Just say "no" to Rashan Evans

[jobberone]

I don't care how productive he was at Alabama. Fact is, he played behind 1st and 2nd round DL, so he rarely had to get off blocks and could run to the ball and blitz freely. Most alarmingly, he did not run the 40 at the combine AND refused to run it at his pro day (pissing off coaches and scouts who made the trip just to see him work out). When was the last healthy first rounder that did not run the 40? Combine that with pedestrian other combine athleticism numbers (30" high jump and 9'8" long jump), and this is a guy I would not even consider in the first round... By comparison, LVE was 97th percentile SPARQ. Not saying LVE should be the pick at 19, but I could live with it. Evans at 19 would be a complete force and nowhere near the BPA.

Can't cover despite some reports. We can get LVE or Smith.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I paid close attention. He played 9 full games. He had double digit tackles in 2 of those 9 games and ZERO sacks, INTs, or fumble recoveries. You might conclude from that he is a great player worthy of a first round pick. I do not.

I haven't concluded he's great. You've concluded he sucks based off his rookie season numbers I an effort to try to make a point.

 

[conner01]

breaking









https://gallery.mailchimp.com/67b7e...-ab97-af955f94aef0/Foster_4_12_2018_Smith.pdf
ouch

admit i wanted him to land in Dallas so badly
dodged a bullet there

Foster is a player
Hard to me the stupid level of these playerz

 

[Sydla]

Lighten up, Francis. This isn't a criminal trial. Obviously, you don't agree with me. That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion. As am I.

When you back up an opinion with faulty logic on a message board, don’t be surprised that someone points out the glaring flaw in your argument.

 

[jday]

I don't care how productive he was at Alabama. Fact is, he played behind 1st and 2nd round DL, so he rarely had to get off blocks and could run to the ball and blitz freely. Most alarmingly, he did not run the 40 at the combine AND refused to run it at his pro day (pissing off coaches and scouts who made the trip just to see him work out). When was the last healthy first rounder that did not run the 40? Combine that with pedestrian other combine athleticism numbers (30" high jump and 9'8" long jump), and this is a guy I would not even consider in the first round... By comparison, LVE was 97th percentile SPARQ. Not saying LVE should be the pick at 19, but I could live with it. Evans at 19 would be a complete force and nowhere near the BPA.

Your not lying... Rashaan has red flags.

But sometimes you just gotta watch a guy play. See his athleticism with pads on. The 40 doesn't measure that.

Meanwhile, LVE excels in college because his competition can't compete with his elite athleticism. That red flag trumps Rashaan combine performance.

LVE notoriously takes poor angles using his athleticism to catch up. That ain't happening in the NFL. Rashaan explodes to the ball carrier, and seemlessly sifts through traffic.

LVE struggles to shed blocks. Being a former DE, Rashaan already has an array of pass rush moves.

LVE may have high potential. But Rashaan is already playing at a high level and he too has not hit his ceiling.

At the end of the day, I think you have to believe what yours eyes tell you over everything and from my perspective Rashaan is the much better bet at 19. I would wait until the third for LVE...just my opinion.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

When you back up an opinion with faulty logic on a message board, don’t be surprised that someone points out the glaring flaw in your argument.

Glaring flaw? You focused on one aspect of my argument: that Evans is overrated because he played behind "1st and 2nd round DL" (no, I did not move the goalpost. That was my OP). Yet, you ignored every other part of the post. Because you have no answer for it. When was the last time a healthy first round prospect refused to run a 40? You: no answer. Did he have pedestrian combine numbers for athletic tests? You: no answer. Is a guy who plays behind great DL, refuses to run the 40, and posts pedestrian combine numbers worthy of the 19th pick? You: no answer.

So if you're going to criticize an opinion on a message board, read the whole f-ing opinion. Feel free to have the last word, but I've already won.

 

[Sydla]

Glaring flaw? You focused on one aspect of my argument: that Evans is overrated because he played behind "1st and 2nd round DL" (no, I did not move the goalpost. That was my OP). Yet, you ignored every other part of the post. Because you have no answer for it. When was the last time a healthy first round prospect refused to run a 40? You: no answer. Did he have pedestrian combine numbers for athletic tests? You: no answer. Is a guy who plays behind great DL, refuses to run the 40, and posts pedestrian combine numbers worthy of the 19th pick? You: no answer.

So if you're going to criticize an opinion on a message board, read the whole f-ing opinion. Feel free to have the last word, but I've already won.

And then floated the notion that because only 3 LBs from Bama have been taken in the first round it means they are overrated despite the fact only 2 DL have been taken in the first round.

