Kayvon Thibodeaux?

OK, obviously I wouldnt hate it depending on what you have to give up but the player seems to have a sense of entitlement. I feel a stronger coach with a better organizational culture would bring out the best in him.
 
I really hope this FO avoids doing something that might possibly amount to outsmarting themselves. Moving up doesn't seem like the best way to manage a draft that lacks a preponderance of elite talent. Moving down is more likely to serve them well in a draft such as this one. Of course, much depends upon the picks that have come beforehand for each and every team.

It will be difficult enough to serve all of this team's needs without wasting our valuable draft picks needlessly. This team has enough pressing needs to do well in a multitude of ways, without wasting draft picks. It's a foolish way to manage the draft, when the real need of securing capable veteran free agency talent hasn't been respected for so long. (jmho)
 
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Starting LG, DL, TE, WR > Kayvon

I get the appeal of him. But he is too inconsistent for me and seems like another Bossman [not the legal trouble] who just doesn't love football and just happens to be in the .001% of the world in NFL caliber talent.

If this team were in a position, that landing one elite DE puts them in a Super Bowl, I am all for it. But we need a few more players
 
Starting LG, DL, TE, WR > Kayvon

I get the appeal of him. But he is too inconsistent for me and seems like another Bossman [not the legal trouble] who just doesn't love football and just happens to be in the .001% of the world in NFL caliber talent.

If this team were in a position, that landing one elite DE puts them in a Super Bowl, I am all for it. But we need a few more players
Sounds more like Parsons then Bossman but ok.
 
Sounds more like Parsons then Bossman but ok.
Parsons loves football and you can tell Parsons is a student of the game and wants to get better. Hell look at his conversation with LVE about wanting to make every play. He was questioned as being immature.

It's all just a smoke screen as Kayvon will go top 5 no question. But there are multiple reports of teams being turned off by his personality and poor interviews.
 
I posted this in another thread. If this dude slides down to 10 or so I would absolutely look to move up. Getting the best defensive player in the draft two years in a row would be sweet. I might give up next years 1st to get it done.
 
Parsons loves football and you can tell Parsons is a student of the game and wants to get better. Hell look at his conversation with LVE about wanting to make every play. He was questioned as being immature.

It's all just a smoke screen as Kayvon will go top 5 no question. But there are multiple reports of teams being turned off by his personality and poor interviews.
I agree about the smoke screen. Similar to the tight end last draft.
 
Breer said the following:

“Dallas could move up—I heard at one point last week that their radar was up for Thibodeaux potentially sliding.”

https://insidethestar.com/rumor-cowboys-might-trade-up-for-de-kayvon-thibodeaux/

Thibodeaux would have to drop to about #18 in order for a 3rd round pick to be sufficient to trade up from #24.
- I don't see the Cowboys trading more than a 3rd to move up.

Thibodeaux is a player that based purely on talent and game footage, could be #1 overall.
- If Thibodeaux drops to #18, then teams have found something in his character or background that caused that to happen.
 
Trade Scenario: Cowboys trade the 24th pick and CeeDee Lamb for the 4th overall pick

WR contracts are getting out of hand. Lamb will be up for an extension after next season and the Cowboys should proactively avoid another Zeke holdout situation. The Cowboys can draft Kayvon Thibodeaux with the 4th overall pick. This trade might be better for the Jets than selling the farm for Deebo. They move down 20 spots and pick up Lamb. They have a QB on a rookie contract so they can meet Lamb's contract demands. The Cowboys then should offer their 2022 2nd round pick and their 2023 1st round pick to move back up into the 1st round to select the best WR available. These moves would allow the Cowboys to fill 2 premium positions DE and WR1 with cost effective rookie contracts.
 
You would have to trade #24, 1st round pick next year and another mid round pick.....just to move up to the early teens area. See the New Orleans trade in 2018 to move up to select Marcus Davenport.

The Saints get #14
The Saints trade their first-round pick in 2018, No. 27 overall, along with a 2018 5th round choice and their first-round pick in 2019
 
Thibodeaux would have to drop to about #18 in order for a 3rd round pick to be sufficient to trade up from #24.
- I don't see the Cowboys trading more than a 3rd to move up.

