Just in, roy williams gone on vacation missing OTAs

[Doomsday101]

Fair enough... but are there times you haven't? As I said, there are times where it is needed. I just don't see OTA's as those times. Training camp, the regular season, and post season are those times. I would never ever feel a fellow coworker isn't dedicated because he took an approved vacation. To me it is simply much adu about nothing.

TO doesn't always work out with the team.
Barber has been missing OTA's for contract reasons.
Romo will date another blonde celebrity come Thanksgiving.

I would say Roy taking approved vacation ranks somewhere near the bottom of the list for dedication I would like to see from a player.

Right now I don't care about the name of the player I expect 100% given to this team. Jerry has stepped up and taken care of these guys I expect them to take care of Jerry and bring a championship back to Dallas.

If these workouts did not mean anything they would not hold them they could just sit on their butts until training camp but they do hold them and thus I expect all players under contract to be there.

I don't know how else to say it, if some people feel different then all I can say is this is just a difference of opinion.

 

[BigDFan5]

I'm with you . I'd be just as upset if it was P. Crayton or B. James . I understand he's on a vacation that was cleared by the coaches , but it would be like your boss coming to you and telling you that your company would be working on a big project in a couple of months and you scheduling a vacation for that very time . You just wouldn't do it , so why should he ?

The Vacation was scheduled BEFORE the OTA's

I personally think we should be mad at the team for scheduling OTAs when they knew Roy would be on vacation

 

[dargonking999]

The Vacation was scheduled BEFORE the OTA's

I personally think we should be mad at the team for scheduling OTAs when they knew Roy would be on vacation

It's a marketing strategy by Jerry

See if they scheduled the OTA's during Roy's vacation, then it would get fans and the media to pay attention and therefore buy Newman's Jersey's because Roy is being a douchebag, and newman got a new contract

Evil ploy, but a genius one.

 

[Velvet Jones]

I understand and I am not thinking that you are forcing your oppinion on me. I get that it is a difference of oppinion and that is it.

So let em tackle this another way... what is enough dedication for you? I am certain staying at home every single evening watching game film is helpful so should no player take a vacation because each night should be spent reviewing tape? I realize it is extreme but I would have also thought that demanding a player show for a voluntary OTA would have been considered extreme as well.

 

[BigDFan5]

It's a marketing strategy by Jerry

See if they scheduled the OTA's during Roy's vacation, then it would get fans and the media to pay attention and therefore buy Newman's Jersey's because Roy is being a douchebag, and newman got a new contract

Evil ploy, but a genius one.

Dude I think you just cracked the case

 

[bbgun]

He should have waited for the OTA dates to be announced before planning his vacation. After all, he is an employee. He works around the team's schedule, not the other way around. That said, I don't see how his presence would (positively) affect how he plays in October. He is what he is, and running around in shorts won't change that.

 

[iceberg]

He should have waited for the OTA dates to be announced before planning his vacation. After all, he is an employee. He works around the team's schedule, not the other way around. That said, I don't see how his presence would (positively) affect how he plays in October. He is what he is, and running around in shorts won't change that.

but as far as i know it's not *just* roy. if this were roy and he was just going to cancun by himself or w/wife/whatever that's one thing. but if it's a planned family event where the entire family, or as much of it as can, will show up - those are damn hard to plan.

even for just little old me and my serious lack of millions it's not that easy. sure i can control my schedule, but my brother who works as a manager in a chain store had to get time off 3 months ago because of company policy.

my sister who tutors handicapped kids has to make plans to have a backup and the backup has to make their plans around backing up my sister and that's not easy to change.

my other brother is just flat hard to get ahold of at times and makes it on such very few and rare events. then i have another brother who only lives 70 miles away so it's pretty easy for him to change up his schedule.

this is all for my father who wants very much to get his kids together all at once and so very few opportunities present itself. but since we lost our mother/his wife each and every once of these opportunities is pretty special to him and face it, as 72 he doesn't have much left.

we don't either.

now i have no idea in the world if roy's situation is simular or not. far as i know none of us know. yet *we* want him to bail out and prove dedication time and time again simply because of the fact we found out he DIDN'T use every available opportunity.

