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Too many people are crying over spilled milk.. Murray is gone folks! He could have taking a very respectable $6 mil a year to stay with his team, his friends, and become a legend in Dallas running behind our OL. But he DIDN'T! It was DeMarco's choice. Yeah Philthy gave him more money per year including a sizable guarantee that I'm sure glad the Boys aren't on the hook for over the next five years. (I.e.- Barber, Austin, Roy Williams, Ratliff.. you get my drift?) If Murray had stayed, he could have easily earned even more money in endorsements while playing for one of the most recognizable sport teams in the world. In the end, he choose to go to our hated rivals and took a shot at us on his way out by saying "I felt that this was a great opportunity for me to win a Super Bowl, at the end of the day" Murray said...Last I checked, the Eagles trophy case is still collecting dust.. not Lombardi's. Good luck with that Mr.Murray and don't let the door hit you on your way out!

And before the Murray lovers start bashing me.. let me state that I appreciate everything Murray was in Dallas and always knew he would be good if not great IF he could stay healthy. (sounds awfully similar to a couple other guys now on our roster) But if I'm being honest, I personally was never a huge fan of his running style. Too may times he seeked contact rather than avoid it. That's not really a knock on him because there are definitely Pro's to his physical style. Randle was absolutely correct in saying Murray left meat on the bone. That's not a big secret.. its been spoken about by others and written about several times. I'm not going to sit here and debate what Murray could have done, but its been discussed several times that Murray took some questionable running lanes when ALL22 footage revealed better options. So in essence, Murrays vision has been questioned. On the other hand, I like watching RB's that threaten to take it to the house every time they handle the rock. And although most people doubt Randle (for reasons that are beyond me), he is a guy that can dance in the end zone at any moment.

Randle has been successful at every stage of his football career, Isn't injury prone, and has shown he can be very successful at the Pro level. Rumor was that Murray didn't want to come off the field.. thus limiting any other RB's chances. Never the less, Randle took full advantage of his opportunities. He has good size, faster, and has proven he can be a play maker.The only knock on the field is his blocking ability? How do we really know this? AND that's a very coachable concern anyway. He was drafted after the 2012 season when Murray managed to start in only 17 of 32 games for Cowboys. So Randle was our insurance policy if Murray couldn't stay healthy. Low and behold, Murray broke out his third season yet still was banged up and played through it. Murray's career rushing average is 4.8ypc.. wanna take a guess what Randle's is with 105 career carries? Well at 23yo, this is Randle's third season and he looks the part, the coaches/FO believe in him, and.. wait for it... is healthy.

McFadden is Randle's insurance policy. At one time, nobody would have questioned whether Darren was a great back. Hell, he was being touted as the next Bo Jackson out of college. But after seven seasons, multiple injuries, and a sorry*** team later.. fans are saying he's washed up. Maybe.. maybe not. I don't believe the FO has plans to make him the feature back. I don't believe the FO wants a feature back. For that matter, I don't believe the FO ever planned to have Murray carry the load or believe he would last an entire season doing so. In his career, McFadden only has 100 more carries than Murray despite three more seasons. McFadden is a big (6'2" 215) veteran back that has good vision, speed, and can block well. Ideally the FO hopes that he can spell Randle, provide veteran leadership, and can rejuvenate his career while playing more as a role player.

Williams is another player bitten by injuries. But when the guy is healthy, He has a skill set that will WOW you. I'm personally rooting for the guy because he has legit shot at the starter role IF he can manage to stay on the field. Much like Sean Lee in a sense, when he is healthy.. he can be a play maker. Like the rest of our RB's, he's playing under a very reasonable contract that wont kill us if we decide to change gears. Dallas is hoping to capturing lightening in a bottle with this guy.