Thibodeaux is a player that based purely on talent and game footage, could be #1 overall.
- If Thibodeaux drops to #18, then teams have found something in his character or background that caused that to happen.

Don't think it's his background. His personality just rubs some the wrong way......lots of bragging, arrogant. Talks about being a billionaire one day. Read a tweet of one GM saying his arrogance wears thin real quick. Bottom line, I'm guessing many GMs/coaches are wondering if he's coachable or worth the trouble.
 
Trade Scenario: Cowboys trade the 24th pick and CeeDee Lamb for the 4th overall pick

WR contracts are getting out of hand. Lamb will be up for an extension after next season and the Cowboys should proactively avoid another Zeke holdout situation. The Cowboys can draft Kayvon Thibodeaux with the 4th overall pick. This trade might be better for the Jets than selling the farm for Deebo. They move down 20 spots and pick up Lamb. They have a QB on a rookie contract so they can meet Lamb's contract demands. The Cowboys then should offer their 2022 2nd round pick and their 2023 1st round pick to move back up into the 1st round to select the best WR available. These moves would allow the Cowboys to fill 2 premium positions DE and WR1 with cost effective rookie contracts.
Just wondering exactly who in our front office is either capable of, or interested in doing this type of wheeling and dealing.

They aren't willing to gamble on veteran players they don't have a history with.....this one could potentially take away that play it safe and rule the NFC East and stay relevant approach.
 
Highly doubt it happens but I guess this is who Jerry hinted at when he said he’d trade up


Let give you another name.........this kid has Quinn written all over him. Remember many fans/media every year calling for us to draft a safety?
I honestly think kid is the trade-up if he falls within range

Who was the big safety Quinn had at Seattle? Can't think of his name....

This is from MMQB.......

Getting back to the draft, Kyle Hamilton is as interesting as any player in the class to me. And that’s because he’s so unique. He’s 6' 4" and 220 pounds. He has two years of track record as an All-American level college player. But his disappointing 40 time (4.59) raised concerns on where, as a bigger safety, he’ll fit in the NFL. Is he a free safety? Is he a strong safety? Can he play just one spot or does he have to be all over? Those questions led to this sort of variety of takes on him from over the weekend …

• NFC assistant coach: “I was watching Sam Howell, and saw him in both his games against Notre Dame; and then I saw Ridder, and he played him twice. And they’re picking on the guy. Maybe he had bad games, I don’t know. … The thing is, he’s super smart, he’s a great kid. The intangibles are there. He’s awesome. But I don’t know where he fits. … I think he’s more of a strong safety.”

• NFC exec: “It’ll come down to how he’s used, that’ll determine the value. Because of his size and length, people want to play him in the box, but that takes away with what he’s good at. … He should be playing high, and then you can bring him down low. … And people will want to match him with tight ends, and I don’t know that he’s that guy.”

• AFC GM: “I think everyone’s overthinking it. Great kid, great size, can do it all. The way I’d think about it, you just have to make sure your coordinator has a plan. To just have him playing the post, manning center field, he’d be a wasted pick. Think of how the Chargers use Derwin James—all over the place, that’s what you have to do.”

• Another AFC GM: “It’d be good to be creative with him. You can use him at all three levels of the defense, and that’s a positive. His hips, his movement skill, they’re excellent. The play speed is good, I didn’t see issues with his play speed. … He’s just a really good player, he’s not as physical, he doesn’t have the pop Derwin James does. But he’s a consistent tackler, in space, to the perimeter, I think he can cover tight ends and he turns the ball over.”

In the end, it’ll be fascinating to see where he comes off the board. Once considered a top-five pick, I think he’ll probably go somewhere between 11 and 20. And the team that takes him? I think it’ll say something about them. As we mentioned before, Minnesota would be an interesting landing spot for him. If you’re hoping he’s James (and Hamilton doesn’t have the testing numbers James did, to be clear), then there’s some synergy there—since James now plays for a Vic Fangio disciple (Brandon Staley) and Hamilton would in Minnesota (Ed Donatell). Pittsburgh, on the other end of that range, would be cool, too.
 

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