Just don't want Ramsey

[Alohawg1]

Ramsey fills a much bigger need while Elliott is a luxury we can't afford at 4.

 

[casmith07]

A "celebrated" athlete.
This ain't the ACC - the quality of WR's/QB's he will encounter in the NFL far surpasses the talent he faced against his opponents in college.
People enamored with physical measurables -- what exactly about Ramsey's collegiate production/tape justifies selection at no. #4?

At least with Bosa or Elliot -- their college resume speaks for itself.
Give me a guy that either punishes the QB or stuffs the running back at the line of scrimmage (Bosa) OR a player that the touches the ball 20+ times a game and moves the chains (Elliot).

If between Bosa and Elliot - go with Bosa.

Could've said the same thing about Byron Jones coming out of Connecticut.

 

[Gaede]

Could've said the same thing about Byron Jones coming out of Connecticut.

And people did. But he was taken at the very end of the first round, not the very beginning. At that point in the draft, you take a chance on the freak athlete because there just aren't that many left

 

[jnday]

I don't want Ramsey either. His saving grace is that he seems like a nice kid with a good head on his shoulders.

But I see more talk about his measurements than his actual performance. And he doesn't provide this team with what it needs most: sacks and turnovers

He is not the best at any position , but he would fit right in with so few turnovers.

 

[CATCH17]

A "celebrated" athlete.
This ain't the ACC - the quality of WR's/QB's he will encounter in the NFL far surpasses the talent he faced against his opponents in college.
People enamored with physical measurables -- what exactly about Ramsey's collegiate production/tape justifies selection at no. #4?

At least with Bosa or Elliot -- their college resume speaks for itself.
Give me a guy that either punishes the QB or stuffs the running back at the line of scrimmage (Bosa) OR a player that the touches the ball 20+ times a game and moves the chains (Elliot).

If between Bosa and Elliot - go with Bosa.

When you speak about Resumes and production those are just other words for interceptions right because you can't watch FSUs defense without Ramsey jumping off the screen.

 

[jnday]

When you speak about Resumes and production those are just other words for interceptions right because you can't watch FSUs defense without Ramsey jumping off the screen.

Serious question , what jumps out about him? I watched s couple games and listened to the hype, but I didn't see anything special. I even watched his official highlights on YouTube and saw a bunch of hand clapping and jumping up and down. He picked up a fumble , caused a fumble and got a pick or two. That was his career highlights. Not impressed with the games I watched and his highlights was pitiful for the so called " best defensive player in the draft". Maybe it's the hand clapping that impresses Garret.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Look at how many times QBs went his way. He shut down his side of the field. Hard to get Interceptions if ball isn't coming his way. ....look at what he did when getting target

 

[kazzd58]

aye look at it like this with Byron at Safety he cover for what ever mistakes Jalen makes so in turn he can take more chances they way I see it and be aggressive if he's challenge ay Jalon vs Odell is not that bad.. but of coarse id rather have Zeke but for the betterment of the team

im cool with Ramsey and hopefully Henry cause he sholl don't get tired and still be running away from DB's in the 4th qtr like leaving them so I that's to quality player for both sides def and offense that can contribute this year so

 

[kazzd58]

Miami will jump us. If the Cowboys like Elliott, they're going to have to take him.

However, I think even if they don't, they still have the option of getting a good player and taking Derrick Henry in the second. I know the reviews on Henry are mixed, and even I have my doubts which I have outlined in previous posts. But I do think Dallas is the one place where Henry can succeed.

If he goes to Carolina he'll be a night mare imo with Cam and him on that read option and Henry seems to run away from db's consistently and run through there tackels soo he could succeed in Carolina too ijs

 

[CATCH17]

Serious question , what jumps out about him? I watched s couple games and listened to the hype, but I didn't see anything special. I even watched his official highlights on YouTube and saw a bunch of hand clapping and jumping up and down. He picked up a fumble , caused a fumble and got a pick or two. That was his career highlights. Not impressed with the games I watched and his highlights was pitiful for the so called " best defensive player in the draft". Maybe it's the hand clapping that impresses Garret.