To conclude, Murray was a stud back and isn't going to be easy to replace. But, he wasn't special. Could Dallas have done better? Sure. That's why a lot of folks were hoping for A.P... because although Peterson is 30yo and hasn't played in over a year, he is a special back. Lets face it, unless we would have drafted Gurley or Gordon, we would be naïve to believe any other RB would be better than Randle at this stage of the game. Besides, its been proven the RBBC can win Superbowls. I believe we will be fine at RB and Randle will make this discussion a mute point by the end of the season. With our much improved defense, Dallas will not have to lean on the running game as much and hopefully we'll play with more leads. Thus given Linehan more opportunities to be creative and give others a chance to shine. And if "dirty yards" is your defense.. I hate to break it to ya, but our OL had more to do with that. Opportunity is the name of the game. And this stable of RB's have probably the greatest chance ever given considering the circumstances. With the #1 rated QB, #1 rated OL, arguably the #1 WR and TE keeping the opposing defenses honest.. You couldn't ask for a better situation to be successful.

I'll leave you with this nugget that I recently asked in another thread..

If Oakland would have drafted Murray, Do you think he would have been the rushing champ last year?
 

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Theres no telling what could have happen with Murray and the Raiders, how do you know that Murray might not have broken some tackles and did better than McFadden. What if the RB coach of the Raiders listened to everyone and thought Murray wasnt good? When you change teams, you change more than the uniform. A lot of things could have happened. Heck, Murrays fight year mgiht have been better than at Dallas he might not have gotten injured. To many factors to list. We really havent looked close to see if McFadden is as good as Murray at shedding some blockers or if McFadden falls down easier.

Its a debate with our fans, was it Murray, was it the line? its both people, get a clue. The thing Randle is trying to get through to some peoples heads, "what do you do with the oppurtunity before you" thats all you can dwell on. Heck so many people here saying Randle is good, is it the line or is it Randle? we dont know, but we know what we have in front of the runner and if they take advantage of it.

The debate shouldnt really be about McFadden, because hes getting so much love, the question should be, "did Dallas think this through enough" I personally say no. I dont know at what point you look at McFadden and say "yea a draft pick really wont give us all that" and by all that we mean an injury prone body. Now i dont know how you look at the whole scope of the RB field in the nfl, and draft and say "yea, lets roll with old and injury" thats just me.

I would have led with Randle, Williams and brought in 2 guys to challenge Dunbar. *not his legend, just his skills he currently posseses* and than let the stable fall as it may. Is this the best way, no, someone is going to come up with something better and proclaim thats the better, but hopefully neither suggests McFadden in the mix.
 

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Too many people are crying over spilled milk.. Murray is gone folks! He could have taking a very respectable $6 mil a year to stay with his team, his friends, and become a legend in Dallas running behind our OL. But he DIDN'T! It was DeMarco's choice. Yeah Philthy gave him more money per year including a sizable guarantee that I'm sure glad the Boys aren't on the hook for over the next five years. (I.e.- Barber, Austin, Roy Williams, Ratliff.. you get my drift?) If Murray had stayed, he could have easily earned even more money in endorsements while playing for one of the most recognizable sport teams in the world. In the end, he choose to go to our hated rivals and took a shot at us on his way out by saying "I felt that this was a great opportunity for me to win a Super Bowl, at the end of the day" Murray said...Last I checked, the Eagles trophy case is still collecting dust.. not Lombardi's. Good luck with that Mr.Murray and don't let the door hit you on your way out!

And before the Murray lovers start bashing me.. let me state that I appreciate everything Murray was in Dallas and always knew he would be good if not great IF he could stay healthy. (sounds awfully similar to a couple other guys now on our roster) But if I'm being honest, I personally was never a huge fan of his running style. Too may times he seeked contact rather than avoid it. That's not really a knock on him because there are definitely Pro's to his physical style. Randle was absolutely correct in saying Murray left meat on the bone. That's not a big secret.. its been spoken about by others and written about several times. I'm not going to sit here and debate what Murray could have done, but its been discussed several times that Murray took some questionable running lanes when ALL22 footage revealed better options. So in essence, Murrays vision has been questioned. On the other hand, I like watching RB's that threaten to take it to the house every time they handle the rock. And although most people doubt Randle (for reasons that are beyond me), he is a guy that can dance in the end zone at any moment.