he's in much better shape, so he's working out. he's changed #'s to try and focus. we know he goes in early and leaves late. yet, all that he *has* done is blown by and ignored because it wasn't enough FOR US when we have simply no stake in his life or game so our anger is cool. doesn't cost anything.

you're right dooms. we disagree. i don't think roy going along with pre-set plans to spend time with his family is such a bad thing and i also don't think it shows a lack of dedication he's trying to do this year. maybe he's been busting his hiney for a month and this time off was planned as a breather.

we make a lot of assumptions with so little info. if you want to question his dedication that's fine. i just can't see where an average fan has more insight to the dedication of roy than the coaches and owner who's actually paying this player where we can get angry because he's not doing enough.

fyi - bbgun, i replied to you but not really directing my post at you. just the overall thread. i agree where you're coming from in this.

 

[Idgit]

I'm coming late to this ho-down, but can someone explain why we can't just define what Roy should have done in this situation as 'whatever his employer wanted him to do' and assume that, if the team approved his absence it was because that's what they wanted to do? Or is it more complicated than that?

 

[Velvet Jones]

I'm coming late to this ho-down, but can someone explain why we can't just define what Roy should have done in this situation as 'whatever his employer wanted him to do' and assume that, if the team approved his absence it was because that's what they wanted to do? Or is it more complicated than that?

Psssh.. I said 'good day', sir!!

 

[iceberg]

I'm coming late to this ho-down, but can someone explain why we can't just define what Roy should have done in this situation as 'whatever his employer wanted him to do' and assume that, if the team approved his absence it was because that's what they wanted to do? Or is it more complicated than that?

because that kills the bashing.

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand and I am not thinking that you are forcing your oppinion on me. I get that it is a difference of oppinion and that is it.

So let em tackle this another way... what is enough dedication for you? I am certain staying at home every single evening watching game film is helpful so should no player take a vacation because each night should be spent reviewing tape? I realize it is extreme but I would have also thought that demanding a player show for a voluntary OTA would have been considered extreme as well.

I have never said that. From Feb to April there is ample time to take a long vacation then after the draft you will have 1 to 2 mini camps and OTA for vets that normally start taking place in May and June. Then training camp starts at the end of July. Gosh I'm not a player and yet I understand this because (here is the shocker) It happens every year so there is a lot of down time and these workouts should not come as a surprise to anyone

Now days unlike in years past players do not have jobs after the season is over as they once did because teams take care of them financially these days. This allows the player time to put in his work at the facilities during the off-season, some guys go in early get in their weight room work some go late in the day to get in some work as I said after the draft they know that other scheduled work outs will take place.

The dedication I expect is from players to make every effort to be there

 

[Vtwin]

But again, what are you doing it for?

This is not last year, with a new offensive and defensive system.

This is not a rookie who hasn't been in the NFL

This is not a FA who is moving to a new team

This is not Training Camp, or mini-camp

This is a voluntary workout in shorts and helmets.

Being here now is not going to put us any closer to a Superbowl then not being here now.

It is as simple as that

Not quite.This team is very close. There were many questions, deserved or not, last year about character and commitment. This team NEEDS it's veteran leaders to step up and show COMMITMENT and CHARACTER. Roy, as a veteran leader, knows there will be team activities this time of year and he should be setting the example. Add the controversy swirling around Roy himself and it turns into an unbelievably naive (stupid) decision to not attend. I'm quite sure he could take some of his money and somehow make it up to his family whom he should not have put in this position to begin with.He is the Bill Belicik of strong safeties.

 

[Vtwin]

I'm coming late to this ho-down, but can someone explain why we can't just define what Roy should have done in this situation as 'whatever his employer wanted him to do' and assume that, if the team approved his absence it was because that's what they wanted to do? Or is it more complicated than that?

The "team" shouldn't have "approved" his absence. If Wade did this then there may be something to the opinion that he is to soft.

