Just how well have the Cowboys been drafting?

Galian Beast

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I saw an article recently basically saying we should temper our expectations of this years draft picks. I disagree. I think expectations should be very high, especially how the draft fell to us (including Collins).

A couple things give me hope for this years crop. First, last year's draft was excellent. Second, I think most of the players we drafted have a role on this team. There are a couple that might struggle to make the team, but should be able to be retained on the practice squad. Nzeocha who I am higher on than most people here, I think has some interesting potential, but don't think he is likely going to make the team. I see him as a PS player like Gibson. Swaim may also be a practice squad guy, depending on whether or not we trade Hanna, who is a UFA after this year. Like many tight ends we've developed, someone will pay him out there (4 former cowboys tight ends are in the top 35 paid tight ends in the league... I guess it helps when you've drafted 3 tight ends in the second round.)

We had multiple 7th rounders, and no 6th round draft pick, but I'm confident that all our picks from 1-5 make the team, and I'm excited about the potential of our 7th round draft picks. Last year especially helps there. Will all the 7th round draft picks (we've had multiple) work out? No. But, I think getting multiple 7th rounders is the Cowboys way to get their pick of UDFAs and it seems to be working pretty well.

Last year
Ben Gardner
Will Smith
Ahmad Dixon

Ken Bishop
Terrance Mitchell

Ben Gardner basically redshirted, but is looking pretty good this year, and I think he has a great chance of making it in the final six defensive ends. Ken Bishop is still around too and has a ton of potential. Will Smith made it a year, but was cut before OTAs. Ahmad Dixon may have made it if he had his head on straight. That's pretty good for five 7th round draft picks.

I think the Cowboys similarly hit on 1-5 (though we had no 3rd round draft pick).

Zack Martin is looking like a perennial pro bowler and future hall of famer.

Demarcus Lawrence has transformed himself last year and is looking like he might beast this year.

Anthony Hitchens was a great steal, and could be a starter at linebacker this year.

Dooley is still very high on Devin Street, and compares him favorably with Terrance Williams.

In 2013, I think we also had an excellent draft, though I think we under used Gavin Escobar in the time he has been here. I've seen him play, and I think he can be a player for us. Escobar should be a significantly better blocker this year, which should allow him to leap frog Hanna completely.

Our only straight up miss from 2013 was BW Webb (we haven't had much luck with DBs, especially in lower rounds). We actually hit on 6th round draft pick DeVonte Holloman, but unfortunately he had a career ending injury...

Our 2012 draft is the real head scratcher, but I think that draft was so pegged to deliver for what Rob Ryan wanted in his scheme, that it hasn't worked out well for us now. Some bad injuries didn't help either. To play devils advocate, we still have four players out of our seven draft picks from that year on the roster and Tyrone Crawford may yet turn into a pro bowl player. I also don't think the story is written on Morris Claiborne's career and this is coming from someone who wanted Sterling Moore ahead of him on the depth chart last year (before he got hurt).
 

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May be a little OT, but Gardner is PS eligible right?

I do wonder if a team would risk a roster spot on him, or if we could sneak him on.

With the top 4 spots pretty much solidified this year, it'd be nice to have him develop some more and compete for a spot vacated by Hardy or Mincey next season.
 

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May be a little OT, but Gardner is PS eligible right?

I do wonder if a team would risk a roster spot on him, or if we could sneak him on.

With the top 4 spots pretty much solidified this year, it'd be nice to have him develop some more and compete for a spot vacated by Hardy or Mincey next season.

I think Gardner makes the 53.
 

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May be a little OT, but Gardner is PS eligible right?

I do wonder if a team would risk a roster spot on him, or if we could sneak him on.

With the top 4 spots pretty much solidified this year, it'd be nice to have him develop some more and compete for a spot vacated by Hardy or Mincey next season.

Yep Gardner is PS eligible.
 

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Galian Beast

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We've gotten nothing so far from those five 7th round picks.

That's pretty good.

