Just don't trust Wade!

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SaltwaterServr;2864621 said:
Who woulda thunk that a coach could overcome:

3 games lost by their starting QB
Losing their first and second string LG
Losing their #1 RB and then getting him back for 23 carries in 5 games
Having your LT hurt for most of the season
Losing your #2 runningback
Losing your starting SS
Losing your #1 CB for a good set of games
Losing your all-world punter
Losing your back-up safeties on and off for games during the season

Did I miss anything? Surely Holmgren or "Insert Your Pet Cat Coach's Name Here" could have done better?

The * ever.

The hoodie in ne seemed to do pretty damn good without a qb
 

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DaBoys4Life;2865385 said:
Lol so the cowboys weren't superbowl front runners last year?

why cause the media said so?

there is no such thing as a super bowl front runner.
 

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SaltwaterServr;2864621 said:
Who woulda thunk that a coach could overcome:

3 games lost by their starting QB
Losing their first and second string LG
Losing their #1 RB and then getting him back for 23 carries in 5 games
Having your LT hurt for most of the season
Losing your #2 runningback
Losing your starting SS
Losing your #1 CB for a good set of games
Losing your all-world punter
Losing your back-up safeties on and off for games during the season

Did I miss anything? Surely Holmgren or "Insert Your Pet Cat Coach's Name Here" could have done better?

The * ever.

looks like a list of excuses.. nice work.:lmao2:
 

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ArmyCowboy;2864844 said:
Well, since training camp has begun and Wade Phillips is still the coach, what would you propose to do about this lack of trust?

Obviously, any proposition that I might have doesn't matter. Just thought that I would state my position, that's all. I'll be pulling for Wade and the team as much as the next fan. I just think that he's over his head here in Dallas.
 

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Dallas4ever;2865259 said:
Not real sure what you point is here but, are you suggesting that Wade is probably as good as any of the guys you mentioned? If so, Wow!

5th team as a HC in a short period of time........hmmm, might be a pretty good indicator that something hasn't worked.

Where do fans like us come from...... well, we live in a little place called the real world. Stop by and visit us sometime.;)

My point is that just because Phillips hasn't won a playoff game or a championship doesn't automatically mean that he never will. He has had success everywhere he has coached. he has only one losing season in a year when he was the HC for the full season and that was a 7-9 record.

Is he as great a HC as Belichick? Of course not, but he's better than more than half of the HCs in the league today. I don't mind people complaining when there were significantly better options available but when there aren't what's the point.

Do you have some superstar HC in mind to replace Wade? Holmgren? Gruden? Cowher?

When we hired Wade the only other viable choice was Norv Turner. I don't see Norv as a significantly better choice even though he is 4-3 in the playoffs.
 

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The original poster makes some good observations. Wade did a solid job of keeping the team in the hunt.

But the fact remains....

All we had to do was win one of our last two games. The last game in Texas Stadium was one we SHOULD'VE won.

We were exposed on offense and defense that game. If we win that, then the Philly game is simply an afterthought.

The Philly game was an embarrassment to the fans, players, and the entire Cowboy organization.

I think the last two games fall on Wade's shoulders.
 

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Doomsday101;2865423 said:
Dallas was a team projected to be a top contender the Pats on the other hand was a team who had been going to SB with some consistency and was bringing back the same team for the most part. Losing Brady hurt them quite a bit that 1 injury took them from competing for another ring to out of the post season.

So brady was the only one injured for the pats. Last i checked two teams went to the superbowl. The cowboys were the clear front runners in the NFC even though the giants won the year before.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2865559 said:
So brady was the only one injured for the pats. Last i checked two teams went to the superbowl. The cowboys were the clear front runners in the NFC even though the giants won the year before.

If you don't think injuries matter that is on you I know better. Nowhere did I say that gives Dallas an excuse for the way they played especially over the final 2 weeks but yes Dallas is a better team with those who we lost than what we are without them. Pats are a good team but with Brady in the lineup they are a SB proven team. I will also say there are some injuries that are easier to overcome than others depending on where the depth of your team is. Believe it or not there are many teams who are 1 key injury away from seeing their season go down the drain.
 

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Doomsday101;2865570 said:
If you don't think injuries matter that is on you I know better. Nowhere did I say that gives Dallas an excuse for the way they played especially over the final 2 weeks but yes Dallas is a better team with those who we lost than what we are without them. Pats are a good team but with Brady in the lineup they are a SB proven team. I will also say there are some injuries that are easier to overcome than others depending on where the depth of your team is. Believe it or not there are many teams who are 1 key injury away from seeing their season go down the drain.

Injuries happen and being able to overcome them is key. We dont need to be stacked at every position like at RB. But lets be realistic BJ was the best back we could find?
 

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one of the reasons belicheck is a great coach is he can overcome injuries, he is constantly praised for it, and it seems to me it's quite rare.

So perhaps that's not the standard to hold all coaches to?
 

