Just don't get it???

[dbair1967]

how many players on our line now would have started for the cowboys in 92-93?

none...some of the starters on this OL wouldnt even be backups on that team

David

 

[dbair1967]

Im sure helping the O-line will help you guys tremendously, but lets not forget the holes and problems on the entire football team.

Also, one part of your demise was the ability to come out flat periodically.

hey Skins fan, you better shut that trap or else we'll convince Jerruh to bring back superior talents like Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson and Anthony Wright, and allow them to be coached by the genius that is Dave Campo and Chan Gailey and just whip that Commander tail all over the place again

consider yourself warned :skins:

David

 

[burmafrd]

Adams is much better then TT; all indications are that he is ahead of schedule on his rehab and no problems so far. BIG improvement.
Kosier is much quicker if nowhere near as strong as LA. Call that a wash.
Johnson has gained 12-17 lbs by choosing to trade some of his quickness for bulking up. Since he was pretty quick lets call that an improvement. Gurode will compete- possible upgrade there (POSSIBLE). Moderate improvement.
Rivera is healthy and working out well. Moderate improvement- maybe more since he WAS A PROBOWL GUARD.
Fabini is a solid guy- better then Pettiti as a rookie. Pettiti should be much improved- and Columbo is supposedly going to be healthy for the first time in 3 years this summer. Moderate improvement to possibly very improved.
So even if some want to say that Kosier is a downgrade- and there is no real evidence that that is true- we should have between moderate and very good improvement at 3 positions; and BIG improvement at a 4th. There fore our O line - barring disaster of course- should have solid improvement- over what it was before the Hotel went down- and VERY MUCH improved over what it was after he went down. I see our sacks being cut in half at least; and I think our running game will also show solid improvement.

 

[burmafrd]

Actuall The Hotel might very well have started for that 92-93 team; the other tackle from Williams was not great. RIvera at his peak could also be in the fight for starting. Step, Nate, Williams were great; but Gogan and Tuinie were not that great- though they were very good. Now I admit straight up that PROBABLY only Johnson would be able to play backup- the rest of what we have could not have made the team. BUT remember this: NO ONE has a line like that anymore- and probably will never have one like it again. The sum of its parts were greater then it looked- they played great as a UNIT.

 

[dbair1967]

Actuall The Hotel might very well have started for that 92-93 team; the other tackle from Williams was not great. RIvera at his peak could also be in the fight for starting. Step, Nate, Williams were great; but Gogan and Tuinie were not that great- though they were very good. Now I admit straight up that PROBABLY only Johnson would be able to play backup- the rest of what we have could not have made the team. BUT remember this: NO ONE has a line like that anymore- and probably will never have one like it again. The sum of its parts were greater then it looked- they played great as a UNIT.

you are right about Adams, he definitely would have pushed Tuinei at the least, although Tui was a great technician and rarely allowed sacks (who can forget him making Bruce Smith disappear in two superbowls)...Tui also made a couple of probowls later in his career

in 1993 when Stepnoski went down people forget we actually won the super bowl after playing our 3rd different starter at C (John Gesek, who hadnt played center since high school)...Gesek actually played the position pretty well after we tried Frank Cornish there

as big a difference as the talent was the coaching....Tony Wise and Hudson Houck were superior OL coaches...not sure we can say that about our current OL coach

David

 

[burmafrd]

Coaching is certainly a question- I hope we get better then we had last year.

 

[vlad]

It's is painfully obvious to me that our OL is the cause of our demise last year and will be again if we don't draft some good players here ( I am not hanging my hope on a bunch of underachievers, coming off injury 30 somthing tackles and last yr's rookie that got burnt so often that I can smell the burn at home):bang2: . Why is it that almost everyone wants our 1st pick be a OLB???

IF the BPA is a OLB so be it.....but, I much prefer moving down if at all possible to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd to shore up the OL. Yeah, OLB is a much sexier pick and may help us rack up a few more sacks but like I posted before....I can live with our current LB corp but not with the current OL. Our OL will cost us more games than our LB's. It ruined our playoff birth for sure last yr.

I think people just want "playmakers" vs boring linemen. I think we need about 4 new boring linemen and hope half of them develop, our line ruined our season. Made for shorter possessions, no running game, people could just concentrate on getting to bledsoe, more tired defense which leads to those big plays that killed us. TO is not what will get us to the superbowl, I think we could have done that last year had we an even average OL.

 

[Doomsday101]

The defense also had issues stopping the run and rushing the passer.

Drafting OL isn't a sure fire fix. See Gurode, Peterman, Rogers.

None of these players are sure fire picks be in OL, LB or any other position.

 

[johnnybluestar]

Doesn't anybody remember that we struggled to run the ball before Flozell Adams got hurt?

 

[Funxva]

Doesn't anybody remember that we struggled to run the ball before Flozell Adams got hurt?