 

[iceberg]

I have never said that. From Feb to April there is ample time to take a long vacation then after the draft you will have 1 to 2 mini camps and OTA for vets that normally start taking place in May and June. Then training camp starts at the end of July. Gosh I'm not a player and yet I understand this because (here is the shocker) It happens every year so there is a lot of down time and these workouts should not come as a surprise to anyone

Now days unlike in years past players do not have jobs after the season is over as they once did because teams take care of them financially these days. This allows the player time to put in his work at the facilities during the off-season, some guys go in early get in their weight room work some go late in the day to get in some work as I said after the draft they know that other scheduled work outs will take place.

The dedication I expect is from players to make every effort to be there

again - this is a "family" vacation and we don't know the details behind what the REST OF THE FAMILY could or could not do. you may want to talk about the money, but you can have the rest of mine if you can give me one more family vacation with my mom.

some things you simply cannot buy, dooms. time back with your family is one.

also, up until this "major snafu" roy was early to the weight room and late to leave. like i said, where's credit for that while we critisize this?

 

[Doomsday101]

The "team" shouldn't have "approved" his absence. If Wade did this then there may be something to the opinion that he is to soft.

He really could not say much because by league rules this is voluntary and no player can be forced or punished for missing them. It should be on the player to know what his responsibilities are to the team.

 

[iceberg]

He really could not say much because by league rules this is voluntary and no player can be forced or punished for missing them. It should be on the player to know what his responsibilities are to the team.

or if it were that important they change voluntary to mandatory and end the games people will play with the verbiage.

 

[Doomsday101]

again - this is a "family" vacation and we don't know the details behind what the REST OF THE FAMILY could or could not do. you may want to talk about the money, but you can have the rest of mine if you can give me one more family vacation with my mom.

some things you simply cannot buy, dooms. time back with your family is one.

also, up until this "major snafu" roy was early to the weight room and late to leave. like i said, where's credit for that while we critisize this?

Well that job affords his family a life style they would not have if not for the NFL. As for time with his family? Come on this is not baseball with 2 week road trips during the season they go on the road on sat play the game sun and return home.

They get ample time off during the off-season and as mentioned he could wait and plan it around the teams schedule instead of his own. These events are not surprises they know that these workouts will take place shortly after the draft.

 

[iceberg]

Well that job affords his family a life style they would not have if not for the NFL. As for time with his family? Come on this is not baseball with 2 week road trips during the season they go on the road on sat play the game sun and return home.

They get ample time off during the off-season and as mentioned he could wait and plan it around the teams schedule instead of his own. These events are not surprises they know that these workouts will take place shortly after the draft.

sure HE could. but roy has a lot of freedom the rest of his family may not have. i already posted once for our family to get july 4th weekend off, my sister has to make arrangements 2-3 months in advance. my brother works 6-7 days a week a LOT and needs to put it in way before that. *I* have a nice lifestyle but that doesn't necessarily translate to my entire family having the same freedoms.

so roy looks and says "this time is open" and they all plan it.

then the OTAs get scheduled.

roy can change his schedule, but can the rest? i dunno. then i don't pretend to think i know all the details of why it was scheduled when it was. even then it was NOT during OTAs *at the time*.

again, you say roy's not pulling his weight and showing true dedication - but what about reports of him slimming down? hitting the weight room early and staying late?

are those added into it when you say he's not being dedicated?

i just don't think we know the details around why he needed this time off and assuming, i won't go there.

i would agree if it's just roy and personal time off - move it.
when it's a family vacation, it's simply not that easy. to me.

but i respect where you're coming from and i've said my piece so i'll stop now and move onto something else.

 

[Doomsday101]

or if it were that important they change voluntary to mandatory and end the games people will play with the verbiage.

That was part of the CBA. I don't care if it mandatory or voluntary it is a team organized workout and as a part of the team I expect Roy and other players who are under contract to be there.

Gosh this is supposed to be fun to be able to play a game for a living so giving up some time for that should not be a big deal.

 

[InmanRoshi]

The hilarious thing about the "family vacation" excuse is that all of Valley Ranch will break in a few weeks and get 4-6 weeks off from mid-June to the start of training camp in July for vacations. That's when all the players and coaches and trainers take their vacations.

He just doesn't want to be a part of the team .... or reads the writing on the wall and knows he's not going to be a part of it after this year anyway, so he's just going to mail it in.