy get to the professional level at something and still suck so much at doing his most important job? Imagine a doctor who couldn't stich up a wound.

Back to Garrett. His redzone offense sucks. End of story. Has sucked and will continue to suck. Shotgun from inside the 5 is laughable. If I were playing this team and they were moving the ball and around the 40 yard line, I'd just let them get to the 15 yard line and accept the FG they'll kick. For the first few weeks when he didn't run in the redzone it was because the running game wasn't working. What's the excuse now? Takes too much time to run the ball once or twice from 2 yards out? Even if you ran it and got stuffed, you could line right back up and throw it. Might take 10-15 seconds per run and when you're down by that much, failing to score at all because you were an idiot is much worse than taking an extra minute (MAX) to run once or twice.

And does anyone know what was going on for that last drive? What was that? Sort of a half-committed attempt at scoring? You're gonna run the hurry up down 27 points with less than 2 minutes left, for whatever reason, but you won't fully commit and use timeouts? Either run out the clock with a couple of handoffs or just fully commit and try to score. Don't do this stupid in-between BS where you run a handfull of plays, extend the game longer than needed and come out with nothing.

Last night I was thinking there wasn't a lot of talk about Beuhler being back. Scoring very little will do that I suppose. But then it occurred to me that lost in all the talk of whether or not Dallas gets any benefit from Buehler is the fact that his opportunity to help is structured so he basically NEVER CAN.

If Dallas scores nothing, he doesn't kick. Pretty simple there. But, if Dallas scores a bunch, his value is minimal because scoring a bunch in itself usually results in a win with or without some Adonis-DNA kicker. There's really only one situation in which it works as intended. Dallas kicks an *** load of FGs in a close game which I guess is convenient giving the pathetic nature of this redzone offense.

All in all, a gutless performance on nearly every level. The team looked like they didn't even make the trip. It was every bit as bad as the Jags or Packers game last year.....probably worse than the Jags game and I'd say worse than the Packers because this wasn't supposed to happen this year.
 
Hoofbite;4216772 said:
All in all, a gutless performance on nearly every level. The team looked like they didn't even make the trip. It was every bit as bad as the Jags or Packers game last year.....probably worse than the Jags game.

This reminded me a lot of the "Pickle Juice Game" where we seemed like a college team playing a pro team. Nothing was working and only a few guys played well.
 
Yeah, there really isn't much to say.

We were unprepared. And we got shown up. There are always days like this, we just have to do what we can not to make this a trend.

Definitely something we can learn from, and now the coaches have been humbled as well. Everyone aside from Murray, Robinson, and Ware deserve a little blame for this loss.

But hope to right the ship and move forward is about all we can do.

But yes, we got beat down and there is no denying it.
 
The problem here is it all starts with the offensive line. You give Garrett a good line and you could take away some of those weapons and he'll still produce.

It's like fans are just so frustrated that they say 'okay, our line sucks....work around it!' Well, you can't work around it. It's always going to negatively effect this offense until you get new players.
 
THUMPER;4216780 said:
This reminded me a lot of the "Pickle Juice Game" where we seemed like a college team playing a pro team. Nothing was working and only a few guys played well.


we were boys playing men last night....:confused:
 
Nice job, it's hard to post without just whining and crying right now and you did a good job of addressing real issues/players/coaches with a perfect amount of frustration, lol.

You missed one so I'll say it for you. Since all our centers suck so bad at shotgun snaps, why the hell do we insist on being in the shotgun all the time? It's not like it's worked buying Romo any time.

I won't say Garrett is a bad game planner, but I will say he's a terrible game manager. Many of us caught grief for second guessing after the Lions game. But we see example and example of Garrett continuing to do something that is not working, rather than accepting he does not have the players to execute his offense. He needs to deal with the fact they can't and implement one they can execute.
 
This is an excellent thread and I agree with every single word you've written. Sums up EVERYTHING perfectly.

Especially the bits about Buehler and Bennet. I still have no idea whatsoever why Buehler is not only on the team but also active on gameday. He is completely and utterly useless, does one thing, doesn't even do that one thing more than 2 or 3 times a game, cannot do that one thing very good or consistently, and cannot do anything else (like help punting in a pinch or play another position). He is so symbolic of this organization. Completely clueless.
 
shockandroll;4216812 said:
You missed one so I'll say it for you. Since all our centers suck so bad at shotgun snaps, why the hell do we insist on being in the shotgun all the time? It's not like it's worked buying Romo any time.

To give the QB an extra second or two to scan the field before the train hits.
 
shockandroll;4216812 said:
You missed one so I'll say it for you. Since all our centers suck so bad at shotgun snaps, why the hell do we insist on being in the shotgun all the time? It's not like it's worked buying Romo any time.

I won't say Garrett is a bad game planner, but I will say he's a terrible game manager. Many of us caught grief for second guessing after the Lions game. But we see example and example of Garrett continuing to do something that is not working, rather than accepting he does not have the players to execute his offense. He needs to deal with the fact they can't and implement one they can execute.

Excellent point. Not sure why we continue to run plays that we are incapable of running.
 