Because of how dynamic he is.

He's big, physical, and athletic.

He can play corner, safety, and blitz off the edge at a high level.

The guy is Polamalu with cornerback skills added on.


Most receivers would struggle playing against him because of how physical he is and his athletic ability that is on par with theirs.

 

[casmith07]

And people did. But he was taken at the very end of the first round, not the very beginning. At that point in the draft, you take a chance on the freak athlete because there just aren't that many left

No you don't, it's still the first round. It's also not true that only great athletes are selected high, come on. False narrative.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Ramsey is a different player and athlete than Mo. I won't deny that Mo was appealing when he was drafted. But, he was a pure press-man corner who had long arms that he used well to jam the receiver, had enough speed and length to cover the deep ball and had good instincts and incredible hands for a corner.

That's why Mo had a fine rookie season. He was used in that capacity as that is how Ryan plays his corners. Then we moved to Kiffin/Marinelli who prefer zone play and Mo isn't a zone corner. If you can't tackle, you won't last long in zone coverage in the NFL. Mo got hurt because of his poor tackling technique and not enough upper body strength. Then he hurt his knee and it damaged his confidence.

Ramsey is built much bigger in the upper body, particularly in the shoulders and traps than Mo. He's much faster, jumps better and is an excellent tackling corner. He can play man, zone, corner and safety. Having seen him play, I don't question his hands...but you would like to see more INT's. However, they may have just not thrown his way that often.

The big thing about Ramsey is that he's far more versatile and you're not stuck trying to fit him into your system. If we start to play more man...fine. If we go to more zone...fine. And in today's NFL, you have to play plenty of both which the Cowboys don't do. Last year they were relegated to playing man or man Cover-1.

And if the corners look better than the safeties, you can move Ramsey to safety and vice versa.

I am a bit enticed at the prospect of having Jones and Ramsey at the safety spots. You would have easily the most athletic duo of safeties in the league and it would get us out of the mode of overpaying for corners and underpaying for safeties.

As far as 'building from the back, first'....today's NFL is different. We saw it last year...we got KILLED on pick plays. The ball is getting out of the QB's hands in less than 1.5 seconds. Even for all of the hoopla over Denver's pass rush, the fact is that they had a really good DB unit and some great cover LB's.

And we got killed any time a receiver caught a decent length pass in the open field because our safeties couldn't tackle.

There's nothing to say that we can't secure the DB unit, first and then in following years find a pass rusher in the first round. And chances are the pass rusher we find is nowhere near the talent that Ramsey is. I don't think Bosa is even close and I think he's a really solid player. But, compared to Ramsey it's a joke.





YR

 

[CATCH17]

Ramsey is a different player and athlete than Mo. I won't deny that Mo was appealing when he was drafted. But, he was a pure press-man corner who had long arms that he used well to jam the receiver, had enough speed and length to cover the deep ball and had good instincts and incredible hands for a corner.

That's why Mo had a fine rookie season. He was used in that capacity as that is how Ryan plays his corners. Then we moved to Kiffin/Marinelli who prefer zone play and Mo isn't a zone corner. If you can't tackle, you won't last long in zone coverage in the NFL. Mo got hurt because of his poor tackling technique and not enough upper body strength. Then he hurt his knee and it damaged his confidence.

Ramsey is built much bigger in the upper body, particularly in the shoulders and traps than Mo. He's much faster, jumps better and is an excellent tackling corner. He can play man, zone, corner and safety. Having seen him play, I don't question his hands...but you would like to see more INT's. However, they may have just not thrown his way that often.

The big thing about Ramsey is that he's far more versatile and you're not stuck trying to fit him into your system. If we start to play more man...fine. If we go to more zone...fine. And in today's NFL, you have to play plenty of both which the Cowboys don't do. Last year they were relegated to playing man or man Cover-1.