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Quarterback Coach;2865508 said:
The hoodie in ne seemed to do pretty damn good without a qb

Sure did. So good even that he was watching the playoffs from home like Wade. :rolleyes:
 

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Switz;2865538 said:
looks like a list of excuses.. nice work.:lmao2:

Wow. Thanks for your time and security will be taking your credibility card at the front desk. You should get together with the ***** on my ignore list with the capitalization problems to discuss how a dozen injuries never hurt any team. :rolleyes:
 

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THEHEREAFTER;2864692 said:
Honestly the bottom fell out after the Pitt game. That is a game we HAD TO HAVE. for so many reasons..

1. we started to gain momentum "in december"
2. defense playing awesome
3. trying to shake December "ghosts"
4. confidence beating an excellent team on the road


The way we lost that game imo directly effected the Baltimore game which directly effected the Eagles debacle. Please don't believe Philly was 38 points better than us.

Wade didn't lose that Pitt game.


Excellent point - that Pitt loss REALLY hurt. Having said that, Wade will ALWAYS be a DC, not an HC, in my book.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2865578 said:
Injuries happen and being able to overcome them is key. We dont need to be stacked at every position like at RB. But lets be realistic BJ was the best back we could find?

Team do try and overcome injuries that does not mean injuries can not have a devastating effect on a team and make that team less likely to have success. It is great to run around thinking injuries don't matter they do and depending on where a teams depth is plays a big part in how they overcome the injury. As for BJ no doubt Dallas felt he could come in and hold down the fort if need be and as we all know that did not work out which is why Kinta is now on the team.
 

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SaltwaterServr;2864621 said:
Who woulda thunk that a coach could overcome:

3 games lost by their starting QB
Losing their first and second string LG
Losing their #1 RB and then getting him back for 23 carries in 5 games
Having your LT hurt for most of the season
Losing your #2 runningback
Losing your starting SS
Losing your #1 CB for a good set of games
Losing your all-world punter
Losing your back-up safeties on and off for games during the season

Did I miss anything? Surely Holmgren or "Insert Your Pet Cat Coach's Name Here" could have done better?

The * ever.

Sounds like a mouthful of excuses. Injuries happen.

I'm not a Wade supporter or what not. I'm a Cowboys supporter.. and I'm just sayin'...
 

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pgreptom;2866390 said:
Sounds like a mouthful of excuses. Injuries happen.

I'm not a Wade supporter or what not. I'm a Cowboys supporter.. and I'm just sayin'...

Injuries like THAT don't happen very often.

It's injuries like THAT that caused the defending NFC Championship Eagles to go 5-11 in '05.
 

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There's a coach I don't trust, but it's not Wade.

Jason Garrett not only had a poor 2008 season, but found ways to not hold himself accountable. When schemes were broken down, Garrett blamed Romo or the O-Line. When we forgot to run the ball, Garrett blamed Romo. When the passing game didn't excel, he blamed Owens.

Notice a trend?

OTOH, and you can what you want about Wade...he does hold himself accountable. When the defense struggles, he blames himself. When the team's character was questioned, he blames himself.

But it's more than just taking the blame, it's doing something about it. Wade did. Wade took over the defense and the defense greatly improved despite all of the injuries to the defensive backfield. The offense couldn't get around Kyle Kosier being injured.

While I really question whether or not Garrett will change, find ways to use all of the tailbacks and Martellus Bennett, etc. I have huge concerns about how the offense performs if a starter gets injured.




YAKUZA
 

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couchscout;2866264 said:
Anyone else think DaBoys4Life and Dallas4ever are the same person?

You sir are probably in the minority with that assumption. I guess our names are somewhat similar in meaning and we just happen to have a similar opinion on this subject. It's quite ok if you disagee, you won't get a spanking. I hope!
 

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Yakuza Rich;2866418 said:
There's a coach I don't trust, but it's not Wade.

Jason Garrett not only had a poor 2008 season, but found ways to not hold himself accountable. When schemes were broken down, Garrett blamed Romo or the O-Line. When we forgot to run the ball, Garrett blamed Romo. When the passing game didn't excel, he blamed Owens.

Notice a trend?

OTOH, and you can what you want about Wade...he does hold himself accountable. When the defense struggles, he blames himself. When the team's character was questioned, he blames himself.

But it's more than just taking the blame, it's doing something about it. Wade did. Wade took over the defense and the defense greatly improved despite all of the injuries to the defensive backfield. The offense couldn't get around Kyle Kosier being injured.

While I really question whether or not Garrett will change, find ways to use all of the tailbacks and Martellus Bennett, etc. I have huge concerns about how the offense performs if a starter gets injured.




YAKUZA

You make a legitimate point! Garrett certainly doesn't escape his share of blame in my view. Wayyyy too many times, I (and I'm sure many others) were able to predict what we were going to do before we did it. He's probably got more or at least as much as Wade has to prove this year.
 
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