Hoofbite;4216772 said:
2 Top WRS
Best All Around TE in the NFL & Best Blocking TE (So We're Told)
More than capable QB
Solid #3 WR
What Appears To Be A Potential Stud RB

If you're telling me that after all that he ALSO NEEDS a good OL to get the job done, I'm telling you the guy just isn't that good. You find me a OC who couldn't get the job done with this selection of skill players in addition to a good OL and I'll show you an OC who doesn't have a job.

This is the most damning thing to me. What does it say about Garrett if he can't get our offense rolling until we have elite talent at all spots on offense? There are many coaches in the NFL who could get more out of this offense than Garrett is.
 
Risen Star;4216793 said:
The problem here is it all starts with the offensive line. You give Garrett a good line and you could take away some of those weapons and he'll still produce.

It's like fans are just so frustrated that they say 'okay, our line sucks....work around it!' Well, you can't work around it. It's always going to negatively effect this offense until you get new players.

I don't agree completely. You can work around it to a point. Rather than continuing to ask Costa to shotgun it, realize he sucks at it and knock it off. Since they cannot hold up pass protection for these long developing pass plays, knock it off and go with more running, screens and quick routes so they don't have to protect as long.

I've seen people, including myself, scream about so much shotgun and long developing plays for so many years I'm sure we're on to something.

I do agree with you it's not going to make them a great line, but it would allow us to get the ball in the hands of guys who can do something with it. If we start moving the chains like that, it will open up the bigger plays as the game goes on.

That's how I feel about it anyway.
 
2 top wr? I don't know who you would be speaking of. I like Miles Austin, but he's been a non-factor since returning from the hamstring injury. Dez Bryant is like a lot of Cowboy players - overhyped (especially by the GM) and underproductive. Look, the guy makes a spectacular play every once in awhile but is generally invisible for the large majority of games. And its fairly clear he doesnt know a good deal of the playbook either.
 
Risen Star;4216793 said:
The problem here is it all starts with the offensive line. You give Garrett a good line and you could take away some of those weapons and he'll still produce.

It's like fans are just so frustrated that they say 'okay, our line sucks....work around it!' Well, you can't work around it. It's always going to negatively effect this offense until you get new players.

Garrett chose this line, did he not? If he's making personnel decisions on this team, that means he was on board with giving elite tackle money to Free, cutting Gurode and starting Costa, etc.

He gets no excuses made for him for the offensive line he asked for.
 
DOUBLE WING;4216834 said:
Garrett chose this line, did he not?

No, he did not.

The situation with our offensive line is a result of horrible talent evaluation over the years at the position. Garrett inherited next to no talent along the 5 starting spots and no ability to be aggressive in free agency to fill any of those holes.

So he was left to choose between Bill Nagys and David Arkins to make the best of a bad situation.
 
Risen Star;4216842 said:
No, he did not.

The situation with our offensive line is a result of horrible talent evaluation over the years at the position. Garrett inherited next to no talent along the 5 starting spots and no ability to be aggressive in free agency to fill any of those holes.

So he was left to choose between Bill Nagys and David Arkins to make the best of a bad situation.

Garrett's been the OC here the whole time. If the guy has any balls or brains he would've told the boss to fix the problem plaguing his unit. He didn't inherit the line. It is his line.
 
Risen Star;4216842 said:
No, he did not.

The situation with our offensive line is a result of horrible talent evaluation over the years at the position. Garrett inherited next to no talent along the 5 starting spots and no ability to be aggressive in free agency to fill any of those holes.

So he was left to choose between Bill Nagys and David Arkins to make the best of a bad situation.

He inherited Doug Free......I'd guess 8 weeks ago everyone would call that good luck.

He also had a serviable player in Kosier and hand chose his RT.

3/5 right there.

And if not for cutting Gurdoe, it would be 4/5

And let us not forget he's been with the team now for 5 years. Do we really think he's had little say over the OL selection process since then?
 
Gaede;4216848 said:
Garrett's been the OC here the whole time. If the guy has any balls or brains he would've told the boss to fix the problem plaguing his unit. He didn't inherit the line. It was his line before he was HC too.

Not to mention Jerry's old buddy, the guy he loves to point out is the highest-paid OL coach in football, giving his input.

It's insane to think that Jerry hasn't been listening to both these guys for years now.
 
Risen Star;4216842 said:
No, he did not.

The situation with our offensive line is a result of horrible talent evaluation over the years at the position. Garrett inherited next to no talent along the 5 starting spots and no ability to be aggressive in free agency to fill any of those holes.

So he was left to choose between Bill Nagys and David Arkins to make the best of a bad situation.

Garrett is in his fifth year in charge of our offense. Kyle Kosier is the only player on our offensive line who wasn't brought in during the Garrett regime. So if you want to point a finger at someone for horrible talent evaluation, point it at the guy running the offense.

Garrett had a hand in bringing these guys in. He chose to go into this season with them. He made his bed with these scrubs and now he's laying in it.
 
Chocolate Lab;4216851 said:
Not to mention Jerry's old buddy, the guy he loves to point out is the highest-paid OL coach in football, giving his input.

It's insane to think that Jerry hasn't been listening to both these guys for years now.

Wade's ghost must be hiding in Jerry's closet determined to undermine Jason Garrett at all costs

Or maybe it's Wes Phillips sabotaging the season to throw his boss under the bus.
 

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