Randle has been successful at every stage of his football career, Isn't injury prone, and has shown he can be very successful at the Pro level. Rumor was that Murray didn't want to come off the field.. thus limiting any other RB's chances. Never the less, Randle took full advantage of his opportunities. He has good size, faster, and has proven he can be a play maker.The only knock on the field is his blocking ability? How do we really know this? AND that's a very coachable concern anyway. He was drafted after the 2012 season when Murray managed to start in only 17 of 32 games for Cowboys. So Randle was our insurance policy if Murray couldn't stay healthy. Low and behold, Murray broke out his third season yet still was banged up and played through it. Murray's career rushing average is 4.8ypc.. wanna take a guess what Randle's is with 105 career carries? Well at 23yo, this is Randle's third season and he looks the part, the coaches/FO believe in him, and.. wait for it... is healthy.

McFadden is Randle's insurance policy. At one time, nobody would have questioned whether Darren was a great back. Hell, he was being touted as the next Bo Jackson out of college. But after seven seasons, multiple injuries, and a sorry*** team later.. fans are saying he's washed up. Maybe.. maybe not. I don't believe the FO has plans to make him the feature back. I don't believe the FO wants a feature back. For that matter, I don't believe the FO ever planned to have Murray carry the load or believe he would last an entire season doing so. In his career, McFadden only has 100 more carries than Murray despite three more seasons. McFadden is a big (6'2" 215) veteran back that has good vision, speed, and can block well. Ideally the FO hopes that he can spell Randle, provide veteran leadership, and can rejuvenate his career while playing more as a role player.

Williams is another player bitten by injuries. But when the guy is healthy, He has a skill set that will WOW you. I'm personally rooting for the guy because he has legit shot at the starter role IF he can manage to stay on the field. Much like Sean Lee in a sense, when he is healthy.. he can be a play maker. Like the rest of our RB's, he's playing under a very reasonable contract that wont kill us if we decide to change gears. Dallas is hoping to capturing lightening in a bottle with this guy.

To conclude, Murray was a stud back and isn't going to be easy to replace. But, he wasn't special. Could Dallas have done better? Sure. That's why a lot of folks were hoping for A.P... because although Peterson is 30yo and hasn't played in over a year, he is a special back. Lets face it, unless we would have drafted Gurley or Gordon, we would be naïve to believe any other RB would be better than Randle at this stage of the game. Besides, its been proven the RBBC can win Superbowls. I believe we will be fine at RB and Randle will make this discussion a mute point by the end of the season. With our much improved defense, Dallas will not have to lean on the running game as much and hopefully we'll play with more leads. Thus given Linehan more opportunities to be creative and give others a chance to shine. And if "dirty yards" is your defense.. I hate to break it to ya, but our OL had more to do with that. Opportunity is the name of the game. And this stable of RB's have probably the greatest chance ever given considering the circumstances. With the #1 rated QB, #1 rated OL, arguably the #1 WR and TE keeping the opposing defenses honest.. You couldn't ask for a better situation to be successful.

I'll leave you with this nugget that I recently asked in another thread..

If Oakland would have drafted Murray, Do you think he would have been the rushing champ last year?

Perhaps you should be a fan as you like, and others can be a fan as they like. Or should I think you are crying over the fact some people see it differently than you?
 

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Perhaps you should be a fan as you like, and others can be a fan as they like. Or should I think you are crying over the fact some people see it differently than you?

LOL, ok. Your probably thinking "twodeep" into it sir.. As a FAN, I'd rather talk about my team in an optimistic light and be positive, exp since the team has given no reason to think otherwise since Garrett & Co. has taken over. Nothing to see here, carry on
 

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LOL, ok. Your probably thinking "twodeep" into it sir.. As a FAN, I'd rather talk about my team in an optimistic light and be positive, exp since the team has given no reason to think otherwise since Garrett & Co. has taken over. Nothing to see here, carry on

A man was standing at an open window of a high rise building. His floor was twenty-eight stories above the street. He heard a voice and noticed another man falling toward the pavement. As the doomed man fell past the window the first man heard him say, "So far so good."

I don't need the calories of a team with a sugar coating. I like reality. And Reality, too.
 

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Anyone not a little worried about our RB situation is just foolin' themselves(hears Def Leppard).

We have a knucklehead, a has been and a never was.

Justin Forsett exploded for BAL last year, so there is always hope.
 