Think you have to look at the 7th rounders on a different time table. I think Gardner is going to play for us this year. Bishop could too.
 

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I think the jury is still out on all of our drafts all the way from 2012. This is about the time you start to see what you have in your past drafts. But the important part is that these players are on the right path. There were some drafts like the 2009 one where you knew immediately guys couldn't play in this league. Some didn't even make it past training camp and that's unacceptable for the majority of your draft.


I think Demarcus Lawrence is a interesting case. In order for him to be worth what we gave up which was potentially two starters he has to become a game changing DE. I won't put Pro Bowler as the bar because you don't have to be a Pro Bowler in order to be a game changer. Greg Ellis wasn't a perennial Pro Bowler and neither was Dexter Coakley. But give me their consistency and i'm fine with the pick.
 

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Think you have to look at the 7th rounders on a different time table. I think Gardner is going to play for us this year. Bishop could too.

I think I'd have to wait for some actual production before I declare the sum total of those 5 picks pretty good.

But I'm not auditioning for the team's PR department.
 

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I wonder had the Cowboys knew they would get Collins on free agency they would have used that third round pick on Ajayi instead of Green.
 

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On another note, I didn't know Terrence Mitchell was a Bear. Boy do they love picking up ex-Cowboys lol. Usually in the 7th round you never really expect much from those guys let alone make the team. But something felt different about last year. For me anyway. I felt like all of those guys had roles on this team. I think it says something that those guys are still on teams except Ahmad Dixon who can be a solid special teams contributor.
 

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I know as of right now BW is penciled in as one starting corner for the Squeelers, if that means anything.
 

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I wonder had the Cowboys knew they would get Collins on free agency they would have used that third round pick on Ajayi instead of Green.

I don't think so. There are Chaz Green's in every draft. There will be a Chaz Green in next years draft around the 3rd or 4th round. So if they truly wanted Ajayi they could've selected him and possibly gotten Green later or addressed that tackle position next year.

I also think they knew they had a strong shot at Collins this offseason as well. Which is in part why they didn't draft him and probably why most teams didn't because they thought they had a decent shot at him in free agency.

I just think when it comes to all of these running backs......I truly believe the Cowboys are far more confident in their running backs than most of us are.

I believe they are really high on Williams, Dunbar and Randle. Randle has rubbed some people the wrong way and he's still on this team for a reason.
 

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On another note, I didn't know Terrence Mitchell was a Bear. Boy do they love picking up ex-Cowboys lol. Usually in the 7th round you never really expect much from those guys let alone make the team. But something felt different about last year. For me anyway. I felt like all of those guys had roles on this team. I think it says something that those guys are still on teams except Ahmad Dixon who can be a solid special teams contributor.

When a team has five 7th round picks, I expect something. Particularly a team like the Cowboys who have shown the knack for finding UDFA talent over the years. You are essentially locking up some of the top names off your UDFA list. I wouldn't expect going 0 for 5.

Right now we know we're 0 for 3. We shall see on Gardner and Bishop.
 

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When a team has five 7th round picks, I expect something. Particularly a team like the Cowboys who have shown the knack for finding UDFA talent over the years. You are essentially locking up some of the top names off your UDFA list. I wouldn't expect going 0 for 5.

Right now we know we're 0 for 3. We shall see on Gardner and Bishop.

I think that is a bit silly. First they're still on our team which says a lot. Second even top UDFAs aren't necessarily going to make the team every year.
 

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We kept Patmon over Webb, which I think generally says more about Patmon than it does about Webb.

Oh I agree but just because someone is not here should not be construed as failure, especially if they end up a starter elsewhere. That just means either scheme was not a fit or the talent here was slightly better than that players, the latter is not necessarily a bad thing.
 

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Oh I agree but just because someone is not here should not be construed as failure, especially if they end up a starter elsewhere. That just means either scheme was not a fit or the talent here was slightly better than that players, the latter is not necessarily a bad thing.

Yes, because what I call a good draft pick is someone who we cut and goes on to help another team.
 
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