Yes, but I think we were limited in the types of runs we could do because of injuries/age and skill.

LA was not mobile enough to get to the 2nd level and block like he used to

Rivera had an injured back, which definitely limited his blocking power.

We had a rookie RT that had a drastic weight loss, sapping his strength.

This year with offseason workouts, and upgrades on the oline and time to recover from injuries, we will should run the ball much muhc better.

 

[kartr]

It's is painfully obvious to me that our OL is the cause of our demise last year and will be again if we don't draft some good players here ( I am not hanging my hope on a bunch of underachievers, coming off injury 30 somthing tackles and last yr's rookie that got burnt so often that I can smell the burn at home):bang2: . Why is it that almost everyone wants our 1st pick be a OLB???

IF the BPA is a OLB so be it.....but, I much prefer moving down if at all possible to pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd to shore up the OL. Yeah, OLB is a much sexier pick and may help us rack up a few more sacks but like I posted before....I can live with our current LB corp but not with the current OL. Our OL will cost us more games than our LB's. It ruined our playoff birth for sure last yr.

The OL didn't make Bledsoe throw to a double-covered Terry Glenn in the Seattle game, nor Champ Bailey in the Denver game or not look for Jason Witten in the Raider game or the first Commander game. That's four losses that Bledsoe was the primary culprit with poor decisions. In the second Eagle game he contributed an int by holding the ball instead of throwing to an open Jason Witten;he didn't try to throw it until a man was draped all over him and when he had no pressure on him he didn't throw it. Only the Eagles stupidity in not trying to run out the clock and Roy Williams heroics saved that one from being another Bledsoe loss. Sure the OL had problems, but they can't make the decisions for Bledsoe. Just what is it that you don't get?

 

[CowboyWay]

Im sure helping the O-line will help you guys tremendously, but lets not forget the holes and problems on the entire football team.

Also, one part of your demise was the ability to come out flat periodically.

You speak as if you have a superior team or something. Get a life. You were one missed field goal away from splitting the series with us last year and you act as if your team is great?????? You got to be kidding me.
Going into week 12 you had a 5-6 record. You weren't even above .500 until week 14 !!!!!!!

We were 7-3 until we caught the injury bug and just couldn't recover, and you only had one win more than us.

I simply cannot wait until this season starts so we can watch the Commanders start losing again like history says they will. The skins are LOSERS. Always have been, always will be.

 

[Gibbs II]

YAWN... Again with the coming out flat?? I guess the RedStinks never came out flat huh? Forget the 36-0 romp in NY... forget the Cowboys game where you were down 13-0 (yes I know what happened, that's beside the point), forget the TB and Denver games where you were down 21-10.

EVERYONE comes out flat now and again. :bang2:

In weeks 2 and 7 maybe, but heck when your season is on the line, you should be ready to kill.

 

[btcutter]

The OL didn't make Bledsoe throw to a double-covered Terry Glenn in the Seattle game, nor Champ Bailey in the Denver game or not look for Jason Witten in the Raider game or the first Commander game. That's four losses that Bledsoe was the primary culprit with poor decisions. In the second Eagle game he contributed an int by holding the ball instead of throwing to an open Jason Witten;he didn't try to throw it until a man was draped all over him and when he had no pressure on him he didn't throw it. Only the Eagles stupidity in not trying to run out the clock and Roy Williams heroics saved that one from being another Bledsoe loss. Sure the OL had problems, but they can't make the decisions for Bledsoe. Just what is it that you don't get?

When did this tread turn into "Let's Hang Drew Bledsoe?"?

Yeah, he's made bad decisions. So you are going to take away all the TD's he threw as well? Take the good with the bad. He's the best option we got.
Post "let's burn Bledsoe" somewhere it belong.

We all know Bledsoe is a statue. So you got to protect him.....guess what...that still means a competent OL. I see alot of people post arguements about linemen will recover from injuries, got another yr under their belts, added more wt....blah, blah....I just don't want to wager my entire season on IF'S. Got to get some insurance!! We are done with FA so only other route is the draft. Are you going to put another 6th, 7th rounder or FA into our starting lineup? Remember last yr??

 

[Funxva]

The OL didn't make Bledsoe throw to a double-covered Terry Glenn in the Seattle game, nor Champ Bailey in the Denver game or not look for Jason Witten in the Raider game or the first Commander game. That's four losses that Bledsoe was the primary culprit with poor decisions. In the second Eagle game he contributed an int by holding the ball instead of throwing to an open Jason Witten;he didn't try to throw it until a man was draped all over him and when he had no pressure on him he didn't throw it. Only the Eagles stupidity in not trying to run out the clock and Roy Williams heroics saved that one from being another Bledsoe loss. Sure the OL had problems, but they can't make the decisions for Bledsoe. Just what is it that you don't get?

Quincy,

You should be getting ready for your stint in Canada, eh?