And if the corners look better than the safeties, you can move Ramsey to safety and vice versa.

I am a bit enticed at the prospect of having Jones and Ramsey at the safety spots. You would have easily the most athletic duo of safeties in the league and it would get us out of the mode of overpaying for corners and underpaying for safeties.

As far as 'building from the back, first'....today's NFL is different. We saw it last year...we got KILLED on pick plays. The ball is getting out of the QB's hands in less than 1.5 seconds. Even for all of the hoopla over Denver's pass rush, the fact is that they had a really good DB unit and some great cover LB's.

And we got killed any time a receiver caught a decent length pass in the open field because our safeties couldn't tackle.

There's nothing to say that we can't secure the DB unit, first and then in following years find a pass rusher in the first round. And chances are the pass rusher we find is nowhere near the talent that Ramsey is. I don't think Bosa is even close and I think he's a really solid player. But, compared to Ramsey it's a joke.





YR

Awesome post.


Ramsey could be our next Darren Woodson because of how dynamic he is. Probably more dynamic than Woody. He's a special talent.

 

[tyke1doe]

Ramsey is a different player and athlete than Mo. I won't deny that Mo was appealing when he was drafted. But, he was a pure press-man corner who had long arms that he used well to jam the receiver, had enough speed and length to cover the deep ball and had good instincts and incredible hands for a corner.

That's why Mo had a fine rookie season. He was used in that capacity as that is how Ryan plays his corners. Then we moved to Kiffin/Marinelli who prefer zone play and Mo isn't a zone corner. If you can't tackle, you won't last long in zone coverage in the NFL. Mo got hurt because of his poor tackling technique and not enough upper body strength. Then he hurt his knee and it damaged his confidence.

Ramsey is built much bigger in the upper body, particularly in the shoulders and traps than Mo. He's much faster, jumps better and is an excellent tackling corner. He can play man, zone, corner and safety. Having seen him play, I don't question his hands...but you would like to see more INT's. However, they may have just not thrown his way that often.

The big thing about Ramsey is that he's far more versatile and you're not stuck trying to fit him into your system. If we start to play more man...fine. If we go to more zone...fine. And in today's NFL, you have to play plenty of both which the Cowboys don't do. Last year they were relegated to playing man or man Cover-1.

And if the corners look better than the safeties, you can move Ramsey to safety and vice versa.

I am a bit enticed at the prospect of having Jones and Ramsey at the safety spots. You would have easily the most athletic duo of safeties in the league and it would get us out of the mode of overpaying for corners and underpaying for safeties.

As far as 'building from the back, first'....today's NFL is different. We saw it last year...we got KILLED on pick plays. The ball is getting out of the QB's hands in less than 1.5 seconds. Even for all of the hoopla over Denver's pass rush, the fact is that they had a really good DB unit and some great cover LB's.

And we got killed any time a receiver caught a decent length pass in the open field because our safeties couldn't tackle.

There's nothing to say that we can't secure the DB unit, first and then in following years find a pass rusher in the first round. And chances are the pass rusher we find is nowhere near the talent that Ramsey is. I don't think Bosa is even close and I think he's a really solid player. But, compared to Ramsey it's a joke.

YR

A very good post. Well written and understandable.

 

[LandryFan]

A very good post. Well written and understandable.

you could have thrown "logical" in there, too!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Awesome post.


Ramsey could be our next Darren Woodson because of how dynamic he is. Probably more dynamic than Woody. He's a special talent.

He's far, far more athletic than Woodson. Woodson was a linebacker that moved to safety and Jimmy was smart enough to have him play ST and have him practice with the corners in order to develop his coverage skills. So when he was ready to be the starter, you had a safety that could hit like a linebacker and was a quality cover guy as he developed those skills.

But in terms of athleticism, Ramsey will be one of the best athletes in the NFL right now.




YR