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Too many people are crying over spilled milk.. Murray is gone folks! He could have taking a very respectable $6 mil a year to stay with his team, his friends, and become a legend in Dallas running behind our OL. But he DIDN'T! It was DeMarco's choice. Yeah Philthy gave him more money per year including a sizable guarantee that I'm sure glad the Boys aren't on the hook for over the next five years. (I.e.- Barber, Austin, Roy Williams, Ratliff.. you get my drift?) If Murray had stayed, he could have easily earned even more money in endorsements while playing for one of the most recognizable sport teams in the world. In the end, he choose to go to our hated rivals and took a shot at us on his way out by saying "I felt that this was a great opportunity for me to win a Super Bowl, at the end of the day" Murray said...Last I checked, the Eagles trophy case is still collecting dust.. not Lombardi's. Good luck with that Mr.Murray and don't let the door hit you on your way out!

And before the Murray lovers start bashing me.. let me state that I appreciate everything Murray was in Dallas and always knew he would be good if not great IF he could stay healthy. (sounds awfully similar to a couple other guys now on our roster) But if I'm being honest, I personally was never a huge fan of his running style. Too may times he seeked contact rather than avoid it. That's not really a knock on him because there are definitely Pro's to his physical style. Randle was absolutely correct in saying Murray left meat on the bone. That's not a big secret.. its been spoken about by others and written about several times. I'm not going to sit here and debate what Murray could have done, but its been discussed several times that Murray took some questionable running lanes when ALL22 footage revealed better options. So in essence, Murrays vision has been questioned. On the other hand, I like watching RB's that threaten to take it to the house every time they handle the rock. And although most people doubt Randle (for reasons that are beyond me), he is a guy that can dance in the end zone at any moment.

Randle has been successful at every stage of his football career, Isn't injury prone, and has shown he can be very successful at the Pro level. Rumor was that Murray didn't want to come off the field.. thus limiting any other RB's chances. Never the less, Randle took full advantage of his opportunities. He has good size, faster, and has proven he can be a play maker.The only knock on the field is his blocking ability? How do we really know this? AND that's a very coachable concern anyway. He was drafted after the 2012 season when Murray managed to start in only 17 of 32 games for Cowboys. So Randle was our insurance policy if Murray couldn't stay healthy. Low and behold, Murray broke out his third season yet still was banged up and played through it. Murray's career rushing average is 4.8ypc.. wanna take a guess what Randle's is with 105 career carries? Well at 23yo, this is Randle's third season and he looks the part, the coaches/FO believe in him, and.. wait for it... is healthy.

McFadden is Randle's insurance policy. At one time, nobody would have questioned whether Darren was a great back. Hell, he was being touted as the next Bo Jackson out of college. But after seven seasons, multiple injuries, and a sorry*** team later.. fans are saying he's washed up. Maybe.. maybe not. I don't believe the FO has plans to make him the feature back. I don't believe the FO wants a feature back. For that matter, I don't believe the FO ever planned to have Murray carry the load or believe he would last an entire season doing so. In his career, McFadden only has 100 more carries than Murray despite three more seasons. McFadden is a big (6'2" 215) veteran back that has good vision, speed, and can block well. Ideally the FO hopes that he can spell Randle, provide veteran leadership, and can rejuvenate his career while playing more as a role player.

Williams is another player bitten by injuries. But when the guy is healthy, He has a skill set that will WOW you. I'm personally rooting for the guy because he has legit shot at the starter role IF he can manage to stay on the field. Much like Sean Lee in a sense, when he is healthy.. he can be a play maker. Like the rest of our RB's, he's playing under a very reasonable contract that wont kill us if we decide to change gears. Dallas is hoping to capturing lightening in a bottle with this guy.

To conclude, Murray was a stud back and isn't going to be easy to replace. But, he wasn't special. Could Dallas have done better? Sure. That's why a lot of folks were hoping for A.P... because although Peterson is 30yo and hasn't played in over a year, he is a special back. Lets face it, unless we would have drafted Gurley or Gordon, we would be naïve to believe any other RB would be better than Randle at this stage of the game. Besides, its been proven the RBBC can win Superbowls. I believe we will be fine at RB and Randle will make this discussion a mute point by the end of the season. With our much improved defense, Dallas will not have to lean on the running game as much and hopefully we'll play with more leads. Thus given Linehan more opportunities to be creative and give others a chance to shine. And if "dirty yards" is your defense.. I hate to break it to ya, but our OL had more to do with that. Opportunity is the name of the game. And this stable of RB's have probably the greatest chance ever given considering the circumstances. With the #1 rated QB, #1 rated OL, arguably the #1 WR and TE keeping the opposing defenses honest.. You couldn't ask for a better situation to be successful.