Further, if you expand it to 2 rounds do you realize in the last 8 years Alabama has had 6 LBs drafted in the first two rounds and 6 DL taken in the first two rounds?

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Your not lying... Rashaan has red flags.

But sometimes you just gotta watch a guy play. See his athleticism with pads on. The 40 doesn't measure that.

Meanwhile, LVE excels in college because his competition can't compete with his elite athleticism. That red flag trumps Rashaan combine performance.

LVE notoriously takes poor angles using his athleticism to catch up. That ain't happening in the NFL. Rashaan explodes to the ball carrier, and seemlessly sifts through traffic.

LVE struggles to shed blocks. Being a former DE, Rashaan already has an array of pass rush moves.

LVE may have high potential. But Rashaan is already playing at a high level and he too has not hit his ceiling.

At the end of the day, I think you have to believe what yours eyes tell you over everything and from my perspective Rashaan is the much better bet at 19. I would wait until the third for LVE...just my opinion.

I appreciate your opinion. I am warming to Evans. But just not at 19.

As far as LVE, LVE may struggle to shed blocks now or take some poor angles. And for that reason, he does not look as polished as Evans. But Evans is a senior and 3 year starter. I think we have seen his ceiling. IMO, the draft is about projection. And at 6'4", 256, with 97th percentile SPARQ numbers, LVE's ceiling is very high. In the first round, I am taking ceiling. I want a pro bowler. Not just a good starter. So I'd take LVE. That's just my opinion.

 

[jday]

I appreciate your opinion. I am warming to Evans. But just not at 19.

As far as LVE, LVE may struggle to shed blocks now or take some poor angles. And for that reason, he does not look as polished as Evans. But Evans is a senior and 3 year starter. I think we have seen his ceiling. IMO, the draft is about projection. And at 6'4", 256, with 97th percentile SPARQ numbers, LVE's ceiling is very high. In the first round, I am taking ceiling. I want a pro bowler. Not just a good starter. So I'd take LVE. That's just my opinion.

I used to look at those numbers too. I've moved away from that because I've been burned too many times. I've learned to obey my eyes. Look at Sean Lee. He's not fast...but he knows where he supposed to be and that typically puts him there first. Rashaan, in my opinion, is closer to Lee than LVE, in terms of instincts.

But I understand your take on it...and, your right, if LVE does learn, he could be elite.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I used to look at those numbers too. I've moved away from that because I've been burned too many times. I've learned to obey my eyes. Look at Sean Lee. He's not fast...but he knows where he supposed to be and that typically puts him there first. Rashaan, in my opinion, is closer to Lee than LVE, in terms of instincts.

But I understand your take on it...and, your right, if LVE does learn, he could be elite.

Yep. If it was say, a trade down to 28, and we took Evans, could not argue that it was value and he'd be an effective day 1 starter. And yes, LVE is a gamble. Will be a fascinating debate in draft room if both are there at 19 (and other top players are not). Recently, we have tended to take the better SPARQ athlete. But this may be the year they go with the Alabama player who is a more finished product. I would prefer not, but I'll root for him...

 

[jobberone]

Your not lying... Rashaan has red flags.

But sometimes you just gotta watch a guy play. See his athleticism with pads on. The 40 doesn't measure that.

Meanwhile, LVE excels in college because his competition can't compete with his elite athleticism. That red flag trumps Rashaan combine performance.

LVE notoriously takes poor angles using his athleticism to catch up. That ain't happening in the NFL. Rashaan explodes to the ball carrier, and seemlessly sifts through traffic.

LVE struggles to shed blocks. Being a former DE, Rashaan already has an array of pass rush moves.

LVE may have high potential. But Rashaan is already playing at a high level and he too has not hit his ceiling.

At the end of the day, I think you have to believe what yours eyes tell you over everything and from my perspective Rashaan is the much better bet at 19. I would wait until the third for LVE...just my opinion.

Rashaan is great at the LOS when he is protected by the DL and doesn't have to deal with guards/OL. He is adequate in coverage. He's not someone I want in coverage 50-60% of the time.

LVE is great around the LOS and handles OL pretty well. He is better in coverage that Rashaan. Not a huge amount but enough to matter. LVE is the perfect player for our system to play the MIKE. He's also good enough to play in SPs which we are in a tad over 1/2 the time. I think Smith is a tad better than Rashaan but not quite the player LVE is either. No one has his frame and athleticism.

I think LVE is a potential Brian Urlacher type player. I would move up to get him if I had to.