I'll leave you with this nugget that I recently asked in another thread..

If Oakland would have drafted Murray, Do you think he would have been the rushing champ last year?

That is a great point, I Think if Oakland would have drafted Murray would he be rushing champ. Answer=NO, he might even be out of the league by now.
 

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LOL, ok. Your probably thinking "twodeep" into it sir.. As a FAN, I'd rather talk about my team in an optimistic light and be positive, exp since the team has given no reason to think otherwise since Garrett & Co. has taken over. Nothing to see here, carry on

lmao....dude, that was good! And I'm talking about the FAN part that some joker uses all the time!
 

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Funny how a Eagle RB now holds the dallas records for
1.most yards in a season
2.most yards in a game (also a rookie record)
3. most consecutive 100 yard + games
4. 1958 NFL rushing record of 1st 8 games over 100 yds. (56 year old record)
and many other records for 2nd best in his rookie season. and some other records.

So for a back with duck feet and poor vision, no speed, and left meat on the bone and not worth much , and o yeah injury prone ,
he did pretty good!
Must have been sheer luck and the OL, good thing dallas unloaded him! Now he is the Eagles problem.
 

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A man was standing at an open window of a high rise building. His floor was twenty-eight stories above the street. He heard a voice and noticed another man falling toward the pavement. As the doomed man fell past the window the first man heard him say, "So far so good."

I don't need the calories of a team with a sugar coating. I like reality. And Reality, too.

First of all, you don't know reality because reality has not happened yet. You and others want to dwell or live in the past...that is your reality. The present is reality and the future has not happened yet so there is nothing "real" about your little man hitting the ground when he falls. Once he hit the pavement, his reality is over. And, the Dallas Cowboys have not hit the pavement as you and others think they have. But, carry on living in the past and don't let the future hold you back from your so called reality.
 

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Funny how a Eagle RB now holds the dallas records for
1.most yards in a season
2.most yards in a game (also a rookie record)
3. most consecutive 100 yard + games
4. 1958 NFL rushing record of 1st 8 games over 100 yds. (56 year old record)
and many other records for 2nd best in his rookie season. and some other records.

So for a back with duck feet and poor vision, no speed, and left meat on the bone and not worth much , and o yeah injury prone ,
he did pretty good!
Must have been sheer luck and the OL, good thing dallas unloaded him! Now he is the Eagles problem.

If he does that same with the eagles, get back to us.
 

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Funny how a Eagle RB now holds the dallas records for
1.most yards in a season
2.most yards in a game (also a rookie record)
3. most consecutive 100 yard + games
4. 1958 NFL rushing record of 1st 8 games over 100 yds. (56 year old record)
and many other records for 2nd best in his rookie season. and some other records.

So for a back with duck feet and poor vision, no speed, and left meat on the bone and not worth much , and o yeah injury prone ,
he did pretty good!
Must have been sheer luck and the OL, good thing dallas unloaded him! Now he is the Eagles problem.

It's amazing what a superior passing game that is led by one of the best QB's in the game, a WR that demands double and sometimes triple coverage, a hall of fame TE, one of the best slot receivers in the NFL, the best OL in the league, along with great coaching can do for a RB.

If Chippy can put that around Murray just like Dallas did... then they deserve some recognition too.
 

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It's amazing what a superior passing game that is led by one of the best QB's in the game, a WR that demands double and sometimes triple coverage, a hall of fame TE, one of the best slot receivers in the NFL, the best OL in the league, along with great coaching can do for a RB.

If Chippy can put that around Murray just like Dallas did... then they deserve some recognition too.

OMG...would you get with the program?! All that babble in your first paragraph means nothing! Murray did all that by himself, he was the one that made that 12-4 season! Learn people, learn!
 
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